ralphpnj wrote:
You gentlemen have made my day. It's good to know that I'm not alone in
my search for truth in audio.
Too bad we mostly hang out in the audiophile section of a forum for a
discontinued music playing system :)
As I was reading 'this post on metal-fi'
(http://www.metal-fi.com/dynamics-the-numbers-game/) I came across 'this
link on Sound-on-Sound'
(http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep11/articles/loudness.htm). At first
read it seems a plausible explanation, but can we really all be wrong?
bakker_be wrote:
As I was reading 'this post on metal-fi'
(http://www.metal-fi.com/dynamics-the-numbers-game/) I came across 'this
link on Sound-on-Sound'
(http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep11/articles/loudness.htm). At first
read it seems a plausible explanation, but can we really all be
Julf wrote:
I think that it shows the current audiophile fixation on a single DR
measure is misguided - actually looking at clipping and hard limiting
tells us more about the quality of a mastering. Limited dynamic range is
an artistic choice, but trying to exceed the maximum amplitude when
The article starts off saying things have got worse over time according
to the traditional measure; then it says they haven't got worse if you
look at non-local loudness range (I agree); then it proposes a new
measure, that I like very much, that shows things HAVE got worse.
So what is the
Julf wrote:
Too bad we mostly hang out in the audiophile section of a forum for a
discontinued music playing system :)
LOL - good one man :-)
Boys, I'm going try doing my part going more mainstream; a couple
posts in the last 24-hours:
Steve Hoffman hardware forum:
A couple of thoughts.
First, the article points out that one's perspective on the loudness
wars issue is somewhat dependent on the type of music involved. Those
who are fans of an urban rap genre may well have an opinion on this
subject that is considerably at variance from the fellow who finds
Archimago wrote:
LOL - good one man :-)
Boys, I'm going try doing my part going more mainstream; a couple
posts in the last 24-hours:
Steve Hoffman hardware forum:
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/some-real-world-cable-tests-measurements.317312/
Audio Asylum - where the crazies
then by your definition, i am not an audiophile, since i only believe
things that i can hear (or see, feel, smell, etc.)
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netchord wrote:
then by your definition, i am not an audiophile, since i only believe
things that i can hear (or see, feel, smell, etc.)
not quite, if you believe things you can hear (see, smell, etc.)
*without* proper testing procedures to exclude potential
biases/confounding variables then
gatzou wrote:
Interesting thread...
I am a big fan of Ray Charles (I know very well his records) and I am
quite an old school ears guy (preferring old uncompressed (dynamically)
standards to modern production).
But I find this Genius love company quite well produced for a modern
prod,
garym wrote:
not quite, if you believe things you can hear (see, smell, etc.)
*without* proper testing procedures to exclude potential
biases/confounding variables then you're still an audiophile.
no, i'm a music lover. used the wine analogy earlier, but if two
different cabs taste
netchord wrote:
no, i'm a music lover. used the wine analogy earlier, but if two
different cabs taste differently, and have different noses, are you
suggesting i shouldn't believe what my senses tell me, without
subjecting the wine tasting to rigorous chemical analysis?
or, should i
netchord wrote:
no, i'm a music lover. used the wine analogy earlier, but if two
different cabs taste differently, and have different noses, are you
suggesting i shouldn't believe what my senses tell me, without
subjecting the wine tasting to rigorous chemical analysis?
or, should i
Archimago wrote:
LOL - good one man :-)
Audio Asylum - where the crazies live (along side the AudioStream
reviewer of USB cables and manufacturers); fascinating one-liners:
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=pcaudiom=123111
Oh dear! Amongst the crude insults, there is this gem:
darrell wrote:
To be clear, let's remember we're talking about the perception of
differences between FLAC and AIFF, not differences in general. These are
lossless formats, which means that the bits arriving at your DAC
(unless, as I said, something in your replay chain is broken) are the
garym wrote:
I'm hope you're wearing your flame-proof clothing. They'll attack you
like you're a crazy person at Audio Asylum. I like the Hoffman forum
*only* for reading about different albums being released, etc. (but not
for their knowledge--or lack thereof--regarding digital music.
No
darrell wrote:
Oh dear! Amongst the crude insults, there is this gem:
-Ideal cable geometry for audio use differs from driving monitors.
Expand your horizons.-
Remember, this is referring to a mains power cable! Somehow, I don't
think it is worth asking for this statement to be
Chrobrego wrote:
I don't buy the bit-perfect statement as a scientific fact. What about
the timing in this reasoning? Should we also state that a cd should
always sound the same in whatever hardware it is read only because it
contains the same bits in both situations?
The reality is
Archimago wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with this Chrobrego; what you say is
logical and plausible. Firstly, of course the same CD doesn't sound the
same in all hardware - but that has to do with different analogue output
qualities more than the underlying digital section mostly - a
Chrobrego wrote:
I don't buy the bit-perfect statement as a scientific fact. What about
the timing in this reasoning? Should we also state that a cd should
always sound the same in whatever hardware it is read only because it
contains the same bits in both situations?
The reality is
netchord wrote:
you're sure of this, that no tests exist? i know some very talented
audio engineers, not wild-eyed audiophiles, who come from decidedly
different disciplines, working with simple tube circuits, or exotic
highpowered DSP based systems, who would not agree with you.
Please ask
netchord wrote:
1. you're sure of this, that no tests exist? i know some very talented
audio engineers, not wild-eyed audiophiles, who come from decidedly
different disciplines, working with simple tube circuits, or exotic
highpowered DSP based systems, who would not agree with you.
2.
Archimago wrote:
1. Happy to look at any references like Darrell mentioned. Remember,
undocumented opinions don't really go far in these discussions so I tend
to shy away from them in these debates.
2. I'm interested in accuracy, not good sound since that implies a
judgment of experience
netchord wrote:
this is precisely my point. i do want good sound, and could give a fig
whether it's accurate in the engineering sense or not. I've spent
over 10 years performing real live classical music in major concert
halls in the UK, France, Italy, Germany, and the US. i know what
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