:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree
I assume these folks had to pay an indulgence (is that the correct word?)
to the local priest. Does anyone know if the amount paid was more for a
grandfather/granddaughter marriage than for a 1st cousin/1st cousin
marriage? Did
Something in the back of my head says that there were fees, but I can't for
the life of me remember where I learned that. Or if I'm applying it to the
wrong instance.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada
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For
You're partly right. I believe that the proper term you're looking for is a
dispensation which is requested by the party (s) involved; it usually takes
the form of an indulgence resulting from performing a certain penance
suggested by the priest in confession, and, certain contributions for
where I
primarily work.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
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I assume these folks had to pay an indulgence (is that the correct word?) to
the local
about this happening to their ancestors. Maybe it was mentioned in some history book.Good old corruption in all its many facets...Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com
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and Terceira, since that's where I primarily work.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com
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I have a grandfather marrying his granddaughter. It was in the 1880s and did
surprise me!
- Shirl -
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I keep reading about cousins marring, but are there any recorded uncle and niece marriage. I know this happened, at least in my family. I could not belie
I know Eloise Cadinha has found an uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage. I
can't remember which.
1st degree of consanguinity: Uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage. Rare.
2nd degree of consanguinity: 1st cousins marrying.
3rd degree of consanguinity: 2nd cousins marrying.
4th degree of
Cheri,1st degree of consanguinity: Uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage. Rare.This is called 1st and 2nd degree.First degree would never be allowed, because that's siblings marrying each other - except in Eastern Kentucky... :-)I have one where he married his mother-in-law. They had no children.
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From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 1:55 pm
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My
to
his sister is prohibited by civil and cannon law.
John Miranda Raposo
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I know
Doug,
We call that double first cousins here.
My dad's Portuguese grandparents were double first cousins. I know Carol
(Silva) Warnock of this list has the same thing in her tree. I'm sure
there are others. All 4 of the offspring from my dad's grandparents were
just fine. One was killed by a
Doug,
Cousin Marriages are common on Flores because it is such a small Island. I
have cousin marriages on both sides of my family tree. If the genes are
good, superior decendants can be produced. I have some first cousins on my
father's side that married. One of their children married the child of
.
I read that Flores has the highest incidence of Machado Joseph disease found
among the Azorean people and it is attributed to the frequency of inbreeding.
Sometimes things are oksometimes not.
Nancy Jean
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:42:28 -0700
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Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com
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found among the Azorean people and it is attributed to the frequency of
inbreeding. Sometimes things are oksometimes not.
Nancy Jean
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I ran across an old document I had translated about 15 years ago and took another look.My first notation was that this couple was related in the second degree. I never noted whether it was by consanguinity or affinity.But usually if I didn't note it, it was by consanguinity.Well, my second look
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