Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-31 Thread Dano
You're partly right. I believe that the proper term you're looking for is a "dispensation" which is requested by the party (s) involved; it usually takes the form of an "indulgence" resulting from performing a certain "penance" suggested by the priest in confession, and, certain contributions fo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-31 Thread Cheri Mello
Something in the back of my head says that there were fees, but I can't for the life of me remember where I learned that. Or if I'm applying it to the wrong instance. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For opt

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-31 Thread David Perry
om [mailto: > azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *David Perry > *Sent:* Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:42 AM > *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree > > > > I assume these folks had to pay an indulgence (is that t

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-30 Thread pico
lighten us about this happening to their ancestors. Maybe it was mentioned in some history book.Good old corruption in all its many facets...Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message ---- Subject: Re: [AZORES-Gene

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-30 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Perry Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:42 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree I assume these folks had to pay an indulgence (is that the correct word?) to the local

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-30 Thread David Perry
; were 20 or more years apart. > > As usual, most of them are from Pico and Terceira, since that's where I > primarily work. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > ---

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-26 Thread pico
m Pico and Terceira, since that's where I primarily work.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message ---- Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree From: <p...@dholmes.com> Date: Fri

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2013-05-24 Thread John Raposo
his sister is prohibited by civil and cannon law. John Miranda Raposo From: Cheri Mello To: Azores Genealogy Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree I know Eloise Cadinha has found an uncle/niece or

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2013-05-24 Thread John Vasconcelos
o 101. Her brother lived > into his 90s. Another brother was in his 80s, I believe. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > Original Message > Subject: RE: [AZORES-

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-24 Thread pico
Cheri,1st degree of consanguinity: Uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage.  Rare.This is called 1st and 2nd degree.First degree would never be allowed, because that's siblings marrying each other - except in Eastern Kentucky... :-)I have one where he married his mother-in-law.  They had no children. 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-24 Thread Cheri Mello
I know Eloise Cadinha has found an uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage. I can't remember which. 1st degree of consanguinity: Uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage. Rare. 2nd degree of consanguinity: 1st cousins marrying. 3rd degree of consanguinity: 2nd cousins marrying. 4th degree of consanguinity

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-24 Thread pico
age ---- Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree From: yukonang...@aol.com Date: Fri, May 24, 2013 6:42 am To: azores@googlegroups.com I keep reading about cousins marring, but are there any recorded uncle and niece marriage. I know this happened, at least in my family. I c

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-24 Thread Shirl Sereque
I have a grandfather marrying his granddaughter.  It was in the 1880s and did surprise me! - Shirl - From: "yukonang...@aol.com" To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second de

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2013-05-24 Thread Yukonangels
logist 916-550-1618 _www.dholmes.com_ (http://www.dholmes.com/) Original Message ---- Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree From: nancy jean baptiste <_fishsongfarm@hotmail.com_ (mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com) > Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 1:55 pm

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-22 Thread John Vasconcelos
sI don't > know. > > I read that Flores has the highest incidence of Machado Joseph disease > found among the Azorean people and it is attributed to the frequency of > inbreeding. Sometimes things are oksometimes not. > > Nancy Jean > > -------------

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-22 Thread pico
ug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree From: nancy jean baptiste <fishsongf...@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 1:55 pm To: azore

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-22 Thread nancy jean baptiste
...I don't know. I read that Flores has the highest incidence of Machado Joseph disease found among the Azorean people and it is attributed to the frequency of inbreeding. Sometimes things are oksometimes not. Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:42:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-G

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-22 Thread John Vasconcelos
Doug, Cousin Marriages are common on Flores because it is such a small Island. I have cousin marriages on both sides of my family tree. If the genes are good, superior decendants can be produced. I have some first cousins on my father's side that married. One of their children married the child of

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

2013-05-22 Thread Cheri Mello
Doug, We call that double first cousins here. My dad's Portuguese grandparents were double first cousins. I know Carol (Silva) Warnock of this list has the same thing in her tree. I'm sure there are others. All 4 of the offspring from my dad's grandparents were just fine. One was killed by a d