Hi Sean and Gayle,
Here's my take,
Manuel son of incognito parents (exposto) exposed/left at the home of Jose
da Silva parishioner
of this Parochial Church of Nossa Senhora da Candelaria of Pico, on the
16th day of the month of
of January of 1797. The Exposed brought a note that said he had been
Okay- it's probably a "dumb question" but here goes:
If they applied for a passport for one country, was it customary and/or common
that they would sail to another country?
I noticed there are pages and pages of passports for Rio de Janeiro or Sandwich
Islands. I'm looking for ancestor who w
That may be one of the coolest records I have ever seen! Now you gotta try to
look for the first baptism since it mentions that!
Good luck!
Jeremy
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Maybe, maybe not. The baby could have been baptized at home. The record did
not specify if it was a church baptism or one done at home. And if it was a
church baptism, it will most likely say pais incognitos. The marriage and
death records both say pais incognitos.
Cheri Mello
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Yeah, you'll see waves of people emigrating to a particular location. Pages
and pages.
The passaportes were written by humans. Humans make mistakes. Could someone
going to America been in the pages of Brasil or Sandwich Isles (Hawaii) and
the agent goofed and wrote Brasil? Yup!
But I think in the
Thanks CHERI.
Maria Elena
> On May 23, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> Yeah, you'll see waves of people emigrating to a particular location. Pages
> and pages.
>
> The passaportes were written by humans. Humans make mistakes. Could someone
> going to America been in the pages of B
Thanks for the information. My next question is do you think the godparents
were the original godparents from the baptism mentioned on the note? Which
means perhaps there is another baptism record. Or do you think those god
parents are from the second baptism and who would those people be in
re
It could be any of the scenarios you mentioned. If only the books could
talk. But you know, they'd speak in Portuguese!
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Sean And
This is a neat little discovery for me that I had to share. I think some
others are also interested in the de Braga family of Maia, Ribeira Grande.
Jacintho Jose de Braga, (b. 21 Sep 1806), Maia m. 26 Aug 1829, Maia to Rosa
de Medeiros Pacehco (b. 4 Mar 1810, Maia) had 10 known children. Until
But, if these were the same godparents (or even the same village) wouldn't they
and/or the priest know the parents ? Thus, eliminating the condition of "pais
incognitos." This is a tough situation.
Gayle
> On May 23, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Sean Andrade wrote:
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> Thanks for the information. My
Sean,
Your question:
do you think the godparents were the original godparents from the baptism
mentioned on the note?
No, they were not. If they were, the attending Priest would not have
baptised the child again. Why? because they would be confirmed witnesses to
the first baptism and as a result
Hello. New to group. I will be going to San Miguel soon and hope to look up
family history. Any helpful hints? I have names and places and approx dates of
birth of my grandparents. Unfortunately I do not speak Portuguese. Thanks for
assistance.
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Janet, since you are going to be in SAO Miguel, you should look for your
grandparent's baptismal/birth records first. Once you have those records
(depending on the age of your grandparents) you may be able to connect with
the online records which go to 1911.
Rosemarie
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SAN Miguel island is one of the Channel Islands off the coast of California
in the Pacific Ocean. No one lives there.
SAO Miguel island is one of the Azores Islands in the Atlantic Ocean. It's
an autonomous region of Portugal.
Since I have no clue if you are a 25 year old in search of her grandpa
I read that (with my limited Portuguese) as Jose is filing for
emancipation from his father.
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:44 AM, IslandRoutes
wrote:
> This is a
I notice Emilia was baptised in Sao Jose de Ponta Delgada and her parents
are from Fenais de Baixo. Why not try those places to see if is that where
they settled.
JR
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 2:25:52 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> I read that (with my limited Portuguese) as Jose is filing
Cheri,
That's how I read it. But, if so, why? Could it have something to do with
him being the oldest surviving son and moving away from Maia to Ponta
Delgada to get married?
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 11:25:52 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> I read that (with my limited Portuguese) as Jos
JR,
I think I may shift to Sao Jose and try the mother's village first. Their
are many obitos for Sao Sebastiao. It could be a needle in a haystack kind
of search through those records.
I have gotten a few DNA matches recently who have ancestry in the Ponta
Delgada area and none in any of t
I don't remember the majority age for a man to get married back then. Maybe
he wasn't majority age to get married so he is filing emancipation?
Hopefully someone else knows more about this topic and can chime in.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1844-1846/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1844-1846_item1/P143.html
Margaret all this talk about Antonio Silva Canario reminds me of the one in the
URL above. He was the padrinho to all of my exposto great grandfather's kids.
Herb
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Thank you for your reply. I am sure I will enjoy my time there. My ancestors
were born in the 1800's. I will be traveling with a relative who speaks
Portuguese so she will be able to assist me.
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Thank you for your response. I hope to find their birth records and see where
they were born and lived. Maybe I will be very lucky and find relatives too.
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Thanks everyone for the help and input!
I'm sure this is totally coincidental but I found this baptism for a Manuel
a few days earlier that said he was baptized at home, but lists no god
parents. I'm still not great at translating but I believe that is says he
then died. It is on the bottom
le
Great, Janet. If you relative speaks Portuguese then you have a head start.
You will want to find the baptismal records for your grandparents and their
marriage record. If you can get back to 1911 then you can use the online
records that Cheri mentioned. You can learn to read the records, it takes
Indeed, Herb! Too similar, the other Antonio was of incognito parents but
there may be a correlation here. If a Silva Carnario family was raising
these kids they may have taken on the surname. Were you able to confirm
who it was that nursed and raised your ancestor?
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:29
Manuel is the most common male name. You can find a Manuel in just about
every freguesia on all 9 Azores islands around the time period you are
seeking.
The Manuel you found has 2 parents who are married. That is not your Manuel.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: V
Cheri,
The majority age in Portugal according to, [Codigo Civil de Seabra
(artigo 1058º)
de 1867] was 21 years of age.
Also and in accordance to the same Code, the age for marriage was: 16 years
of age for a man and 14 years of age for a woman.
This information was obtained from a discussion in
The archive in Ponta Delgada will plop her down in front of a computer to
look at 1800s records. Same thing she could do from home.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 4:54
Yes that is what I am hoping to find. They were married in the US. I have found
a record of that. I have no idea when they emigrated to the US nor the port of
entry. Such a mystery.
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As best as I have been able to determine Margaret, my exposto Jose Sousa Silva
born 1871-1872 in NS Estrela Ribeira Grande, was probably the son of an Antonio
Sousa Estrela and Maria Rosa. I have not been able to learn who raised him or
who the parents of Antonio Sousa Estela were. I have poured
Do you have the marriage of Emilia's parents, said to be from Faja de Baixo?
JR
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 5:19:01 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:
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> JR,
> I think I may shift to Sao Jose and try the mother's village first. Their
> are many obitos for Sao Sebastiao. It could be a needle in a h
I'll keep those names in mind whenever I search through that Parish. Have
you considered that Estrela may be a 'tag' name. In other words, a
grandmother may have been called Estrela or Maria da Estrela while the
husband may be "Sousa" ?
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Herb wrote:
> As best
Mara and JR,
I'll answer you both here.
JR, no, I haven't looked for Emilia's parents in Faja de Baixo yet. I only
started my search Sunday starting with the records in Sao Sebastiao. So, I
have more work to do!
Mara,
This information is interesting. So, emancipation does have to do with
In most cases, yes. Emancipation is "freedom" from Paternal or Tutelage
hold. There is emancipation for slaves as well but it is not the case here,
My guess, since he's almost 21, is that he was seeking his inheritance
portion of the parents' estate at emancipation time. Or, if the father
passe
sorry, didn't address all your questions.
It's unlikely he was disabled, if he were he wouldn't be able to pay the
Courts with his allowance. Over there and in those days, payments were
upfront. It took thousands of $$ to start a legal process.
Regarding the wife's age, that is not so uncommon.
Thank you so much for your responses! It's helped me get a little bit of
an idea of why he asked for emancipation. We can rule out that his father
recently died. He lived until 1888.
I will be following Emilia's trail. Then I want to go back to the obitos
for Maia and make sure that these t
There is a conflict with the grandparents of Mafalda. What do the baptisms
of Sao Sebastioa about the grandparents names?
JR
On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 12:09:24 AM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:
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> Thank you so much for your responses! It's helped me get a little bit of
> an idea of why he as
Hi Janet,
Wondering if you can find anything more in the US about your grandparents.
*Does their marriage record include the names of their parents?
*Have you looked for them in US Censuses? 1900, 10, 20, 30 have information
about the year of immigration, and citizenship status.
*If they became c
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