Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

At 12:47 PM 3/8/2016, you wrote: Hi all, As an engineering student I independently came up with the concept as a final year project - then discovered FLARM had beaten me to it a few years earlier. As part of my research at the time I am confident I found promotional material where the FLARM

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 8 March 2016 at 12:47, Al Borowski wrote: Open protocols brought us things like free email (imagine if each one > cost 5 cents to send!) > ​Right now I wish it was at least dollar:) Cheers Paul​ Cheers Paul ___

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 08/03/2016, Andres Miramontes wrote: > After been reading all the comments on this subject I am really surprised > to find we have around so many capable professionals on the topic and I > wonder why nobody has came up yet with a more profitable and affordable > solution

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

After been reading all the comments on this subject I am really surprised to find we have around so many capable professionals on the topic and I wonder why nobody has came up yet with a more profitable and affordable solution to this issue to compite with companies that invest millions of

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

  - Original Message - From: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." To:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Cc: Sent:Tue, 8 Mar 2016 09:51:44 +1030 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation M

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Yes, you are right. The drone anticollision problem will likely solve the issue once and for all. Don't hold your breath though. It has only been 20 years and ADSB still hasn't had universal rollout. Presumably it will be an open standard arrived at by international agreement(or disagreement

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

do you know how many new Flarms are sold each year in Australia? on a Last 5 year average less than 20. I do feel you are both trying to solve a problem where there is nothing really to fuss about. to an earlier point you have both ignored, In time, new, very low cost anti collision devices

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 9:09 PM, Mark Newton wrote: We haven’t been talking about mandating of open specifications, except to the extent necessary to comply with existing consumer law. Theme and variations: can an entity have a specification with restricted licensing practices, possibly include

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

scussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. <aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation Mike, thats sounds pretty hypocritical coming from you. You of all people should be honest in acknowledging the challen

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 2:49 PM, Mark Newton wrote: Then you’d know that RAND licensing is an area of active controversy, which some standards bodies have taken an active role in, particularly in the data communications space. RAND: Reasonable And Non Discriminatory. Commonly misconstrued by those

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 6:20 PM, Optusnet wrote: Matt what would be your guess to setup and design a standalone reconfigurable FLARM type of system., I was thinking about future ADSB,ACARS,AUTO MET, Outlanding advice , soaring spot tracker type of stuff? If we had one box that broadcast FLARM type stuff

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Yep I deserved that, just one little L missing. Must have been the salt lost affecting my logic from pushing OJ five times a day for runway changes pre launch in January. Here goes again, Matt what would be your guess to setup and design a standalone reconfigurable FLARM type of system., I

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

You are making far too much profit out of miniOZ Richard☺ On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Richard Frawley wrote: > peanuts > > On 7 Mar 2016, at 3:20 PM, Bob Dircks wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > Just out of interest what would it cost to develop

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

That's a joke .no? On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Optusnet wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 7 Mar 2016, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Scutter >

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peanuts > On 7 Mar 2016, at 3:20 PM, Bob Dircks wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? > > Are you thinking wool, beef or cropping ? > >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Optusnet

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

it gets to be a moot point. Unless someone wants to make a cheap enough and open version of comparable quality such that we all change over, then Flarm will continue to charge a reasonable amount sufficient to keep their business running and protect their business accordingly. that's

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

I guess crops could be harvested with gliders using ground effect... perfect practice for comp finishes at Lake Keepit, etc Thanks & Regards, Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Bob Dircks

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Hi Matt, Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? Are you thinking wool, beef or cropping ? On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Optusnet wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? > >

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Amusing and tangentially relevant - FLARM licenses their prediction engine from ONERA http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US=6438492==E=en_EP http://www.onera.fr/en/news/flarm-aircraft-collision-avoidance-system-gliders On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Matthew Scutter

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Hi Matt, Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? Sent from my iPad > On 7 Mar 2016, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: > > FLARM's idea of licensing is for you to produce identical hardware to run > their proprietary software

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

FLARM's idea of licensing is for you to produce identical hardware to run their proprietary software on.[1] There is no standard, open or closed, to license and implement. This really doesn't have any bearing to the ISO standards writing process, except in how dissimilar it is. As for the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 1:42 PM, Mark Newton wrote: Protecting the text of a standard under copyright and making it purchasable, is not the same thing as making the standard unimplementable without paying license fees, and you know it. Reputable standards bodies insist on open royalty free patent

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On Mar 7, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Justin Couch wrote: > On 7/03/2016 12:09 PM, Mark Newton wrote: > >> It is not possible for a consumer to vote with their wallet, because no >> matter where they send their money, FLARM skims the cream. >> >> It isn’t a competitive market, it’s a

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

As pointed out by your friend Mike earlier, you are incorrectly barking up the wrong tree. There is nothing stopping anyone from having a go a producing at equivalent product for $10 that is better and could easily replace every Flarm on the planet with their own solution. In time, this

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

>>Standards are ROUTINELY open Except if they are national or international standards. If we want to make something to conform to many standards including ISO and CE, we must pay for the standards document in the first place to learn the standard. IGES and GIF are both standards, but one has to

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 12:09 PM, Mark Newton wrote: It is not possible for a consumer to vote with their wallet, because no matter where they send their money, FLARM skims the cream. It isn’t a competitive market, it’s a restraint of trade. Not a good argument to make. This exact same scenario plays

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On Mar 7, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Richard Frawley wrote: > Flarm have done a great job over the many years supplying a reliable, life > saving product that cost less than some of your Varios. That doesn’t give them a right to a monopoly. > Like you Mike, they have every right

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Mike, thats sounds pretty hypocritical coming from you. You of all people should be honest in acknowledging the challenging business economics that are apparent in serving what is a tiny community. Flarm have done a great job over the many years supplying a reliable, life saving product that

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

At 07:45 PM 3/6/2016, you wrote: On 6 Mar 2016, at 2:30 PM, Richard Frawley <rjfraw...@gmail.com> wrote: http://flarm.com/statement-by-flarm-technology-about-recent-unsolicited-emails/

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On 6 Mar 2016, at 2:30 PM, Richard Frawley wrote: > http://flarm.com/statement-by-flarm-technology-about-recent-unsolicited-emails/ > > Smells like bullshit.

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Flarm have dead ended on efforts to get personal identification so far. If anyone gets an email from the spammers directly, can you send all the header info to me and I will pass it on. > On 6 Mar 2016, at 3:23 PM, m...@mals.net wrote: > > Someone must have the IP ADDRESS to tracert them.

[Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Someone must have the IP ADDRESS to tracert them. Mal On 2016-03-06 14:30, Richard Frawley wrote: http://flarm.com/statement-by-flarm-technology-about-recent-unsolicited-emails/ [1] Links: -- [1] http://flarm.com/statement-by-flarm-technology-about-recent-unsolicited-emails/

[Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

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