Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-07-11 Thread fastfwd
pablolie wrote: > Thanks - I just ordered some Rothwell balanced attenuators. If you're using the DAC2's XLR outputs -- and if the DAC2 works like the DAC3 that I'm familiar with -- you can just open the case and move a couple jumpers to attenuate those outputs by either -10dB or -20dB.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-05-28 Thread schiff1108
pablolie wrote: > Thanks - I just ordered some Rothwell balanced attenuators. Pls report about your experience. Living Room: piCorePlayer 5.0.0 on rPi 3B+ & Allo DigiOne & 1TB USB (LMS 8.0.0 & Squeezelite) & Keces DC-116, Mutec MC-3+ Smart Clock, Rega DAC R, Rotel RB-1070, Rotel RC-1070 or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-05-26 Thread pablolie
schiff1108 wrote: > I was always hearing that it is the best to do attenuation at the last > point in the chain. Hence, I have tested some while ago In-Line > Attenuators between the preamp and the power amp. Have tested different > set-ups and I am very satisfied and continue to use them. >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-05-19 Thread schiff1108
I was always hearing that it is the best to do attenuation at the last point in the chain. Hence, I have tested some while ago In-Line Attenuators between the preamp and the power amp. Have tested different set-ups and I am very satisfied and continue to use them. Actually, I listen to music at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-05-09 Thread darrenyeats
I kind of agree in practise, but I would like to unpack what I see as the real problem. There is more benefit than downside with digital VC, if correctly implemented (low distortion and *dithered*). It's possible with SoX. There's another requirement, that the attenuation is *moderate*. I'll

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-05-09 Thread darrenyeats
There's nothing wrong with digital VC per se, if correctly implemented (low distortion and dithered). It's possible to meet both requirements with SoX. There's a third requirement, that the attenuation is moderate. I'll discuss this toward the end! With several popular DACs, the ASRC and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-03-14 Thread darrenyeats
Many up-samplers (including those in many DACs) lack DSP headroom. With highly dynamically compressed input (read most mainstream music since 90s) the up-sampling creates new samples that should be over 0dB but aren't. I think this is one area where people with soundbars, smart phones etc. with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-03-12 Thread Mycenius
pablolie wrote: > I have a rather high powered amp. If I turn the Benchmark DAC2 to 100% > volume the SB Touch can't play at more than 55. I tend to keep the DAC2 > at 50% and that allows me to crank the Touch volume up to 80 (that's > entertainingly loud but not annoyingly loud), but typically

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-03-02 Thread pablolie
pablolie wrote: > I am just using digital inputs on the DAC2HGC, one comes from the TV, > the other from the SB Touch. The Becnhmark indeed acts as both a DAC and > a preamp, and feeds into the NAD M22 power amp. The DAC2 also has > internal an internal attenuator, which I set to -20db. That

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-03-02 Thread cliveb
Reality Check Time. Agonising over where it's best to apply volume control is basically a waste of time and effort. An audio playback system has a fixed amount of gain. It also has a fixed amount of noise. For any given desired listening level, you need to reduce the signal level such that the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-03-02 Thread pablolie
I am just using digital inputs on the DAC2HGC, one comes from the TV, the other from the SB Touch. The Becnhmark indeed acts as both a DAC and a preamp, and feeds into the NAD M22 power amp. The DAC2 also has internal an internal attenuator, which I set to -20db. That allows me to keep the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-29 Thread Mnyb
Or have missed some finer point on how the benchmark works ? While at it why not look at the whole gain structure. DAC2 is driving active speakers? A power amp ? If the sensitivity is adjustable at that end I would make it so the 100% on DAC2 would represent maximum enjoyable loudness with the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-29 Thread Mnyb
If we are talking two digital volume controls I’ll bet the benchmark is the better implementation and if it has headroom just use one volume control. I have an older Meridian pre/pro wo suspect of not having any headroom for intersample overs , so I upsample and attenuate -3.5 dB in Squeezelite

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-29 Thread darrenyeats
In previous discussions I was told that with the Touch anything above 40 with 16 bit source has no rounding errors. But with 24 bit source any volume reduction will have rounding errors. The DAC2 has HGC i.e. volume is analogue for analogue inputs but digitial for digital. The DAC2 also has

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-28 Thread Zombie
Lower the power amp sensitivity. Voltage dvider maybe? Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111714

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-26 Thread pablolie
Thanks for the informative and helpful responses - as always. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation) running Ubuntu 18.04 + LMS 7.9.1 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-23 Thread Ron F.
garym wrote: > and the takeaway from that thread is that having your touch digital > volume at around 60 or higher means that your not losing anything > (because the touch can do digital volume control using 24 bits > essentially). I have my amp/preamp volume set such that I'm usually at > 70

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-23 Thread garym
MichaelJ wrote: > Here’s a link to an old discussion on that topic > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?89228-Touch-Volume-Control-Quality=645562=1#post645562 and the takeaway from that thread is that having your touch digital volume at around 60 or higher means that your not losing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-23 Thread MichaelJ
pablolie wrote: > I have a rather high powered amp. If I turn the Benchmark DAC2 to 100% > volume the SB Touch can't play at more than 55. I tend to keep the DAC2 > at 50% and that allows me to crank the Touch volume up to 80 (that's > entertainingly loud but not annoyingly loud), but typically

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-22 Thread schiff1108
pablolie wrote: > I have a rather high powered amp. If I turn the Benchmark DAC2 to 100% > volume the SB Touch can't play at more than 55. I tend to keep the DAC2 > at 50% and that allows me to crank the Touch volume up to 80 (that's > entertainingly loud but not annoyingly loud), but typically

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Volume Level with SB Touch

2020-02-22 Thread pablolie
I have a rather high powered amp. If I turn the Benchmark DAC2 to 100% volume the SB Touch can't play at more than 55. I tend to keep the DAC2 at 50% and that allows me to crank the Touch volume up to 80 (that's entertainingly loud but not annoyingly loud), but typically more like 72. Do those