haunyack;192854 Wrote:
Sounds reasonable.
What about the crossover effect?
Does it present different path characteristics for the 2X2 cable
connection?
If you draw a little schematic circuit diagram you'll see that the
bi-wired configuration is identical to the single-wired if the wires
opaqueice;192977 Wrote:
If you draw a little schematic circuit diagram you'll see that the
bi-wired configuration is identical to the single-wired if the wires
are ideal, but if you replace them with (very small) resistors to model
the fact that they aren't perfect, there is a slight
Ben Diss;192997 Wrote:
That's an interesting thought. Since I'm biwired I should be able to
connect a bridge between the high and low side at the speaker and
listen for a difference in sound. If biwiring makes a difference I
should hear it, right?
-Ben
One interesting thing to try when
Ben Diss;192997 Wrote:
That's an interesting thought. Since I'm biwired I should be able to
connect a bridge between the high and low side at the speaker and
listen for a difference in sound. If biwiring makes a difference I
should hear it, right?
-Ben
Ideally you would disconnect one
Excellent. So I'll:
1. Use a test tone and measure SPL. Then try:
a. jump neg side
b. jump both neg and pos
c. disconnect one side of bi-wire and leave jumpers attached.
2. Listen to various test tracks under my normal conditions and three
stated above.
I'll report sometime over the
Deaf Cat;192684 Wrote:
Makes sense :)
To replace the jumpers that you did not choose, with the speaker cable
you did choose.
Cheers
Not to labour the point, but doesn't that suppose that the speaker
manufacturer made the wrong choice for the jumper specification, and
that you know better
truckfighters;192344 Wrote:
I still run single-wiring from the amp to the speakers.
But what I changed was the original BW cable bridge on the speaker's
bi-wiring terminal and replaced it with short parts of my 10 mm2 redgum
speaker cable (without connectors).
the overall sound really
Its just personal choice, little tweek here, little tweek there...Chill
:-)
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Deaf Cat;192724 Wrote:
Its just personal choice
That's fair enough. Personally I'm rather glad that my hearing isn't
good enough to tell what my bi-wiring jumpers are made of - my pockets
aren't deep enough!
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chill;192727 Wrote:
That's fair enough. Personally I'm rather glad that my hearing isn't
good enough to tell what my bi-wiring jumpers are made of - my pockets
aren't deep enough!
You should probably get that checked out - hearing loss so severe you
can't even distinguish silver from copper
chill;192687 Wrote:
Not to labour the point, but doesn't that suppose that the speaker
manufacturer made the wrong choice for the jumper specification, and
that you know better than they do? Why on earth would you buy speakers
from people who can't design an adequate jumper? What else have
The speaker's internal crossover presents different electrical
characteristics to each cable so that one cable carries the signal
going to the woofers while the other cable carries the signal to the
midrange and tweeter.
Does this imply that the amp sees 2 different loads ?
Or that the cables
It should see two difference loads, but I cant see why this should
matter if you use single binding posts that go into two cables in the
amp end.
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Anne;192774 Wrote:
...I cant see why this should matter if you use single binding posts
that go into two cables in the amp end.
Exactly right - it doesn't. The amp sees one load, but that load will
be very slightly different if it is bi-wired (because speaker wires
aren't perfect).
I
opaqueice;192778 Wrote:
Exactly right - it doesn't. The amp sees one load, but that load will
be very slightly different if it is bi-wired (because speaker wires
aren't quite perfect).
I think it's fair to say that if you believe different speaker cables
sound different, you should also
PS: by the way, is it really good to have the LS cable be liftet off
ground for some inches ? why is that?
Keeps the cockroaches from interfering with the spacial arbitration
layer.
.
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truckfighters;192417 Wrote:
hey no such creatures here in germany. why would I do it then :)
Some claim static differential from synthetic fibers in the carpet
would induce emi.
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hey no such creatures here in germany. why would I do it then :)
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RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | BW Nautilus 802 D |
Live musicians at the end of my room!
well I have a wooden floor. no problem then?
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truckfighters;192441 Wrote:
well I have a wooden floor. no problem then?
wooden floors are better for smashing cockroaches, especially the
german kind , which are invisible.
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empty99;192364 Wrote:
imagination ;^)!
Actually, I bi wired because I got 2 stereo amps, each L/R powers
HI/LOW on speaker terminals.
SB3MF A3.24Alps pot2 Nak PA7sBW 802NNice!
This is bi-amping, not bi-wiring...
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Ben Diss;192373 Wrote:
I run my speakers bi-wired too. When I went shopping for my Carol power
cable to make my speaker cables, I found a deal on 4 wire 12 gauge at
the local Lowes. I have long runs to my speakers so exotics where out
and sharing the load between two wires made sense.
I
PhilNYC;192455 Wrote:
This is bi-amping, not bi-wiring...
all else is really up to the ears of the beer holders ;^)))
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This article is the one I believe regarding bi-wiring:
http://www.sonicdesign.se/biwire.html
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I run cheap biwire cables. My Martin Logans AeonI didnt come with plates
between the terminals
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Anne wrote:
I run cheap biwire cables. My Martin Logans AeonI didnt come with plates
between the terminals
I have to say that I never understood any reason why biwiring would have
any impact, assuming that you start with at least 18 awg speaker wire.
I can almost understand how bi-amping
Pat
When everyone has bought enough of their expensive cable, how are the
poor cable manufacturers going to continue make a living, if not by
convincing everyone to buy a double run? I predict triple wiring will
be the next big thing. Call me a cynic if you like.
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truckfighters;192344 Wrote:
In case you didn't try this so far - was a quite big improvement in my
system! ...
I still run single-wiring from the amp to the speakers.
But what I changed was the original BW cable bridge on the speaker's
bi-wiring terminal and replaced it with short parts of
What I find difficult to grasp is why, if the speaker manufacterers went
to such lengths to design and build the speaker in the first place, they
would underspecify the external bridge. Doesn't that make you suspect
that you have to tear the speaker apart and replace all their wiring,
since they
chill wrote:
What I find difficult to grasp is why, if the speaker manufacterers went
to such lengths to design and build the speaker in the first place, they
would underspecify the external bridge.
Isn't it more likely that the short length of bridging material is at
least up to the task?
Pat Farrell;192591 Wrote:
Anne wrote:[color=blue]
I can almost understand how bi-amping would work, altho that seems to
me
to indicate that the amp(s) leave something to be desired.
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Pat Farrell;192611 Wrote:
chill wrote:[color=blue]
I strongly believe that any one inch long bridge is going to be
'sufficient'
Strongly agree. I have speakers (4 Ohm) that allow for resistor to be
put in series with the tweeters after the crossover. Did some
experimenting with various
slimkid;192641 Wrote:
Strongly agree. I have speakers (4 Ohm) that allow for resistor to be
put in series with the tweeters after the crossover. Did some
experimenting with various resistors, and I think I can begin to tell
the difference at about 0.8 Ohms, and being pretty sure at 1.2 Ohms.
SuperQ wrote:
The only thing that I can see affecting the resistance of the bridges
used by many speakers is they tend to be steel and chrome plated to
look nice. I suppose it's worth testing the factory bridge with an Ohm
meter. It even might be worth testing with the bridge clip in place.
In case you didn't try this so far - was a quite big improvement in my
system!
Testsystem: Transporter - Redgum Amp - BW N 802D
I still run single-wiring from the amp to the speakers.
But what I changed was the original BW cable bridge on the speaker's
bi-wiring terminal and replaced it with
truckfighters;192344 Wrote:
In case you didn't try this so far - was a quite big improvement in my
system!
Testsystem: Transporter - Redgum Amp - BW N 802D
I still run single-wiring from the amp to the speakers.
But what I changed was the original BW cable bridge on the speaker's
imagination ;^)!
Actually, I bi wired because I got 2 stereo amps, each L/R powers
HI/LOW on speaker terminals.
SB3MF A3.24Alps pot2 Nak PA7sBW 802NNice!
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empty99
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I run my speakers bi-wired too. When I went shopping for my Carol power
cable to make my speaker cables, I found a deal on 4 wire 12 gauge at
the local Lowes. I have long runs to my speakers so exotics where out
and sharing the load between two wires made sense.
--
Ben Diss
'SB3'
yo the thread isn't exactly about bi-wiring :)
was just saying if you run single wire and have bi-wiring terminals on
the speakers rear' - be sure to use the same loudspeaker cable for the
bi-wiring terminal bridge.
throw away whatever the LS manufacturer puts on them...
now I want to hear if
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