Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-05-31 Thread Waldo Pepper
I cannot see the point of releasing the likes of any Beatles recording in 24 bit. At least 8 of those bits are wasted on a 1970's recording as noise from the original tapes along with inherant non linear element of tapes. As for the volume issue, alot of it is down to the A weighting curves of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-19 Thread Julf
Zombie wrote: Every recording has its own natural playback level where it sounds best... Or you could just use loudness or tone controls. Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-19 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: Or you could just use loudness or tone controls. Yes the loudness contour is avery good idea . .. On relatively naturally recorded stuff when the instruments makes sense . ..And if people actually understood what it was , not thinking it was an instant disco button hence why we

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-19 Thread heisenberg
SuperQ wrote: And this is where you're missing the actual point. You're comparing two different tracks of different content. Sure, they might be the same song, and even come from the same source multi-track, but the mastering is different. You seem to prefer the higher dynamic range

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-19 Thread mlsstl
heisenberg wrote: I am more concerned about listening to tracks where everything sounds at the same or similar level of loudness. In other words, there are many CDs where the music does not seem to 'breathe', and a flute that's playing in the background is as loud as the bass guitar etc. I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-19 Thread pippin
It _is_ the reason, though, why all that dynamic compression is being done. It comparatively increases the volume of the track. It's less conclusive than the effect for identical tracks, though pippin's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-19 Thread heisenberg
mlsstl wrote: This is NOT what was being discussed just a few posts back. Rather it was about taking the same recording and playing it back at two ever so slightly different playback levels. Most people prefer the one that is slightly louder even if they can't perceive the volume

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-19 Thread Mnyb
mlsstl wrote: This is NOT what was being discussed just a few posts back. Rather it was about taking the same recording and playing it back at two ever so slightly different playback levels. Most people prefer the one that is slightly louder even if they can't perceive the volume

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-18 Thread heisenberg
A fairly pervasive urban myth has been percolating among the community, and this myth has to do with the unfounded assumption that louder always gets perceived as better sounding. In my particular case, and in a few other cases I know of, the exact opposite is true. When comparing side-by-side

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-18 Thread pippin
It's coming from ABX tests, there are scientific papers about this. It's not an urban myth, you are special. How did you find out? Did you do an ABX Test? This is especially about loudness differences which are too subtle to be consciously perceived.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-18 Thread mlsstl
heisenberg wrote: A fairly pervasive urban myth has been percolating among the community, and this myth has to do with the unfounded assumption that louder always gets perceived as better sounding. In my particular case, and in a few other cases I know of, the exact opposite is true. When

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-18 Thread Wombat
There is enough bad music out there that can't be played back silent enough to please. You even may argue this music sounds best when not played back at all. Wombat's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-18 Thread darrenyeats
mlsstl wrote: Finally, your comment is a bit confusing, as you refer to comparing side-by-side two versions of the same track. I couldn't quite tell if you were talking about the same source where you had introduced a volume difference or were talking about two separate CDs where one was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-18 Thread SuperQ
heisenberg wrote: When comparing side-by-side two versions of the same track, I tend to invariably favor the quieter sounding one. And this is where you're missing the actual point. You're comparing two different tracks of different content. Sure, they might be the same song, and even come

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-18 Thread Zombie
Every recording has its own natural playback level where it sounds best... Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98610

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is louder always perceived as better sounding?

2013-04-18 Thread w3wilkes
I think Wombat hit the nail on the head!! w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98610