Phil Leigh;177990 Wrote:
Yeah - same basic idea...but you can't beat having an ACTUAL grand piano
playing :0)
Very very true!
...but The Grand is pretty cool nonetheless :)
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opaqueice;177639 Wrote:
Well, one can only take that attitude so far and still be considered an
audiophile! After all, in the 1920's people danced
to music played over victrolas and primitive (by our standards) radios,
but very few are satisfied with that sound quality now. So let's ask
opaqueice;177896 Wrote:
Yeah, the player piano is the gold standard of musical reproduction! Do
they really cost that much?
Oh, I would say the Player Piano is simple compared to the Wurlitzer
Military Band Organ in a carousel.
Or the home version:
snarlydwarf;177898 Wrote:
Oh, I would say the Player Piano is simple compared to the Wurlitzer
Military Band Organ in a carousel.
Or the home version:
http://www.debencemusicworld.com/MilitaryBand.htm
Looks better than some systems I've heard...but WAF still is way too
low...
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Phil Leigh;177909 Wrote:
Not the old mechanical ones - but Yamaha made an electronic one - I
think Elton John (!) has one - you can record on it and it plays it
back exactly...
Midi + SteinBerg's The Grand will do this :)
Just get (an alive) Glenn Gould over for the evening and you're
Codmate;177952 Wrote:
Midi + SteinBerg's The Grand will do this :)
Just get (an alive) Glenn Gould over for the evening and you're sorted!
Yeah - same basic idea...but you can't beat having an ACTUAL grand
piano playing :0)
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Phil Leigh;177990 Wrote:
Yeah - same basic idea...but you can't beat having an ACTUAL grand piano
playing :0)
Didn't Boesendorfer at some point make one of their pianos that would
very accurately record how you played it, and then play itself back
that way?
If I remember correctly, the thing
Thats true. I have a Telarc disc 'A Window In Time- Rachmaninoff
performs his solo piano works'. They transcribed piano rolls created by
Rachmaninoff himself for use on the Bosendorfer 290SE Reproducing Piano.
One of my favorite solo piano discs. Very well recorded although there
is a bit of low
Skunk;177347 Wrote:
Defining 'sufficiently clear' is the hard part.
Yes, of course. That is a matter of personal
preference/hearing/belief/etc and will be different for everyone.
Considering myself an objectivist I see much of the common practice in
the audiophile community as nonsensical and
P Floding;177450 Wrote:
An objectivist who says that it will be different for everyone! ;-)
Better read up on the definition of that word..
I said that the importance one will give to a certain effect will vary.
Besides that even objectivists won't claim that everyones hearing is the
same.
No
Don't let this thread get hijacked into a subjectivist-objectivist DBX
argument too. The irony would kill me!
Adam
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Well, I started this thread partly to get us off that moronic other
thread about gagging anyone that mentions BT. And testing methods
really are off topic for this discussion - I didn't ask how we would
know when we had achieved our goal, but rather what is the goal?
I think it's far from
opaqueice;177526 Wrote:
A lot of this depends on how the ear and brain do their direction
sensing - is it bassed on phase (unlikely), that the ear isn't a point
absorber and is sensitive to the direction of the sound(?), or simply
relative loudness and frequency content in each ear? If it's
what about the idea that we also hear via bone conduction as well?
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PhilNYC;177624 Wrote:
what about the idea that we also hear via bone conduction as well?
doh! Yes, of course, very true. (It's the reason why our own voice
sounds different on tape than it does in our head.)
Which would be very, very tricky to replicate with speakers. It's easy
enough for
This has been a highly entertaining thread. Anyone who has stood on
stage with 200watts of Marshall (or whatever) through 8 12 speakers is
going to realise that we are nowhere near being able to create that
exact kind of headrush through a recording domestic (or studio)
reproduction
Phil Leigh;177637 Wrote:
This has been a highly entertaining thread. Anyone who has stood on
stage with 200watts of Marshall (or whatever) through 8 12 speakers is
going to realise that we are nowhere near being able to create that
exact kind of headrush through a recording domestic (or
One thing that I'd like to see change is the insistence on
close-mic'ing, and reproducing the sound accurately as it's heard
inches from the source of the sound.
Especially on newer recordings, I've noticed an awful lot where you
can, e.g., hear the spit rolling around in the mouth of a
totoro;177650 Wrote:
One thing that I'd like to see change is the insistence on
close-mic'ing, and reproducing the sound accurately as it's heard
inches from the source of the sound.
Especially on newer recordings, I've noticed an awful lot where you
can, e.g., hear the spit rolling
No. I have not done it yet. I need a little bit of a breather after
buying the Orions, the amps, some better grill covers. I have done the
LM4652 opamp upgrade. That was nice. I am not sure my room will
benefit from the Orion+ upgrade because my speakers basically sit in
front of two
Phil Leigh;177637 Wrote:
This has been a highly entertaining thread. Anyone who has stood on
stage with 200watts of Marshall (or whatever) through 8 12 speakers is
going to realise that we are nowhere near being able to create that
exact kind of headrush through a recording domestic (or
Take a look at Linkwitzlabs Orions - pretty amazing speakers. The can
be built as a kit or turnkey from the provider WoodArtistry.
http://www.linkwitzlab.com/
I have them and could not be happier.
-MA
regalma1 wrote:
I meant to say I am looking for speakers that can play all types of
music,
Very interesting responses - thanks, all.
Several people said they want to hear the music as intended by the
engineer. I guess I meant the question more generally: suppose you
were making the recording as well as listening - what would be your
goal? And for electronic music things are
Personally I want the most transparent representation of what is on the
medium I am listening to as is practical.
It's not really possible to hear 'what the engineer intended' as the
engineer is mixing/mastering for multiple systems, if he's worth his
salt.
Many studios I've been in have
opaqueice;177167 Wrote:
Adam, maybe what you need is perfect video reproduction as well, to
create the illusion you're looking through an aperature into the
concert hall.
Not really - to get close to the actual performance it would have to be
far too loud and broad frequency range - my
opaqueice;177167 Wrote:
Several people said they want to hear the music as intended by the
engineer. I guess I meant the question more generally: suppose you
were making the recording as well as listening - what would be your
goal? And for electronic music things are different, so let
I'd formulate it like this:
Music is essentially a transmission of ideas, and as long as these
ideas get past in a sufficiently clear way, that is all that matters.
That's the reason why people can enjoy even very old and bad recordings
(for todays standards), or vinyl, or bad MP3s, or that we
I thought these comments from another thread were pretty interesting:
adamslim Wrote:
I agree, but am slightly amused that you immediately come up with the
issue of flat frequency responce in-room. I think that this is also
pretty meaningless - the best sounds that I have heard have all
For me, I would like to hear the music as the musicians and/or engineer
intended it to be heard. Not necessarily a live music sound. I guess I
want to feel like my equipment is doing as little as possible to adulterate
the original intent.
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I
Mitch Harding;176934 Wrote:
For me, I would like to hear the music as the musicians and/or engineer
intended it to be heard. Not necessarily a live music sound. I
guess I
want to feel like my equipment is doing as little as possible to
adulterate
the original intent.
I agree that the
I like the idea of it reproducing what the engineer intended as the base
point for my system. That way every recording is treated the same. THEN
if I want to play with it I can.
If you start with a system that colors everything some recordings are
going to sound great and others lousy. I have
regalma1;176972 Wrote:
If you start with a system that colors everything some recordings are
going to sound great and others lousy. I have heard too many
audiophile speakers that have exactly this problem.
I've always thought the opposite, that a revealing system will make
some recordings
What makes a speaker musical and what makes one a great sound
reproducer?
Some speakers seem to sound great and handle every recording with ease,
others sound great with good recordings and mangle poor recordings.
Which is the truer reproducer, or are neither of them?
I'm looking for the
regalma1;176985 Wrote:
What makes a speaker musical and what makes one a great sound
reproducer?
Some speakers seem to sound great and handle every recording with ease,
others sound great with good recordings and mangle poor recordings.
Which is the truer reproducer, or are neither of
Opaquiece,
I would go for #1. I would like for my system to simulate the
experience I would have in the concert hall if the engineer was savy
enough to record it this way.
Of course it will be a miniature concert hall since my room is not
the size of a recital hall :-)
I want to hear the general
tomjtx;177033 Wrote:
I would go for #1. I would like for my system to simulate the experience
I would have in the concert hall if the engineer was savy enough to
record it this way.
Of course it will be a miniature concert hall since my room is not
the size of a recital hall :-)
I want to
I meant to say I am looking for speakers that can play all types of
music, and that don't mangle bad recordings, and have lots of dynamic
range. No WAF for me. And the dogs don't seem to care, except when
there is a dog barking on the soundtrack. Then it can get interesting.
Might be a good test
regalma1;177076 Wrote:
And the dogs don't seem to care, except when there is a dog barking on
the soundtrack. Then it can get interesting. Might be a good test of
system fidelity - can you fool a dog into attacking your speaker?
I can see my cat often looking up and taking a closer look
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