Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group
5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) < mtk.li...@gmail.com> yazdı: > On 8/5/20 7:12 PM, Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote: > > 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The > Open > > Group yazdı: > > > >> Date:Wed, 05

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group
6 Ağustos 2020 Perşembe tarihinde Oğuz yazdı: > > > 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) < > mtk.li...@gmail.com> yazdı: > >> On 8/5/20 7:12 PM, Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote: >> > 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Donn Terry via austin-group-l at The Open Group
The suggestions here so far are cumbersome and tend to be ambiguous. The old m-word and sl-word, and also "client" and "server" could potentially be interpreted backwards from the conventional intent. (You can think about it as the sl-word/client actually being in control: telling the

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso via austin-group-l at The Open Group
Michael Kerrisk via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote in : |Elliot Hughes and I both noticed a point from "Minutes of the 3rd August \ |2020 |Teleconference": .. |On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:52 PM Andrew Josey wrote: ... |> * General news |> |> We discussed terminology usage, in

Re: More issues with pattern matching

2020-08-05 Thread Geoff Clare via austin-group-l at The Open Group
Harald van Dijk wrote, on 31 Jul 2020: > > Take the previous example glibc's cy_GB.UTF-8 locale, but with a different > collating element: in this locale, "dd" is a single collating element too. > Therefore, this must be matchable by bracket expressions. Incorrect. I think you overlooked these

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread shwaresyst via austin-group-l at The Open Group
The slave side is ancillary to the master, sorry, as physical terminals are ancillary to the processor hardware, imo. Inverting the relationship makes it look like it is the intent of the slave side to source the majority of the data, when more often it is only monitoring output data sourced

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Geoff Clare via austin-group-l at The Open Group
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote, on 05 Aug 2020: > > Michael Kerrisk via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote in > : > |Elliot Hughes and I both noticed a point from "Minutes of the 3rd August \ > |2020 > |Teleconference": > .. > |On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:52 PM Andrew Josey wrote: > ... > |> *

Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Michael Kerrisk via austin-group-l at The Open Group
Elliot Hughes and I both noticed a point from "Minutes of the 3rd August 2020 Teleconference": [[ On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:52 PM Andrew Josey wrote: > > All > Enclosed are the minutes of yesterdays teleconference > regards > Andrew [...] > * General news > > We discussed terminology usage, in

Re: More issues with pattern matching

2020-08-05 Thread Harald van Dijk via austin-group-l at The Open Group
On 05/08/2020 15:54, Geoff Clare via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote: Harald van Dijk wrote, on 31 Jul 2020: Take the previous example glibc's cy_GB.UTF-8 locale, but with a different collating element: in this locale, "dd" is a single collating element too. Therefore, this must be

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group
5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The Open Group yazdı: > Date:Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:28:45 -0400 > From:"Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group" < > austin-group-l@opengroup.org> > Message-ID:

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group
On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 08:00 -0700, Donn Terry via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote: > The suggestions here so far are cumbersome and tend to be ambiguous. > The old m-word and sl-word, and also "client" and "server" could > potentially be interpreted backwards from the conventional intent.

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Geoff Clare via austin-group-l at The Open Group
shwaresyst wrote, on 05 Aug 2020: > > On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 Geoff Clare via austin-group-l at The Open Group > wrote: > >> My own thoughts up to now had been that, since the slave side is the >> side that is intended to be used as a terminal in the normal way, the >> slave should be

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The Open Group
Date:Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:28:45 -0400 From:"Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group" Message-ID: <1d8c5e6e96fbdd47ce143a566b57db2c803d4898.ca...@gnu.org> | do you consider the pseudoterminal as providing to the terminal, or the | terminal as providing to

Re: Mailing list header rewrite adjustment

2020-08-05 Thread Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The Open Group
Date:Tue, 4 Aug 2020 19:57:22 +0100 From:"Andrew Josey via austin-group-l at The Open Group" Message-ID: <08605dfa-f6c7-4eb8-9275-6511fbd37...@opengroup.org> | I will be monitoring and we can revert if it causes issues It causes issues, and is hideous. Please

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group
On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 23:38 +0700, Robert Elz wrote: > | do you consider the pseudoterminal as providing to the terminal, or the > | terminal as providing to the pseudoterminal. > > How did anyone ever get to a question like that? In the part of my message you elided I was arguing that using the

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Michael Kerrisk man-pages via austin-group-l at The Open Group
[Restoring the CC, which seems to have got lost along the way; it's best if we keep it, since some people who are involved on the Linux/Glibc side may not be on the Austin list.] Hello Geoff and Steffen, Thanks for your feedback. On 8/5/20 4:20 PM, Geoff Clare via austin-group-l at The Open

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Michael Kerrisk man-pages via austin-group-l at The Open Group
On 8/5/20 7:12 PM, Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote: > 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The Open > Group yazdı: > >> Date:Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:28:45 -0400 >> From:"Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group" < >>

Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX

2020-08-05 Thread Michael Kerrisk man-pages via austin-group-l at The Open Group
[again restoring the CC] On 8/5/20 5:28 PM, Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote: > On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 08:00 -0700, Donn Terry via austin-group-l at The > Open Group wrote: >> The suggestions here so far are cumbersome and tend to be ambiguous. >> The old m-word and sl-word,