Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @64 I do as well. People get confused when I look directly into there eyes, or at least into there face, my eyes never sit still so I can't lock ont something like that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428844/#p428844 -- Audiogames

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I use echo location to cross streets as well. My main problem is most people think I can see because I turn my head when I am tracking a car or talking to someone. Without the cane in my hand, people tend to assume I can see. URL: https

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Unless it's a street that is busy, I don't need my cane. My hands, coupled with my graite echolocation type skills works just fine. But a cane does help people know I'm blind, and find things on the ground I can't hear. URL: https

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane To start off, i have used a cane since the age of 5. I am 30 now, and I am totally blind. For those of you not wanting to advertise to the world, there is something that you are forgetting. Having a cane tells people that you might not be able to see

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I'm been using a cane for most of my life, since like kindergarden, years before I went completely blind. But sometimes I walk way too fast and that's when my cane skills get bad. Also when I am in familiar areas, I tend to not use it well either

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I lost the rest of my vision at age 11 and had to transition to a cane. Even up through college, I hated using it. Even if walking sighted guide as a teenager, I wouldn't bring my white cane with me. My grandma would tell me, "You need to bring

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane In the school for the blind I went to, the totally blind students weren't even allowed to leave uless they'd 'passed' a route. Like...I'm relatively confident about said route, and as I've already stated above, if I mess it up and end up dead, I

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Once, I forgot my cane because I was in a hurry to leave my house. Since I lived in the dorm at the school for the blind I went to, that meant I would have gone a whole week without a cane. My O instructor ripped me a new asshole when I asked

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @Je97, that's a very short-sighted approach. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428642/#p428642 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Hi, I to am embarrassed to hole the white cane, as it makes me stand out more. The fact is however I've gotten to the point where I no longer care about my personal safety, if I die I die and so be it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428599

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I would get out more, but all my friends either have jobs, have other friends they go places with, or they don't go anywhere. I rarely see the point in going somewhere if I will be alone. We don't have anything to eat for dinner or lunch a lot

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Similar thing for me in that I hadn't been able to leave the house without sighted help for a few years. It was one day I found myself down the park on a sunny day walking alone with my cane, and I thought this is fantastic to just be out walking

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I was in blind school for much less than anyone else around here, but was taught O years after in the summer tutoring course. The one that made me depend on cane was my braille translator/tutor. Then I started to like it when I discovered I could go

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Strange, a lot of the people I know who go there refuse to use canes, at least most of the time, and it doesn't seem like anyone really enforces it one way or another. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428404/#p428404 -- Audiogames

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Strange, a lot of the people I know who go there refuse to use canes, at least most of the time, and it doesn't seem like anyone really enforces it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428404/#p428404 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Actually, one of the very, very few good things that going to a school for the blind did for me was give me more confidence to use my cane. After all, everybody else was doing it, I wasn't constantly being harassed about it, so that bolstered me

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I went to school for the blind for 2 years. The best I got from it was building confidence to force my dad to adapt to me traveling.  End it wasn’t even the school that gave me any confidence, it was just me being away from him. URL: https

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I went to school for the blind for 2 years. The best I got from it was building confidence to force my dad to adapt to me traveling URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428358/#p428358 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Justmy opinion. I think blind schools are probably a big part of this problem. Your screwed over when you get out of those, uh, institutions. But that's another topic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428354/#p428354 -- Audiogames

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @46, ok, I understand what you mean now. Thanks for clarifying. I agree with you for the most part, but your first post in this topic was a bit tactless IMO. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428338/#p428338 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Ok, it's not like I have refused to use my cane for 10 years. No I have used it, it hasn't been a big deal all the time. I just haven't used it very well sometimes, and ignored my sfaety. The public image doesn't' make me fold it up and walk without

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I understand what you mean turtlepower. I'm not saying transitioning to being blind when you weren't born blind isn't hard (i wouldn't know truthfully though as i never had that), what I mean is some people never stop living off their government money

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I wasn't going to say anything about the few people throughout this topic who have been complete dicks, but now I feel I must.What, exactly, does cutting someone down who is clearly struggling accomplish? It would be different, although I still stand

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane You people need to seriously accept blindness. Deal with it, accept it. And use your god damn cane. would you rather people know your blind and kindly try to help you out? Or tell you off,  rudely but understandably, for walking into them like

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane My braille translator/tutor who took care of blind students in a sighted school I was in and was one of my biggest influence always yelled at me for not having cane ready. She always taught me the importance of cane, and 90% of the time, she was right

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I have used a cane all the way back to elementary school. Experiences have been diverse and varied, but as I grew older i have realized that I never do too bad in the streets, mainly because I can get help and this gets me places way faster than just

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I have recently been told to take my cane out with me a bit more even if I'm holding onto someone's arm, so that's what I've started doing.I don't exactly have a story, but I sort of do, so here's a bit of context.As a blind person, I really like

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I'm reminded somewhat of when I walk down the super crowded market pavement behind my university. I usually go there with my half friend, half student who's also blind, and I'm usually the one in front while she holds my elbow. It's funny how some

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I agree saying just deal with it won't help, but after 8 or so years, there's got to be a process of reevaluating strategies and moving in another direction to try and get this thing figured out. This is not baggage you want to be carrying along

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Regarding cane use, it is like everything else. Get comfortable with using it so you know when it will be safe not to use it. The cane, and/or a dog, is your best tool for safe travel. People don't often see people with canes, so when they get

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane There is still that stigmatism around the white cane and just telling someone to except it and move on isn't going to help them. It took me a while not to feel like I was alienating myself when I carried a cane. It took me many years and I dealt

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @35 on a jag is another one. "dude's been on a jag for the last week". usually more to do with full on alcoholics though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427760/#p427760 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @33 most people don't drink for days, but if you mean like drinking all weekend, or for two or more days, I guess the more formal term is binge drinking, but everyone just says bender. Something like this example: "Damn, Billy gonna be hung the

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @32, interestingly, not all canes are white. I always assumed that but they don't have to be. my x gf had a black long cane for parties to go with her dresses for example. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427746/#p427746 -- Audiogames

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Many years ago I didn't use my white cane alot when I was at some parties. I don't remember very much, what was going through my head at that time, it wasn't self-consciousness, but rather some misconception that if there are quite a lot of people

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane As someone who has recently started using the cane, I can sympathise with you when you say that it creates a public image of you as a person. It even makes you look different from others in many respects; however, the cane is a symbol and not just

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane As someone who has recently started using the cane, I can sympathise with you when you say that it creates a public image of you as a person. It even makes you look different from others in many respects; however, the cane is a symbol and not just

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane it may have been me that mentioned dogs making you more approachable. in my experience that's been the case. I used to get insults in the street from kids etc for having a cane and adults were generally patronising towards me. helpful, but talked

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Thanks for all the support. I actually had my O and M lesson toay. I didn't tell my teacher about it, but I actually used my cane and really did pay attention, and made sure I knew what my next steps were instead of just rushing into the next part

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Just five years ago I would have thought going out into the street with a white cane was unthinkable. I thought I'd get a guide dog and never have to use one. But prior to getting a dog, I had to learn to use a cane, and boy was I self-conscious

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Just five years ago I would have thought going out into the street with a white cane was unthinkable. I thought I'd get a guide dog and never have to use one. But prior to getting a dog, I had to learn to use a cane, and boy was I self-conscious

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Just five years ago I would have thought going out into the street with a white cane was unthinkable. I thought I'd get a guide dog and never have to use one. But prior to getting a dog, I had to learn to use a cane, and boy was I self-conscious

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I'm almost out of high school. I need to push through these 1 and a half months. I've heard people aren't much more mature in college, but that's freshmen. So hopefully I won't get the same idiots I do in high school. And in the community, I'm nervous

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane It's incredibly difficult to accept yourself at a time in your life when everyone is self-conscious about being different. I can empathize. When I was in public school, I used my cane grudgingly, knowing that it made me a pariah, but I didn't use

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I can’t tell if I have made improvements since posting the first topic related to this issue. Have I not improved or is today one of those bumble fuck days? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427676/#p427676 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I disagree. Anyone who is different is considered lesser by default in some fashion. It's an "us vs. them" thing. You'll get that no matter where you go.The best way to combat it is to be as safe, confident and independent as you are. The

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @24 post 7 describes how it can be negative. For blind people it isn't too negative, but look at what the public image of African Americans was like for them. For example people want to help us even when we don't need it, that's not negative

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @24 post 7 descirbes how it can be negative. For blind people it isn't too negative, but look at what the public image of African Americans was like for them. THey sturggled to bring that image down. So blind people's image is not initally very

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Hey folks. People will always apply tags in order to "Understand how it works", so, even if you build a drone to floate next to you and warn you of the area around, or a all mighty suit, a bodyguard, a guide dog, a white cane or whatever

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @21 My mind and my heart are 2 different people. Personality disorder I agree. Mental issues well yeah, personality counts, and proabaly some other minor things I haven't explored. Emotional, definitely. Socially, can't even begin to describe. But my

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @21 My mind and my heart are 2 different people. Personality disorder I agree. Mental issues well yeah, personality counts, and some other things. Emotional, definitely. Socially, can't even begin to describe. But my heart and my mind are opposites

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @21 My mind and my heart are 2 different people. Personality disorder I agree. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427647/#p427647 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane LOL when people see the white cane they only try to help you, not hate you that's because you mentioned the public image, heard of any blind terrorist who hid bombs inside of a white cane and murdered people? i didn't, unless you are a god and can't

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane LOL when people see the white cane they only try to help you, not hate you that's because you mentioned the public image, heard of any blind terrorist who hid bombs inside of a white cane and murdered people? i didn't, unless you are a god and can't

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @Zarvox.Looking back at your history, it seems to me that you have a lot of mental and or emotional issues.You have said that you wish to make people suffer because you are blind...Here is what I have gathered:You whent blind, and believed

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane h...@hadi.gsf wow I'm impressed that cars etc stopp in Persia for someone with a white cane. Over here its more as if you don't exist, though I wouldn't attribute that to the cane as to blindness generally. @Zarvox people will see your blind anyway

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I agree with Dark. The cane is a tool, so use it. It doesn't matter what most people think of you. Most people are idiots anyway. Educate people that have honest questions are are willing to treat you like a human being once they learn

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @16 Maybe it is time to tell my o and m teacher that I am embarassed to hold the white cane. Is that why I don't care about safety when traveling? Maybe it is. I hope so, because safety is extremely important, and I people's words of safety

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Off topic, I want to find out the other ways I am lying to myself. That's why I joined this forum, because I know I do these types of things. And discussions like this always get me back into shape. I remember writing the people touching blind people

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane a few things i would like to say.1. I don't know where you live but where i live everybody respects the white cane. Even if i'm  holding a friend's arm and holding my cane folded, cars will slow down and give us way to pass the streets if they spot my

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane We have to play the hand we're dealt man. That means making this blindness thing right with yourself, becoming OK with it. It's time to start heading down the road to that, and it's also time to stop trying to justify your clinging onto the last

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane and @9 lol, let's you stick to walls. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427616/#p427616 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Ok, that's more of what I was asking, would you replace it if you could. I got a little to into my imagination in post 1. I knew that there were lots of problems, and others have aded onto the list of negatives and positives. I thought the public

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I'd love a camera suit, and if one was available you can bet I'd use it. The problem is that one is not available, and wishing for one is not going to make it available any time soon, right now a cane is what you have, albeit a cane augmented

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane If you can make a camera suit that does the same things as a cane does (approximates the same types of feedback, is easily foldable and has a string loopy thinggy to put a ring of keys on), then I'll happily buy it if it's under $100. Otherwise I

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @8 good points. I already know it is too expensive  and yes I’ve thought about obstacles brushing up against the lenses, and overcrowding.  I just wanted to see if other people had the idea of replacing the cane as well, because we have been using

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane I'd love a camera suit, and if one was available you can bet I'd use it. The problem is that one is not available, and wishing for one is not going to make it available any time soon, right now a cane is what you have, albeit a cane augmented

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Well put Defender. I think it comes down to a person's level of confidence. As a kid, I fell down the stairs one too many times, and now I'm very cautious, and I'm not that confjdent in my cane skills. I con't think having a camera suit would change

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Well put Defender. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427606/#p427606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane What about the weatherproofing, what about the weight (and heat) in warm months, what about when your in a crowd of people, what about overhead obstacles. What about the battery power limitations, what about the code that's supposed to be so good your

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane What about the weatherproofing, what about the weight (and heat) in warm months, what about when your in a crowd of people, what about overhead obstacles. What about the battery power limitations, what about the code that's supposed to be so good your

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane OK, after rereading all the posts that were here, I want to add a few things.How can you be 100% sure that having a suit would create more public confidence in us? If you did wear the suit, you would still look different from the normal person

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane The issue is, in my opinnion, that cameras don't give you that tactile feedback. I don't think technology has progressed to a point where it can differentiate between the sidewalk and a street and quickly warn you about them. Even if it has

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane The cameras would detect topography, you don't think I thought of that? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427601/#p427601 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane The issche is, in my opinnion, that cameras don't give you that tactile feedback. i don't think technology has progressed to a point where it can differentiate between the sidewalk and a street and quickly warn you about them. I personally

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane Personally redfox, I always needed less help using a cane than I would without one, and since I admit I do have a bit of an issue accepting help from people and tend to want to do everything myself, that is quite a thing for me. URL: https

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Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @Zarvox you say "A small stick" I wonder what sort of cane your using. Used properly a long cane can give you a lot of information you wouldn't get otherwise, indeed without a dog it is the best way of detecting things like down steps in fr

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane sso basically your two scared to need help sometimes?Your statement about not leaving hands free is false, you only need one hand for a cane, the other one can be held out in fron t of your face.If you wanta walk around a strange area without any way

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane

Re: embarrassed to hold the white cane @Zarvox you say "A small stick" I wonder what sort of cane your using. Used properly a long cane can give you a lot of information you wouldn't get otherwise, indeed without a dog it is the best way of detecting things like down steps in fr

embarrassed to hold the white cane

embarrassed to hold the white cane I already know the type of feedback I'm going to receive. Then the question asked, so why bother? Because I don't care about my reputation on here. I've already stated several times I need to accept blindness, but this is the opposite, so reputation out