SuperQ;200308 Wrote:
Get a new microwave, they should not leak RF like that.
I probably should. It is an old beast... BTW: I noticed the food glows
in the dark as well :)
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i am sorry not to have responded for a while. I decided to take the
discussion to a more enlightened crowd. the debate here helped to
sharpen my arguments so many thanks.
It comes down to
(1) Is DRM possible?
Yes cost effective DRM using harware Secure Cryptoprocessor /
Decompression / DAC
willyhoops;200406 Wrote:
I decided to take the discussion to a more enlightened crowd.
Couldn't you have stayed there?
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Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have
others
http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/
'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of
willyhoops;200406 Wrote:
i am sorry not to have responded for a while. I decided to take the
discussion to a more enlightened crowd.
Am I right in assuming that by 'more enlightened', you actually mean
'pro-DRM'? (Never mind, don't bother answering that).
Nevertheless, you are now at least
Andy_C,
I am with you point by point.
Let us never forget, that most of the DRM-related discussion is skewed.
Record companies defend the rights of their artists (their artists'
right to a stream of income).
But in most cases, these streams of income have been signed away by the
artists
I decided to take the discussion to a more enlightened crowd.
Who decided them to be 'more enlightened'. I probably see them as
idiots. The way you're reasoning around here suggests me that you
probably wouldn't even know people knowledgeable about the subject
enough to be called 'enlightened'.
Tags are completely unimportant to me. When I buy a CD, the music goes
straight onto my NAS, then the disc itself goes into the CD-changer in
my car, and the box (including the sleeve notes, cover art and so on)
goes on the shelf. I rarely, if ever, even look at them.
Care to try and address any
well you are still all mad but let me ask one thing... do you really all
think tags are unimportant? when i buy an opera it comes with a booklet
of all the words, a description of the recording, a few pics etc. one
of the sad things to me of digital music is the limited tags. not being
able to
ok ancy_c you are not so mad but servies clearly is.
still, i am interested in feedback from others about tags.
i think seeing album art and correct consistent tags and song words
scrolling will make a huge difference to the market for digital music.
Just the small step of seeing album art on
I wouldn't ever assume you are going to get full and complete tags off a
record company. You often don't get the full details on sleae notes as
it is. I forget which album it was, but Radiohead had something like
Lyrics reporduced with permision of the record compnay, even though we
wrote them.
funkstar... suppose for fun the record companies did a real great job of
the tags so even you were impressed ... how much would you value that?
andy_c doesn't care how good they are. suppose the record company
helped radiohead write the tags themselves and put whatever they liked
in there for
davep;200121 Wrote:
I have tried the latest Claire Martin album on the TP and get a slightly
strange burbling sound at the very beginning of playing a track, as
if the TP is sorting itself out to adjust to playing 24/96. On my
limited testing so far this appears to be only for the first
willyhoops;200423 Wrote:
ok ancy_c you are not so mad but servies clearly is.
still, i am interested in feedback from others about tags.
i think seeing album art and correct consistent tags and song words
scrolling will make a huge difference to the market for digital music.
Just the
willyhoops;200426 Wrote:
Suppose the record company helped radiohead write the tags themselves
and put whatever they liked in there for their fans...
You really didn't get what he meant... didn't you?
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servies
If I look at the entries in CDDB or freeDB ... mosttimes they consist a
lot of errors
you see even fools can contribute to a debate...
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Sure I'm bothered... it means I have to spend all of two minutes typing
in the names of the tracks when I buy a new CD.
This is totally unreasonable, of course. My time is precious. Clearly
it would be better for me to simply throw away my Squeezebox, my USB
DAC/headphone amp, CD players, PDA,
willyhoops wrote:
If I look at the entries in CDDB or freeDB ... mosttimes they consist a
lot of errors
you see even fools can contribute to a debate...
Mr. Hoops,
I don't have a particularly well-formulated view on DRM so I won't
contribute to your debate. However, I do have a little
Gentlemen,
The tug of war between consumers and music companies is quite simple
really.
Music companies (because of their excessive overheads) try to apply
downstream price-discrimination. DRM is a way to apply price
discrimination and segment the market. The problem is, the good that is
being
willyhoops;200418 Wrote:
how many people think having real rich tags would be real nice?
I already have more tags than slimserver can use. Will we be forced to
use the record companies media player's as well, if we want to view all
this extended tag info?
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Skunk
Please, Mr. Hoops, could you explain in very simple terms how your DRM
is going to be an advantage to the artists and labels who are selling
more music than ever at emusic.com zunior.com? (Artists who aren't
trying to become millionaires have more options than ever for
generating income from
nicketynick;200445 Wrote:
Please, Mr. Hoops, could you explain in very simple terms how your DRM
is going to be an advantage to the artists and labels who are selling
more music than ever at emusic.com zunior.com? (Artists who aren't
trying to become millionaires have more options than ever
willyhoops wrote:
well you are still all mad
No, we are not angry and you are still a clueless troll.
Adding $50 to the bill of material cost of a consumer product will
raise the retail price by $200 or more. Its not going to be acceptable.
And as I and other have tried to explain to you, your
willyhoops;200430 Wrote:
you see even fools can contribute to a debate...
Yup, thats why you're here.
If you didn't get my point, let me explain it to you:
These people just randomly filled in the tags, so they probably don't
have a need for extensive and complete tags.
But probably you still
matthijskoopmans;200295 Wrote:
A quick live search on the topic:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5951904.html
hope this helps... :)
However, kitchenware has been known to cause trouble of some sorts. My
wireless network bandwidth seems to disappear when the microwave is on.
[EMAIL
I applaud the patience of all who have responded to Sillyhoops
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tomjtx;200466 Wrote:
I applaud the patience of all who have responded to Sillyhoops
Yeah his abject inability to argue coherently or to respond to the
concerns of others marks him out as an troll of the highest order, but
the issue is just too close to our hearts...
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adamslim
Those are
yes adam the idea would be for everyone to get tags as rich as yours
plus much much more as well. of course just becuase you can search by
performer, composer, instrument, composed year, performed year etc etc
doesn't mean you have to. for most people they would just like the
images and notes and
willyhoops;200474 Wrote:
3. Almost everyone here thinks music should be free of copyright. Not
one person on this formum thinks anyone should be prosecuted for
copying music files they don't own. Several here also think everything
should be free of copyright from music and films to
Thanks again for the extra information - it was truly appreciated.
Tonight I'll try getting set up to start ripping my first CD's.
Hey Skunk - if you've got a Rega tonearm, and are willing to head to
Vancouver (that's the hard part), you've got a deal. I can do
incognito rewires (or Cardas
I don't think willyhoops is a troll - I think he genuinely believes in
what he's advocating, and he has actually read our responses and
adjusted his position during the thread. I think this is an issue on
which reasonable people can disagree.
In my opinion, the question of tags is rather
Willyhoops,
Some comments on your conclusions.. don't want you going away
saying we steered you wrong!
willyhoops;200474 Wrote:
p.s. i will take these deep and meaningful lessons away from this
forum...
1. DRM is impossible or impossibly expensive.
Accurate.
willyhoops;200474 Wrote:
Pat Farrell;200460 Wrote:
While you write in support of the RIAA's claim that money goes to poor
artists, which consumers think means musicians, in practice most of the
money goes to the big four record labels, and 8 cents per song goes to
the writer of the song (per ASCAP and BMI
Deaf Cat;199233 Wrote:
Hiya,
If anyone does have the above, would love to hear why you prefer which
dac.
Cheers :)
I have a SB3 feeding (coax cable ) a benchmark DAC-1 feeding
(unbalanced RCA cable) Bryston BP-25 preamp and Bryston 3B Amp in my
audio room. To be honest, I have heard
jbc;200497 Wrote:
Am I allowed to say that I still like vinyl best here? If not, then I
won't say it...Of course you can say that! You just can't go on about double
blind
testing, or tell us that everything sounds the same ...
--
Patrick Dixon
www.at-tunes.co.uk
opaqueice wrote:
If we get rid of music copyright, artists will make money from live
shows, and albums will be essentially promotions for those shows, which
the artists have control over.
You've made this assertion several times and, until now, I've resisted
the urge to challenge it.
One thought comes from this discussion, and it's been pondered
before...
I wonder if Squeezebox owners could create their own, semi-private
FreeDB system of rich, elaborate tags? I have one piece of software
(Movie Collector from www.collectorz.com) that has a user-built
database of DVD
jbc;200497 Wrote:
Am I allowed to say that I still like vinyl best here? If not, then I
won't say it...
Heh...of course you can say it. Many of my finest digital files are
sourced from vinyl. In fact, the Squeezebox has rescued all of my old
QUAD LPs. I digitized them into DTS-encoded
This scares me a bit, hope I didnt throw a lot of cash at something I
cant hear
I dont think the sound from the SB3 is particularly good in the analog
mode I use now
Another thing, I have a Tandberg TPT 3001 A, probably the best tuner
the world has seen, and I am considering selling
I'm also looking for a new system. At the moment, my mind is set on the
Cambridge 640A V2. Now, the tricky part will be choosing the right
speakers to go with it. The guy at my local high-fi shop suggested
Triangle bookshelf speakers. When I told him I wanted bass, he
suggested the Triangle
Nostromo;200559 Wrote:
I'm also looking for a new system. At the moment, my mind is set on the
Cambridge 640A V2. Now, the tricky part will be choosing the right
speakers to go with it. The guy at my local high-fi shop suggested
Triangle bookshelf speakers. When I told him I wanted bass, he
work if you weren't paid for it?
Musicians work just like the rest of us and should be paid for their
work just like the rest of us.
R.
R.
Being a musician I would strongly agree with you :-)
Very well put.
I can't tell you how many people are surprised I expect to be paid for
what I do
Yes, you can say you like vinyl best...what you can't say (and the
wording is very important here) is that vinyl is better than digital
:o)
--
Phil Leigh
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You are also allowed to say:
- Gosh I wish that was available on vinyl
- I can listen through the surface noise
- Oh dear I seem to have scratched my 180gsm uberpressing just by
taking it out of its sleeve
- Now that I have an office job, frankly I could do with the exercise
afforded by changing
What's at the beginning of the file? (Track 2 - Forget Me) Nothing
out-of-the-ordinary that I can see. First view is the beginning of the
file, showing intertrack silence, then the cymbal hit followed by the
first piano note. In the second, the vertical scale is blown up so you
can see the
willyhoops;200406 Wrote:
(1) Is DRM possible?
Yes cost effective DRM using harware Secure Cryptoprocessor /
Decompression / DAC chip with tamper-resistant properties for dedicated
harware players like squeezebox/ipod is very possible. Under $50 added
per device but with large setup
Mark Lanctot;200580 Wrote:
DRM is an aberration in the free market economy system. The only reason
it hasn't been completely abandoned yet is that it doesn't inconvenience
the -majority- of the consumers the -majority- of the time. Everyone
here knows better and is rightfully against such
One other thing: in a free market economy, a competitor who comes up
with a better business model wins. Putting aside its potential
illegality for a moment, allofmp3.com seems to have a better business
model. Even Apple with 128 kbps DRM stuff seems to have a better
business model. Certainly
Mark Lanctot;200604 Wrote:
When Little Johnny can't play his Spider-Man 3 Blu-Ray disc on his
2-year-old TV though, watch out! You'll have a consumer revolt on your
hands.
Good post Marc. On a related point, it's worth looking at the
resistance to Windows Vista - Dell are now offering XP.
Mark Lanctot;200604 Wrote:
One other thing: in a free market economy, a competitor who comes up
with a better business model wins.
Since when was the market economy free? Laws have been used
throughout history to protect industries from the natural course of
events - agricultural protectionism
cliveb;200612 Wrote:
Since when was the market economy free? Laws have been used throughout
history to protect industries from the natural course of events -
agricultural protectionism being the most widespread example. The DMCA
is simply another such law, designed this time to protect the
When I first got my SB3, I quickly found it lacking compared to my NAD
C542 CD player. It had a noise floor that was obviously higher, and it
was not as pleasant to listen to: there was a harshness that caused me
to turn it off in favor of the NAD.
I bought a CI Audio DAC, and that pulled the
Robin Bowes;200531 Wrote:
Basically, I think you are just plain wrong.
Do you also think works of literature should be copyright free? And
photographs? How about paintings/drawings, and copies or prints of the
same ?
Works of creative art (including music of all forms) are produced by
jbc;200497 Wrote:
Hey Skunk - if you've got a Rega tonearm, and are willing to head to
Vancouver (that's the hard part), you've got a deal. I can do
incognito rewires (or Cardas equivalents).
Luckily I don't have a Rega tonearm, or I'd be tempted. I have this
opaqueice;200623 Wrote:
You mentioned visual artists, like painters - do they really make money
from copyright?
They make money selling the original (often obscene amounts of money
for the hip-and-trendy), as well as on each print.
I don't know, but certainly it's not necessary. You
NAD is the greatest thing since they invented the cheese slicer.
Ok. I may not be objective.
NAD produces great performance for the price - particularly when you
purchase most of your system on eBay like I did! NAD amps are common on
eBay today (they sold a LOT of them,) tend to be marked down
I also have a CIA DAC plus their power supply. Was the modification you
are referring to recent?
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snarlydwarf;200626 Wrote:
? Of course you can copyright a painting. Just as you can copyright a
photograph.
You're right - but in the case of painting, I don't think it's the law
that's really important. Once an artist becomes famous her work has an
intrinsic value because it was created
Badwater,
The update to the VDA.2 was announced last November. Any units with a
serial number prior to DC3645 are eligible for the update, according to
what I read on AudioCircle. Modification is free excluding shipping
charges.
Mine was the first DAC that got upgraded:)
-Ron
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File types: just select the flac/InguzDSP entries. If you have more
than one player, you'll see one entry for each player in the file types
list, because of the way the transcoding is hooked in.
No other plugins required.
No, I don't think you see any change in the track details such as
opaqueice;200633 Wrote:
You're right - but in the case of painting, I don't think it's the law
that's really important. Once an artist becomes famous her work has an
intrinsic value because it was created by her - and no matter how
accurately I copy it, no one will attribute the same value
Provided that there are no audible dropouts, the verbiage in Help -
Server Network Health - Player Statistics indicates this is normal:
Squeezebox2/3 uses a large buffer. This drains to 0 at the end of each
track and then refills for the next track. You should only be concerned
if the
Ron,
Thanks for the info. My DAC is serial number DC3680.
BW
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I'm trying to make a larger point here: that copyright as a legal
concept is sometimes unnecessary because there is a very powerful set
of social norms that supercedes it and renders it irrelevant. The
example of academic plagiarism is probably the best one, but it's
hardly singular.
It
BW,
You are above the threshold, so your DAC comes with the upgrade already
installed. I hope you are enjoying your DAC with your SB3 as much as I
am enjoying mine.
-Ron
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Ron F.
*Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 - CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU
*Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A - Phase Tech
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