jkeny wrote:
What I suggest is that Archi friends don't close their mind to trying
different USB cables maybe different USB ports.\
jkeny why don't you show us how this open-minded thing is done by
opening your mind to objective tests and reliable subjective tests?
jkeny wrote:
I said any measurements that may emerge will be just another point of
argument for the objectionists (not proof) - we all know that!
It is well known that *-anything-* can be argued about, so criticizing
objective tests on the grounds that they will spur arguments is
obviously
SBGK wrote:
I changed the buffer sizes in my Touch and hear enhanced high
frequencies with smaller values and reduced high frequencies with larger
buffers, has anyone tried to measure this effect ? It should be possible
to measure frequency differences.
Why don't you run your own tests?
SBGK wrote:
thing is your understanding of physics is flawed, the theories don't
match reality. Unless you think that everyone who hears any differences
in digital playback is hearing things. Just like the global warming
theories haven't predicted the stall in global temperatures the
jkeny wrote:
What I suggest is that Archi friends don't close their mind to trying*
different USB cables* maybe different USB ports.
Very unlikely thats not how things work . If broken yes , There are old
post where Archimago measures and listen several USB cables . They dont
seem to
I changed the buffer sizes in my Touch and hear enhanced high
frequencies with smaller values and reduced high frequencies with larger
buffers, has anyone tried to measure this effect ? It should be possible
to measure frequency differences.
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rgro wrote:
I'm mostly with you guys, but wouldn't it be interesting to have a
really well-educated audiophile priest or rabbi chime in here with some
balancing thoughts on the place of faith in human societies? It's not
all just one big high-functioning computer out thereor is it?
Archimago wrote:
Well, I'm no rabbi or priest, but I do think there is a place for -faith
in one's life-. And hopefully in doing so, a better society.
However, we do have to know the limits of faith. I see faith as giving
us motivation, inspiration, drive, dreams, sense of morality and
arnyk wrote:
Why don't you run your own tests?
You should know by now that those were his thorough tests.
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arnyk wrote:
Why don't you run your own tests?
You've said the following:
real science would be trying to come up with theories to match the
evidence rather than ridiculing the evidence.
can you back those brave words up with relevant action?
there is enough anecdotal evidence from
SBGK wrote:
there is enough anecdotal evidence from people round the planet who have
changed buffer sizes in asio, wasapi, alsa to be certain that there is
an effect.
Just like there is more than enough anecdotal evidence that unicorns
exist.
The question I had was can this be measured?
I'm mostly with you guys, but wouldn't it be interesting to have a
really well-educated audiophile priest or rabbi chime in here with some
balancing thoughts on the place of faith in human societies? It's not
all just one big high-functioning computer out thereor is it?
Rg
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Hey Guido,
If you still have my personal email, could you send me a hello (for some
reason, I've lost yours). I have a few specific questions about the
Anti-Mode Core that I'd like to ask, but don't want to clutter up this
thread any further. If you don't have my email, just send your to me
Gandhi wrote:
Wouldn't selling transparent stuff for a reasonable price be a very
strange scam?
Your transparency mantra is hilarious. I'm not sure how you convinced
yourself, but I can see where it is convenient for you. Note that when
I hit play that the reproduced sound is
jh901 wrote:
Your transparency mantra is hilarious. I'm not sure how you convinced
yourself, but I can see where it is convenient for you. Note that when
I hit play that the reproduced sound is extraordinary. None of the
gear is broken or otherwise deliberately designed with flaws. What
Gandhi wrote:
Very interesting! You always link to such high quality articles. How do
you even find them?
Thanks - but they seem to find me :)
I guess I am lucky in having some interesting friends who forward/post a
wide variety of stuff - but I have to use google (or duckduckgo,
actually),
Mnyb wrote:
I've heard a lot of youtube lectures on this topic . But i have not yet
bougth the book
http://www.michaelshermer.com/the-believing-brain/
Gaawd, for a minute I thought the link pointed to a book by Michael
Fremer! But now I feel better.
Best Regards,
Gandhi
not often
Julf wrote:
'were not wired to think scientifically'
(http://eatingacademy.com/personal/wired-think-scientifically-can-done)
I wonder about one thing. We invented the scientific principle 400 years
ago. (But perhaps the chinese actually invented it much earlier? They
were really good
Julf wrote:
We are not genetically equipped to think logically or scientifically;
such thinking is a very recent tool of our species that must be learned
and, with great effort, overwritten. Furthermore, its likely that we
are programmed to identify and replicate the behavior of others,
Mnyb wrote:
Yes I frequent sceptic websites to and are an active sceptic locally.
I was at the founding meeting of the Finnish association of sceptics
back in the day, but found them a bit too fanatical. I am a supporter of
CSI (the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry), and do subscribe to the
Julf wrote:
'were not wired to think scientifically'
(http://eatingacademy.com/personal/wired-think-scientifically-can-done)
We are not genetically equipped to think logically or scientifically;
such thinking is a very recent tool of our species that must be learned
and, with great
jh901 wrote:
It makes more sense to you that any number of thousands of audiophiles
from Japan, Germany, France, UK, Canada, US, etc are brainwashed than
the far more obvious conclusion which is that you aren't interested in
understanding why the gear which I would likely buy reproduces
I've heard a lot of youtube lectures on this topic . But i have not yet
bougth the book
http://www.michaelshermer.com/the-believing-brain/
Yes I frequent sceptic websites to and are an active sceptic locally .
Quote from it:
We form our beliefs for a variety of subjective, personal,
Julf wrote:
'were not wired to think scientifically'
(http://eatingacademy.com/personal/wired-think-scientifically-can-done)
Very interesting! You always link to such high quality articles. How do
you even find them?
Best Regards,
Gandhi
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Mnyb wrote:
will[/B] believe in rubbish we are doomed to it by nature .
There is always faith and authority...
To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people - Paul
Mnyb wrote:
That you like the sound so much does not really imply that its
reproduced . I would count using vacuum tubes as flawed especially any
brand that's ever done a 300B amp like Cary, to use tube *is* to design
with flaws.
I think that what is going on with our science-hating
SBGK wrote:
there is enough anecdotal evidence from people round the planet who have
changed buffer sizes in asio, wasapi, alsa to be certain that there is
an effect.
I guess you didn't get the memo - anecdotal evidence is scientifically
speaking worthless.
Here are just a few ideas that
jh901 wrote:
Your transparency mantra is hilarious. I'm not sure how you convinced
yourself, but I can see where it is convenient for you. Note that when
I hit play that the reproduced sound is extraordinary. None of the
gear is broken or otherwise deliberately designed with flaws. What
arnyk wrote:
Exactly. The recent spate of posts from jkeny appear to be just a
trolling expedition.
The legendary troll is looking back at you in the mirror.
Your constant claim that genuine audiophiles are anti-science is
typical, meaningless rhetoric. This ploy isn't new. You may
jh901 wrote:
Your transparency mantra is hilarious.
Dismissing something this easy to prove scientifically is itself pretty
hilarious.
I've already told you about how some people have locked themselves in
logic tight boxes. It is so convenient to have an object lesson right
before us!
bonze wrote:
You should know by now that those were his thorough tests.
Ridicule is where it's at. Lord forbid Arny escape from Detroit for a
few days and listen to some actual household audiophile systems. Nah.
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jh901 wrote:
It makes more sense to you that any number of thousands of audiophiles
from Japan, Germany, France, UK, Canada, US, etc are brainwashed than
the far more obvious conclusion which is that you aren't interested in
understanding why the gear which I would likely buy reproduces
ralphpnj wrote:
So gee how is that the Egyptians managed to build those pyramids? There
is an overwhelming bias in today's world that mankind lived in the dark
ages until Steve Jobs appeared on earth to save us mere mortals (I'm
exaggerating :)). Seriously there is a strong bias in favor of
Gandhi wrote:
So according to neurocognition scientists, humans get more intelligent
by the decade, because of our environment. This curve has a name, which
I have forgotten.
The Flynn effect? Unfortunately it seems to have reversed in the 1980's,
and average IQ has actually gone down since.
Julf wrote:
The Flynn effect? Unfortunately it seems to have reversed in the 1980's,
and average IQ has actually gone down since. This could partially be
explained by the fact that natural selection isn't working any more (or
doesn't select for intelligence) in a society where we aren't
Julf wrote:
I was at the founding meeting of the Finnish association of sceptics
back in the day, but found them a bit too fanatical. I am a supporter of
CSI (the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry), and do subscribe to the
Sceptical Inquirer.
Michael Shermer is a great writer and
Wombat wrote:
Linking to CA for the proof of anything is a joke.
Agreed (but you already knew that)
SBGK wrote:
Just like the global warming theories haven't predicted the stall in
global temperatures
Another zombie lie (lies that continue to persist in spike of debunked
over and
jh901 wrote:
Ridicule is where it's at.
It would appear that ridicule is all you've got.
Lord forbid Arny escape from Detroit for a few days and listen to some
actual household audiophile systems. Nah.
If you actually had something useful to say, you'd have said it by now.
Gandhi wrote:
We actually agree. Perhaps I was unclear. I'll try again.
Science is a method that has to be learned. In general people can
actually plan things and that must be one of our few advanteges on this
harsh earth. But some individuals have always been really good at that
they are
Gandhi wrote:
We actually agree. Perhaps I was unclear. I'll try again.
Science is a method that has to be learned. But in general people can
actually think and plan things like trials and that must be one of our
few advantages on this harsh earth. (That and language. And being able
to
ralphpnj wrote:
Another zombie lie (lies that continue to persist in spike of debunked
over and over and over)
https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/pause-in-warming-debunked
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-pause-in-global-warming/
Gandhi wrote:
Ouch. I didn't even notice the climate myths. But in retrospect I
understand that I did just that, but on a subconscious level and would
actually have propagated that opinion, had anyone asked me today. My
mind was on audio, or at least I thought so.
Obviously very
The decline of IQ? I like this case study ;)
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8
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Wombat wrote:
The decline of IQ? I like this case study ;)
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=U8rhIZJAdd0
The link does not appear to work, at least not for me - Windows
7/Firefox. Please check the link. Thanks!
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arnyk wrote:
It would appear that ridicule is all you've got.
If you actually had something useful to say, you'd have said it by now.
now now, play nicely. you don't want to be remembered as a bitter old
man.
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SBGK wrote:
now now, play nicely. you don't want to be remembered as a bitter old
man.
Oh dear, another that runs out of anything useful to say, so resorts to
personal insults.
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Julf wrote:
Actually it seems that that has been articulated, by Florence Ambrose,
as Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't
understand it.
There is also Grey's law - Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is
indistinguishable from malice and Morgan's Maxim
ralphpnj wrote:
The link does not appear to work, at least not for me - Windows
7/Firefox. Please check the link. Thanks!
I don't quite follow. They both link to Batman v Superman: Dawn of
Justice. Fits the bill. :-)
Best Regards,
Gandhi
not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|*
ralphpnj wrote:
The link does not appear to work, at least not for me - Windows
7/Firefox. Please check the link. Thanks!
I am at my tablet with Firefox. Must be the m. in the link, sorry.
http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8
http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=U8rhIZJAdd0
Do these work?
Julf wrote:
The Flynn effect? Unfortunately it seems to have reversed in the 1980's,
and average IQ has actually gone down since. This could partially be
explained by the fact that natural selection isn't working any more (or
doesn't select for intelligence) in a society where we aren't
Wombat wrote:
I am at my tablet with Firefox. Must be the m. in the link, sorry.
http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8
http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=U8rhIZJAdd0
Do these work?
Skip the '#/' in both links.
Best Regards,
Gandhi
not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|*
Archimago wrote:
Yup. That's my belief as well...
It's basically a 1-port hub with better electronics, less noise, and
better/cleaner power supply. So long as the USB port provides data
errorlessly and adequately to the Regen, it should be fine.
If the Regen works well to clean the
Mnyb wrote:
So some DAC's makes every input sound the same seems like problem solved
to me ?
Yes problem would be solved if those DACs make every input shine, then
job is done. But if instead they reduce every input to a mediocre level,
for example, then it's not problem solved, is it? I'm not
rgro wrote:
Forgive me if I don't understand what the REGEN does, but as far as I do
understand, differences in the USB ports may not matter as the REGEN
takes the USB signal, does some kind or other type of processing and
then regenerates a brand new, cleaned up signal of its own making to
Archimago wrote:
Yup. That's my belief as well...
It's basically a 1-port hub with better electronics, less noise, and
better/cleaner power supply. So long as the USB port provides data
errorlessly and adequately to the Regen, it should be fine.
If the Regen works well to clean the
jkeny wrote:
Right but I'm saying that if, at the end of the day, all we have is
consistently positive sighted listening, flawed blind test nulls no
difference in measurements - I would be dissappointed to hear people
maintain that two out of three results show no difference therefore
jkeny wrote:
Ah, if only life were that black white - the Regen does what you say
but it isn't the perfect solution - the upstream USB signal still has an
influence on the final audio outcome. Consider the Regen like a filter
that has 90% effectiveness -what is fed into the filter still has
Julf wrote:
Yes, I am sure you would be disappointed, but positive results in a
sighted test only tell you that there *might* be differences, not that
there actually are. I am sure you are familiar with the large number of
cases where people have heard differences in sighted listening, only
jkeny wrote:
Don't be such an idiot!
Sorry I spoiled your little game. :(
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Greg Erskine wrote:
Are all USB ports on all PCs identical?
Not hardly. For openers there are three different general kinds of USB
port named USB, USB-2, and USB-3. They vary most strongly in terms of
maximum speed. Beyond that, there are many different implementations of
each kind of
kidstypike wrote:
The Regen works but you need a special DAC, USB port and USB cable, what
utter bollocks ...
If you read the literature provided by the vendor of the device,
specifically his Blog, you may well get that impression.
Remember, we are in the land of audio woo-woo and
jh901 wrote:
Will your CD player and line-stage pre amp sound the same as mine if
swapped into your system?
I have no idea. Given that you seem to be a anti-science golden ear, it
is possible that your audio system is technically speaking, sheerest
junk.
And if yours are swapped into
arnyk wrote:
If you read the literature provided by the vendor of the device,
specifically his Blog, you may well get that impression.
Remember, we are in the land of audio woo-woo and potentially
*-everything -*matters. You can't rely on Science to determine what
matters more or less
jkeny wrote:
Ah, if only life were that black white - the Regen does what you say
but it isn't the perfect solution - the upstream USB signal still has an
influence on the final audio outcome. Consider the Regen like a filter
that has 90% effectiveness -what is fed into the filter still has
jkeny wrote:
Yeh, right - your revisionism doesn't work. Let me just re-quote what
you posted just a short while ago - the cynicism in your post is plain
to see:
Indeed. Most quality stuff these days is completely transparent, unless
broken by design or otherwise. Speakers excluded.
jkeny wrote:
There are many reasons why blind tests don't work I'm not a fan of
home-administered blind testing - you have stated you are of the same
opinion. By large I think they are worthless because there are so many
factors that negatively influence the results so that a null result
Archimago wrote:
jkeny,
Now that we know your company, and can appreciate your experience as a
designer and manufacturer of many years, we also can now appreciate the
depth and breadth of your experience in objective testing.
Interestingly enough, jkeny asked us to examine some of his
jkeny wrote:
Don't be such an idiot - nobody said that
What was said is that it may well reveal how these elements influence
the sound - nothing about it not working
If you understand anything about audio you would know that the more
revealing your system becomes the more it reveals these
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