[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-27 Thread cliveb
rjplummer;150124 Wrote: As the previous discussion has said, you can attenuate 8 bits before you start degrading the sound. 8 bits is approximately 24dB. Just a slight correction: 8 bits is actually about 48dB. 1 bit is very nearly 6dB (6.0206, to four places). rjplummer;150124 Wrote:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of SB3 volume control

2006-10-27 Thread Patrick Dixon
rjplummer;150130 Wrote: Hence the suggestion that you can drop 30dB using the digital volume control without impact.Err, no. The -30db suggestion comes from the fact that the SB has been carefully designed not to drop any digital resolution until this point. Please feel free to search the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-27 Thread tomsi42
cliveb;150154 Wrote: Just a slight correction: 8 bits is actually about 48dB. 1 bit is very nearly 6dB (6.0206, to four places). Well actually decibels are defined according to the ratio of the power or amplitude in the signals. Twice the power is about 3dB, twice the amplitude is about

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-27 Thread Patrick Dixon
I think the £11 UPS charge is actually £11 + VAT - so closer to £13 than £11. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-27 Thread cliveb
tomsi42;150168 Wrote: If I remember correctly, the minimum smallest increase in sound level that people can hear is 3db. Any comments on that? 3dB is quite a big change, and very obviously noticable. I think there used to be a generally held view that 1dB was the smallest change that was

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-27 Thread tomsi42
cliveb;150185 Wrote: 3dB is quite a big change, and very obviously noticable. I think there used to be a generally held view that 1dB was the smallest change that was noticable as a loudness difference, but I'd say that was a serious underestimate. Plenty of people notice a loudness

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-27 Thread PhilNYC
tomsi42;150168 Wrote: Thanks for the enlightening post. If I remember correctly, the minimum smallest increase in sound level that people can hear is 3db. Any comments on that ? Tom An increase of 6db in sound level is approximately doubling the sound level... -- PhilNYC Sonic

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-27 Thread Phil Leigh
Interestingly, when mixing on a conventional desk, there is almost no way to alter a level by much less less than about 0.3dB - and even 0.5dB is a relatively minor tweak. A typical desk pot (not a channel fader) will have to cover about 15db over half its travel...you can imagine that there's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-27 Thread highdudgeon
That's quite true. I've experimented a lot -- a lot -- with EQ and no one who has heard one of my systems could really make out a difference of 1db at a given band. 2bd, sure. Phil Leigh;150219 Wrote: Interestingly, when mixing on a conventional desk, there is almost no way to alter a level

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-27 Thread Phil Leigh
cliveb;149996 Wrote: The client can still run on the server hardware - the critical issue here is that the client keeps a connection open to the server, does some clever caching, and avoids using something like HTML/XML/whatever as the data transfer language (which requires parsing by a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-27 Thread Phil Leigh
highdudgeon;150223 Wrote: That's quite true. I've experimented a lot -- a lot -- with EQ and no one who has heard one of my systems could really make out a difference of 1db at a given band. 2bd, sure. I'd agree, HD. You need to get 1.5-2dB on broad or narrowband eq to truly hear a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of SB3 volume control

2006-10-27 Thread rjplummer
Patrick Dixon;150167 Wrote: Err, no. The -30db suggestion comes from the fact that the SB has been carefully designed not to drop any digital resolution until this point. Careful design really doesn't have much to do with it. It's all about having 8 spare bits. I realized that I wasn't

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of SB3 volume control

2006-10-27 Thread P Floding
rjplummer;150288 Wrote: Careful design really doesn't have much to do with it. It's all about having 8 spare bits. I realized that I wasn't thinking in stereo, so 0.5dB would be 0.25dB/channel. So you could drop the volume much more before you lose bits. DACs convert numbers into

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-27 Thread highdudgeon
Funny, but I also got a message from Mr. Darling -- same business about their wonderful components, custom DBMS, etc. And, this gem: Those who want to spend the time to use iTunes and computer based solutions won't buy a 5-6k system any more than a 15k system. So we make a top-shelf system that

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RWA Modded SB3 with Paradisea DAC questions.

2006-10-27 Thread bcretty
I currently have a RWA fully modded SB3 and am about to get a MHDT Paradesia DAC. What connection should I use between SB and DAC? Any other tips when using Apple lossless files? Should I set the sound volume to 100 on the SB3 when using the Paradisa dac? Thanks. Brian -- bcretty

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of SB3 volume control

2006-10-27 Thread Patrick Dixon
rjplummer;150288 Wrote: Careful design really doesn't have much to do with it. It's all about having 8 spare bits. I realized that I wasn't thinking in stereo, so 0.5dB would be 0.25dB/channel. So you could drop the volume much more before you lose bits.I'm sorry but you are just completely

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: RWA Modded SB3 with Paradisea DAC questions.

2006-10-27 Thread tomjtx
bcretty;150317 Wrote: I currently have a RWA fully modded SB3 and am about to get a MHDT Paradesia DAC. What connection should I use between SB and DAC? Any other tips when using Apple lossless files? Should I set the sound volume to 100 on the SB3 when using the Paradisa dac? Thanks.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: RWA Modded SB3 with Paradisea DAC questions.

2006-10-27 Thread bcretty
Thanks for your help. Brian -- bcretty bcretty's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4583 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29115

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2006-10-27 Thread Jetlag
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: RWA Modded SB3 with Paradisea DAC questions.

2006-10-27 Thread stevo
Brian I would be interested to know how you go with the MHDT dac. Stevo -- stevo stevo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6250 View this thread:

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB is killing the SACD format! ;)

2006-10-27 Thread Sliztzan
Pale Blue Ego;149909 Wrote: I do like surround music, and SACDs generally sound fantastic to me. I've got about 30 SACDs and 2 SACD players, but I don't use them much. One thing I've done was create DTS FLACs from a few SACDs for playback on the SB3. You need a sound card with 6

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB is killing the SACD format! ;)

2006-10-27 Thread Sliztzan
jimmy100;149800 Wrote: Wow, this is an old thread. DSOTM I have the SACD and it's fantastic to listen to in multi channel, but how many other artists/genres lend themselves to a 5.1 mix? When the music is just instruments and vocals, the only option the sound engineer has is to make you

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB is killing the SACD format! ;)

2006-10-27 Thread Sliztzan
oreillymj;149962 Wrote: I wouldn't be so quick to write-off SACD. There are a few million players about to be bought between now and Xmas, and probably another 10 million sold next year. Yes, the PS3 can play back SACD and has optical output. Sony may be planning a last roll of the dice

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Suggestions for an up-to-date, available source for a linear PS

2006-10-27 Thread El Duderino
Thanks for the detailed reply JohnnyLightOn. Much appreciated. I have contacted Wayne at Bolder and asked a few questions about the mod. It's not the cost of the mod (which, overall, is not that bad) but I have always been pretty sceptical about audiophile tweaks. The placebo effect can be

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+DAC vs Transporter

2006-10-27 Thread Coffee
I'm a new member and I'm trying to decide whether to buy an SB3 and a DAC or a Transporter. Even with the free SB3 special, the Transporter still costs $1700. I can buy a PS Audio or Musical Fidelity DAC for about $1000. So the SB3+DAC combo is still $400 cheaper. The Transporter is no doubt a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter

2006-10-27 Thread highdudgeon
Hi, Yes, your logic is somewhat flawed. What won't change dramatically is precisely the digital side. Transports, including the SB3, will virtually all sound the same through the right kind of DAC (ie, something like the Lavry DA10 or another device that buffers and re-clocks the signal). So,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Suggestions for an up-to-date, available source for a linear PS

2006-10-27 Thread opaqueice
If you do try any blind testing, please post the results - that would be of great interest to many here. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter

2006-10-27 Thread tomjtx
I agree with HighDudgeon (with a name like that you better agree or else) I've had my Transporter for a week now and I like it better than the Lavry+SB or Lavry+TP. When comparing costs remember to factor in the cost of a cable between the SB and DAC. This can be as little as 35.00 for a glass

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Suggestions for an up-to-date, available source for a linear PS

2006-10-27 Thread tomjtx
El Duderino;150347 Wrote: Thanks for the detailed reply JohnnyLightOn. Much appreciated. I have contacted Wayne at Bolder and asked a few questions about the mod. It's not the cost of the mod (which, overall, is not that bad) but I have always been pretty sceptical about audiophile

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter

2006-10-27 Thread Coffee
Thanks for the in-depth reply, HighDudgeon, especially your comparison tests. I will certainly do some research on the Lavry and Benchmark. The cost figures are not quite right, though. For $2000 and the special offer, I can get a Transporter and an SB3. So I get 2 systems, one excellent and one

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: RWA Modded SB3 with Paradisea DAC questions.

2006-10-27 Thread TCM
Me too. But I'm really more interested in the Constantine -- TCM http://www.last.fm/user/ThisCharmingMan/ TCM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=702 View this thread: