!) No complaints about the sound, I've
stopped worrying about that end of the system.
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your desire for a new DAC. I hope you find what you're looking
for!
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24/48
On the other hand, EVERYTHING sounds better on the Touch anyway...
Unless you've got a... - yeah we know Darren. Benchmark
blah-blah-blah. Enough already.
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as a thought-provoking
point of view and nothing more...!
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affordable
compared to many high end digital players, so many people could try
them if they're curious.
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about music signals that are always changing in
amplitude and frequency?
Terry
You are right, the examples tend to use a steady tone.
You say that dithering doesn't work for constantly changing signals.
Why do you say that?
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as
frequencies then that signal does contain enough cyclical information
to benefit from dither. A signal beyond the help of randomized noise
would itself sound like noise, I think.
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. Each of these perceived frequencies will have a loudness
yes, but that's a different thing.
One is time domain, the other is frequency domain. This is what Fourier
transforms are about.
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Thanks Clive. Your terminology is accurate where sadly mine wasn't.
Where I wrote 'noise' the accurate term would be 'distortion' I suppose
- throughout my main post (it should be read accordingly)!
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think there's a person on earth that can understand this dither thing
without referring to the frequency domain - just as several posters
here have done.
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and do a search-and-replace on my earlier posts in case
someone googles this a year from now and I confuse them all over
again!
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If you're going to go for a Benchmark consider a Pre or HDR model -
perhaps used if you're on a budget. The analogue attenuation is a plus
in my view.
In addition, all models can be configured at -10, -20, and -30db with
internal jumpers for gain staging.
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(although I use almost every bit
of functionality of my HDR...also a stunning piece of kit IMO).
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are
out for domestic reasons.
That leaves recordings. It's worth spending on better masters of your
favourite music. This is going to give you big improvements in a
practical fashion.
It's about perspective!
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Spend a bit of time researching your favourite music to see if there are
alternative masters. SACDs are sometimes mastered better (the risk is
hybrids where the CD layer has just a standard master). Also MOFI
releases can sound good.
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is one way to address the problem but
unfortunately it's impractical in many situations.
Admitting blind testing can be impractical isn't the same as denying
psychological bias!
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This is bullshit.
What...really? I thought my post was audio forum gold. LOL.
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) sound contradictory but basically it's a process of
constantly downgrading my opinion about my current SQ (for my
system/music) - whilst downgrading opinion of my past SQ even more
severely! He-he.
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you're not.
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that is of value to others on
the forum.
To discern what might or might not be of value to others requires at
least basic technical knowledge of audio and IT facts. That,
neighbours, is the point.
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, be identical.
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total £6.95 shipping for a coax and an optical spdif
cable just under a year ago. Don't know whether it's gone up or whether
it's a weight thing.
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darrenyeats;683041 Wrote:
Spend a bit of time researching your favourite music to see if there are
alternative masters. SACDs are sometimes mastered better (the risk is
hybrids where the CD layer has just a standard master). Also MOFI
releases can sound good.
Darren
Last night I ripped
darrenyeats;684535 Wrote:
Last night I ripped the CD layer of the 2004 SACD Hybrid of 461 Ocean
Boulevard by Eric Clapton.
Sadly, listening on headphones on the train I can hear clearly that
this master is a lot louder than the early CD release I bought
previously. Disappointing
well. On my previous system, almost EVERYTHING imaged well.
I put it down to the above effect - my current system uses all
pro-audio type equipment which might have something to do with it.
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interpret as height.
Loudspeakers and acoustics is an area with scope for a bit of voodoo,
still. Digital and line level is pretty well understood and measureable
in my view.
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effective than is obvious. In any event, I don't believe
psychoacoustics is fully understood yet.
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existing QED QUNEX ?
Do you mean $10.95? I have just looked at some prices at
www.bluejeanscable.co.uk and they quote £8.95 for 2x9m of balanced
cable...
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comes in...I have
found it helpful, myself.
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and then choose among those for the
better sound
I agree with both of these points within your post.
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e.g. car.
However, there are some notable exceptions. In the UK, BBC Radio 3 and
4 don't have much dynamic compression.
There's nothing you can about dynamic compression AFAIK. Apart from
complain about it at every opportunity...that's what I do(!)
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so the
question becomes, level matched at what frequencies?
You can use broadband noise or multi-tones, but the problem will surely
manifest if you are comparing using a drum and bass track one minute
versus an opera track the next?
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That sounds about optimum. What I wrote wasn't meant as criticism SuperQ
- in fact I applaud your efforts!
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your claim Benchmark publish measurements as evidence for their
claim. (Not that you could publish measurements for every DAC
anyway...)
As for your second statement, which is about jitter and noise, I
don't know about that area.
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- sticking to the topic
- about the Jittery Touch.
I apologise, especially to Firedog, if I came across as (ahem)
touchy...it's just I don't want casual readers to assume they are being
conned when, I believe, Benchmark are straighter arrows than most.
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mnyb;686331 Wrote:
i'll once again bore you to tears with my love of active speakers :)
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Soundcheck, listen blind and then I'll listen to you.
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darrenyeats's
hybrids I think Mofi have come through for me on the
CD layer. I'm not aware of an easy way to rip the SACD layer.
I might be interested in Queen and Dire Straits...what albums do you
have and do they sound any good?!
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to The Telescope) by KT Tunstall.
I swear some percussion sounds like it's from behind but I'm not sure I
hear it every time around...weird (maybe Phil will say it's just in my
head?!)
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than on
any other audio forum I've seen. (A low standard I hear you cry!) Weird
that it happens to be a manufacturers forum, and not an audiophile
brand either, yet people here are worth my time.
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broken Shakti Stone,
you may be a redneck.
Ha ha! But a real redneck would have three half stripped out broken
DACs
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criteria used for evaluation will
be picture quality (not, for example, psychological bias about brand
names).
MCR knows all of this I reckon - and the fact he wants us to explain it
must be mean he is actually in favour of blind testing? He-he!
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magiccarpetride;687901 Wrote:
Another audio myth: red book CDs somehow better sounding than 128 kbps
mp3. Where's the evidence to support such outlandish claims?
Double blind test results show people can hear that difference...I
believe I've seen this on hydrogenaudio.
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TheOctavist,
You are clearly a raving objectivist but am I the first to notice the
TT mods in your signature?!
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! How does this play
regarding phase issues?
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for the 10Hz
fundamental...
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sounding acceptable at home right now.
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In my experience, the answer to the question (Should one hear sound
directly from the speakers) is that it depends on the recording.
Also of relevance, I have found any loudspeaker will tend to image
better in a bigger room.
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common sense articles than the
gibberish most audio journalists write.
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or non-nebula sky you were seeing. If you got it
right 50% of the time, what should we conclude?
DBTs do not necessarily entail snippets - that is a misconception.
You can take as long as you like! There is no excuse for rejecting
blind listening as a concept.
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, avoiding the same DISTANCE (not
fraction) as those from points 3 and 4 would be ideal. A frequency
sweep track would help if doing it by ear. With box speakers an even
response is hard without treatments. An open baffle dipole-type speaker
like the Magnepans might fare better?
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theory or experiences on this subject.
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topics mention the grid
placement method as one alternative. This is another term for the odd
fractions rule of thumb, I believe.
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Another initiative: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86519
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that plan too. I think! IOW channel cancellation isn't the biggest
issue, if I understand the pro multi sub people correctly.
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feel kick drums on my throat; I was massaged internally pretty much all
night; and when the organ hit the low note at the beginning of Sorrow my
jeans flapped violently. And the stage was a LONG way away!
Pretty much downhill from there for me...
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jfo;690671 Wrote:
Was that the Pulse concert? An amazing show..wish I had been there! I
keep hoping it will be available on Blu Ray but it doesn't look likely.
Yes the Pulse concert.
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qualifications.
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ralphpnj;690741 Wrote:
steveinaz;690739 Wrote:
new speakers:
Sqb touch--benchmark dac/pre--placette passive--parasound
hca-1500a--*harbeth compact 7es-3 speakers*
very nice looking setup. Hope you enjoy your new speakers.
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can imagine artistic, musical reasons for adding dynamic compression
on an instrument or passage - but never on a whole recording, no matter
how light (and if light then why bother?)
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? I don't think so. Are you
making a good point? I think so! Best regards,
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, frankly,
compared to the stuff available now).
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but you don't want to
lose the audience by over-doing it, is all. Hopefully that clears it
up?
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of the price. Wouldn't
mind a listen to a pair of those at some point...!
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at a show and I thought they
sounded great and are, as you say, an extremely neat and modern
solution. Good choice IMO.
I heard the M80 at the same show and I didn't like it, TBH. But I
wouldn't mind a listen of the DSP3200 plus DSW sub...!
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say I
know it is not true.
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to. However, my impression is the differences are
unimportant compared to differences in room acoustics and loudspeakers.
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I make no such claim - but if so, they are at least different personas!
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is perfect, they introduce
their own jitter and distortion no matter how tiny.
Hope that clears it up.
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:
the audiophile fridge!)
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are the only things to contend with.
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represented stay the same, and they
don't degrade when shuffled about.
Being clear in your mind about this distinction is key to understanding
IT. Computers were quite an invention...people don't appreciate it
enough I feel.
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is not a possibility. However, there may be other possibilities.
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if Wikipedia had agreed with
your own views?
I am not against your conclusions but it's all getting a bit mob-like
around here!
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will play with
the gain a bit.
Any advice or suggestions?
Darren
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My apologies to the group. I am thoroughly chastened. Is purchasing a
album from HDTracks that I already have on CD sufficient penance?
That more than covers it!
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Phil Leigh;694900 Wrote:
I don't think I am or should be esteemed, there are others here worthy
of that epithet... I'd be happy with tolerated :-)
LOL!
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like to improve my knowledge of this area.
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versions would appear smooth.
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to.
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into noise by
dithering, making it inaudible. What I want to know is, where does this
sinc function thingy come into it, if the DAC is just outputting the
level determined by the samples?
Note I am not stating anything with certainty - really I am asking how
does this work?!
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at higher amplitudes but
in signal terms this is increasing the S/N ratio rather than reducing
distortion due to this step effect, if the signal is dithered! In an
undithered signal, it would indeed reduce distortion.
Darren
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-rez stair case.
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noise!) my guess is they generated it
as a 16-bit wav test tone mathematically on a PC, which is easy enough
to do.
I proposed what they did in my last post. Please have a read again
carefully:
darrenyeats;695256 Wrote:
Now I realise when Stereophile tested the 16 bit undithered waveform
(with a
resolution of 16 bits) in 24/96.
You are quite right to say that no real music is encoded like that! And
I've actually agreed with most of your comments, which makes me think
we've been coming at it from different angles.
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wave shape (because in fact we can assume it's NOT a
square wave - a square wave would require an infinite series of
harmonics yet we know the data is band limited to satisfy Nyquist).
Please see here:
darrenyeats;695297 Wrote:
Phil,
See these posts:
Submitted by Miska on Sun, 02/12/2012 - 17
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AND ethernet is about noise
which might affect the player not data.
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true. If you
want to use DSP then I won't argue. But I would add, try to fix the
physical space (the cause of most problems) as much as possible first.
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mnyb;696263 Wrote:
you are in it for the music ? And starting picking music to fit the
hifi ? Then i think it's time for the men in white coats to have a
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