Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

Sorry Mike, I was away yesterday. You've offered a quite plausible explanation to the a frustrating question. Namely why did the PF react as he did when the autopilot threw up its hands and walked out after the AS indications went west? Surely no-one of even his experience would react that w

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

G'day Gary and others, I could probably hazard a shot at answers to most of your questions, but in the interests of accuracy I will refrain, since it's a while since I lost interest in the story, and in the avalanche of information and speculation in the days, months and years since the accide

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

At 12:45 AM 15/05/2013, you wrote: We all know that pitch angle (angle of attack), and stall are intimately related. Massive fail. Pitch angle and angle of attack are NOT the same thing at all. Pitch angle is the direction the aircraft is POINTING - the attitude indicator will show this.

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

at the stories here leave fiction for dead! Would make at least one great movie for sure. Gary - Original Message - From: Terry Neumann To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soari

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

, you can be certain that the stories here leave > fiction for dead! Would make *at least one* great movie for sure. > > Gary > > - Original Message - > *From:* Terry Neumann > *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in > Australia. > *Sent:* Monday, May 13

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

t movie for sure. Gary - Original Message - From: Terry Neumann To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447 Thanks Mike. I was also aware of this information from b

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447 I thought I had seen something like this in relation to AF447 The guy flying was Cedric Bonin >From pprune: Image removed by sender. Old 10th Dec 2011, 04:06 #711 ( <http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/466259-af447-fina

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

Terry, Note the bit in the Flight Global article about the indicated altitude showing a 90M decrease and the pilot pulling back. With the pitot iced up and unreliable airspeed I bet the position error correction on the statics was no longer operative (this all goes through an air data compute

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

Thanks Mike. I was also aware of this information from both this source, and from another which I've been unable to rediscover. I've tried to keep up with the AF 447 disaster information flow from day one. It is a fascinating jigsaw which reveals a whole series of events which conspired to

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I thought I had seen something like this in relation to AF447 The guy flying was Cedric Bonin From pprune: Old 10th Dec 2011, 04:06 #711 (permalink)

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

ly needed that dog. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 9:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

Here's a professional take and more detail on what happened: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-focus-after-af447-what-now-377433/ and another view: http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/predicament-air-france-447 Full power stick forward isn't what was being taught in airlin

[Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447

Just saw the 60 Minutes program on the Air France A330 crash in the Atlantic a few years ago. Unbelievable. The aircraft is in cruise on Auto pilot, flying through storms over the Equator at around 35,00ft. Three of the Pitot's ice up momentarily and the Auto pilot shuts off. PIC takes manual