Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Dave Crossland
On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave doesn't mean sharing. Dave means stealing and redistributing for free. When he says sharing, Dave always means stealing. Dave wants everything for nothing. This is simply untrue: non-commercial redistribution allow

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-29 Thread Dave Crossland
On 29/10/2007, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * From the interview, it is clear that the reason that the current DRM requirements exist is because rights-holders did not want the end-user the to be able to redistribute content to others Asking people to agree not share with friends

Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news

2007-10-16 Thread Dave Crossland
On 16/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Jolly wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/10_october/16/adobe.shtml I wonder if that means iPlayer is dropping the DRM to go YouTube style. Sadly the GNU/Linux support mentioned is nothing of the sort,

Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news

2007-10-16 Thread Dave Crossland
On 16/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: Sadly the GNU/Linux support mentioned is nothing of the sort, since it will require Adobe's proprietary Flash player. Depends - gnash now (allegedly, I haven't tried it) has the functionality to support YouTube

Re: [backstage] From FoWA - Paul Graham from Y Combinator

2007-10-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/10/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So move there, if you want as many advantages as you can possibly make for your startup. But you can find a sharp circle of friends who are into this stuff pretty much anywhere, and if they are sharp enough - Jaiku (finland) and Placez

Re: [backstage] From FoWA - Paul Graham from Y Combinator

2007-10-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/10/2007, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Graham this morning said you should move to silicon valley if your serious about this stuff or at least its an advantage. Paul wrote some related thoughts in HP (or an essay on his site from 04/05) comparing Boston to the Valley, so

Re: [backstage] the economics of BBC content

2007-09-21 Thread Dave Crossland
On 21/09/2007, George Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flickr isn't a substitute for professional photo libraries just yet, you know. We drive into the future using only our rearview mirror. -- Marshall McLuhan -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To

Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100

2007-09-17 Thread Dave Crossland
On 17/09/2007, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users Given the amount of skins for GNU/Linux users' desktops, such as on kde-look.org and gnome-look.org, thats an interesting statement. Apple disapproves of

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Dave Crossland
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems the anti-DRM protests are misdirected. Why is the yellow jump-suit brigade talking to the people who actually have the power to change it? The rights holders. The BBC is being very sneaky about responsibility for the DRM: It doesn't

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-16 Thread Dave Crossland
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it does. It might not today, but its very clear what Microsoft's web-video strategy is. There was an article in The Register today about this:

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 15/08/07, Paul Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dave, Who is Dan Lyons? A journalist for Forbes who has constantly attacked the software freedom movement. What is a shill? A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 14/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The irony is that it probably doesn't matter now. They could now download it using their Windows XP machine in DRMed Windows Media Format. All thanks to our new overlord Bill, and his maniacal scheme to take over the BBC from the inside.

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-14 Thread Dave Crossland
On 14/08/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Forrester wrote: Yep we were there along with about another 20 people. So were they making a point or trying to make a difference? I believe the additional media coverage of the unconscionable restrictions in the iPlayer will make a

[backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-13 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Folks, Not seen mention of it in her yet, so those those interested in the on-going iPlayer controversy, the Free Software Foundation's Defective By Design campaign is holding a protest outside the BBC Television Center in White City tomorrow at 10:30AM. Read all about it at

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And we'll be out there - backstage tshirts on hand, and doing some interviews. Cool! :-) But why is it happening outside TVC? I'm sure it's already been said elsewhere but... FMT are in the Broadcast Centre, 1/2 mile up the road? I

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if the police will be able to continue protecting us from terrorwrists if they have to police an iPlayer DRM demo? Yeah dude, its going to turn violent, for sure. lol -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] Making the underground accessible to all

2007-08-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 31/07/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 31 July 2007 19:50, Dave Crossland wrote: There are efforts to make unauthorised sharing of television as easy as possible though, such as http://www.rulecam.net/ted/ and this makes a mockery of highly restricted systems

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/08/07, Paul Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are times when I think that the Linux community expects everything for nothing, and if it's not forthcoming that a company is either stupid or short sighted or similar. No, the software freedom movement doesn't expect anything for

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not advocating eye patches and peg legs here, but personally I don't see a moral difference between getting something that's available on demand free from iPlayer via other means. That could be a PVR, or it could be getting it from a

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not advocating eye patches and peg legs here, but personally I don't see a moral difference between getting something that's

[backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-07-31 Thread Dave Crossland
On 30/07/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From time to time there has been (mostly around iPlayer) some strong criticism of how the BBC develops products. That's good. http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted August 14th seems like a date for the diary :-) -- Regards,

Re: [backstage] Making the underground accessible to all

2007-07-31 Thread Dave Crossland
On 31/07/07, Otu Ekanem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isn't unreasonable to think that that percentage, like me, will open this particular thread expecting something related to our antiquated albeit better than none transport system: The London Underground. Otu, that's a fair point; I was

Re: [backstage] Making the underground accessible to all

2007-07-29 Thread Dave Crossland
On 29/07/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 27 July 2007 19:03, Dave Crossland wrote: Sun announced an intention to release Java under GPLv2. http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/ Roadmap. What are the remaining key steps that Sun and the OpenJDK community

[backstage] Making the underground accessible to all

2007-07-27 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, Another glimpse at the future of television: http://www.rulecam.net/ted/ (Free software under MIT/X11 style licensing, although its depends on proprietary Java :-( -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Making the underground accessible to all

2007-07-27 Thread Dave Crossland
On 27/07/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun opened Java a while ago: http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/ it's free now. Sun announced an intention to release Java under GPLv2. It is not free now. http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/README.html -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-07-02 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Jason! On 15/06/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't want to get back into this :-) I think this is important, and I hope you do too. So thanks for contributing to the debate :-) DRM is wrong. Pretty much anything that stops the free flow of information and ideas

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-25 Thread Dave Crossland
On 25/06/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could choice in this matter mean that iPlayer is available in one configuration on a TV, and also through a cable set top box? One product. Choice of methods. If the iPlayer did that

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/06/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Backstage is intended, I thought, to be a list for technical discussion of stuff from the BBC you can use for building things. (ie stuff you can take and build things with, rather than things you can't) It's not really the place (IMO) to ask

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18/06/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thankfully we don't have an equivilent of the American DCMA so the media centre hackers have nothing to fear. Sadly we do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Copyright_Directive#Technological_measures -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-16 Thread Dave Crossland
On 16/06/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/06/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It takes people outside the media-land as you put it because the people inside are too ignorant of technology to understand it. Please be aware that your statements in this email can be read as a

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-16 Thread Dave Crossland
On 15/06/07, Ian Betteridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to win over content creators *show* them how they can make as much money through sharing as they can make from restricting sharing. This is like arguing that a dictator will start free elections if it can be down the economy

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 15/06/07, Ian Betteridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pro-am's can do great work (and can graduate to doing it as professionals), but that's not the same as saying the man in the street can walk in and be a top photographer, which is what was stated earlier. It takes a long time to get that

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/06/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/06/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: entirely). And that's why DRM discussion will just go round in circles until someone comes along which exhibits a demonstrable downside, which is both immediately explainable and

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/06/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/06/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: entirely). And that's why DRM discussion will just go round in circles until someone comes along which exhibits a demonstrable downside, which is both immediately explainable and

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-15 Thread Dave Crossland
Good debate :-) On 13/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where is the balance? I believe you're referring to the commonly-held misconception that there is a copyright balance. No, not copyright balance. Economic balance. Apologies for misunderstanding you there :-) Or

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-15 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Jeremy! On 13/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hang on a minute. Didn't i make a plea yesterday not to resurrect this tired old debate. Thanks for posting these blog comments on this topic - appreciated! This debate is not tired or old, and is going to continue in a public

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 14/06/07, Ian Betteridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The market tells me you're wrong: because people still pay for content, a huge amount of it. The people who pay for content production are advertisers. They are becoming more interested in placing ads on digital files than in printed media,

Re: [backstage] DRM does not work... what next?

2007-06-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 15/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your name and logo's would still be covered by Trademark and similar protections. Misrepresenting the source of a good is surely illegal isn't it? Oh - so visual intellectual property is fine, but recorded isn't? Trademark law is

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-14 Thread Dave Crossland
On 14/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't say anything about Coronation Street or things being popular being uncreative – I'm saying it doesn't take anything exceptional to produce much of the media content we have today Community created drama series shows, which could

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-14 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tom! Thanks for the excellent post, lots to think about :-) On 15/06/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if the BBC were to adopt such a 'buy all rights in perpetuity' model, it would mean making far, far fewer programmes, since each programme would have to cost more (*much* more in

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the main point - the BBC is the wrong target here. The BBC is very much the right target. When the trend it to move awayfrom proprietary software and lock-in formats, the the BBC is fastbecoming one large advert for Microsoft. First

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Andrew! Thanks for chipping in with this, it reflects very much what Tom Loosemore said in the Backstage DRM Podcast - that BBC DRM was a regrettable but neccessary evil, done only at the behest of the production companies who feed the BBC. On 12/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on - how many of you have ever heard your mum exclaiming Oh, why does my content have to come with DRM??? My sister had an iPod. Her computer broke. She got a new one. She put the iPod in to copy the music back to the new computer.

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Tim Cowlishaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I, personally, won't be using any CC-NC licenses, and will not recommend them to others Hmmm... this was really my point - by reccomending magnatune's model of selling licences (for commercial re-use of artistic goods that are available

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. That's either your sister not telling the whole truth (Did you click the button that says 'Wipe My iPod?), or Apple's crap software. The alert box your sister would have got actually says: The point isn't the alert box's wording.

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Matt Rink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem is more not that people want rid of DRM just because they can, it's more that ... Alot of average (non-techie) users are buying iPods and using iTunes not realising that everything that what they have downloaded can only be

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DRM MADE MY SISTER CRY. An all-too-common story Thanks for backing me up on this one :-) but (and I hate to say this) it only proves that you need to keep good backups and that the iPod's Music Mode is not a backup (without the use of

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Jeremy! On 12/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - As Richard said..Listen Again will still be available Listen Again is in proprietary Real Media format. The BBC should adopt free formats like Ogg Vorbis. - We will also be working (or already are) on propositions for cable,

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck to ITV.com btw . Has it launched yet ;) The new soaps section of http://www.itv.com has live streams and catch up service right now. Guess that came out this week. I'd say this was the first of its kind in the UK - gratis live

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi David! On 12/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If however you say making a copy of this DVD for your own use (eg in case of damage) is OK but it is wrong to give it away or sell it. Please don't do that. Then you are actually treating the consumer as a reasonable person. No,

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel that GNU Copyleft is inferior to Creative Commons Licences. And GNU Copyleft is a virus. Creative Commons licenses use copyleft, and they recommend the GPL for software. http://creativecommons.org/license/cc-gpl -- Regards, Dave -

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tom! On 12/06/07, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The argument for us for the iPlayer is a bit like the argument for God. Of course, none of us are going to [believe in/use] [God/the iPlayer], we're not that stupid. But the ignorant proletariat out there needs a [comfort blanket/DRM

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi David! On 12/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If however you say making a copy of this DVD for your own use (eg in case of damage) is OK but it is wrong to give it away or sell it. Please don't do that. Then you are

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/06/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: entirely). And that's why DRM discussion will just go round in circles until someone comes along which exhibits a demonstrable downside, which is both immediately explainable and fully obvious to the general tech-using population. Something

[backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-11 Thread Dave Crossland
http://www.freethebbc.info :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

Re: [backstage] London.pm / BBC Backstage Perl Teach-In Day

2007-05-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/05/07, Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And they say that Perl is dead :-) No, just braindamaged. http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt etc ;) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Cridland heads to Beeb

2007-05-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/05/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a CC-licenced JavaScript animation library I'd love to hear about why Virgin is using Creative Commons to license software :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Cridland heads to Beeb

2007-05-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/05/07, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tbites.com/2007/05/cridland-heads-to-beeb Congrats James! leaving after six years to work for the BBC, as Head of Future Media Technology, Audio Music Wow! That's awesome! I've always found James' posts here thoughtful, and wish him

Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2

2007-04-17 Thread Dave Crossland
On 16/04/07, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So currently we have a couple of guests, however... 1. Who should we get on the podcast? Miles Metcalfe was imo the best participant in the first one :-) 2. What subjects would you like us to explorer in the podcast? The obvious stuff

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 13:15 +0100, Dave Crossland wrote: The point about this Apple/EMI deal is that they have costed out thecost of non-DRM. This is very significant, and something MilesMetcalfe suggested in the DRM Podcast. The BBC

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that many CDs have some form of DRM on them. And that recently the publishers stopped putting DRM on CDs, because they've realised that hurting their customers only hurts them. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Jason! On 03/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, of course. However, I said more people put the unDRMed file on the torrents. The file without DRM will be easier to distribute, therefore perhaps more people will. The point about this Apple/EMI deal is that they have costed

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tim! On 03/04/07, Tim Cowlishaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in areas of the world where internet access is not yet as common as here, DRM is much more prevalent, as they are attempting to lock down the recorded music market *before* pervasive internet access becomes a problem for their

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent article from The Register... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/03/emi_apple_drm_analysis/ Concluding line: Do we cease to pay artists completely, or do we move to a model where music is a service? Thanks to EMI and Apple,

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When does radio become a music distribution service? When it goes out over TCP/IP, because of http://streamripper.sourceforge.net People like last.fm are riding a fine line here right? I heard they aren't licensed.

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 02/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd imagine at the quantities that Apple buy bandwidth, the extra cost of delivering the larger file will be negligibly more. Therefore what is this price increase paying for? Potential lost revenue when more people put the unDRMed file on

[backstage] No DRM Sentiment from DMCA

2007-03-25 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, From http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1826/125/ : Bruce Lehman, who now heads the International Intellectual Property Institute ... explained the U.S. perspective in the early 1990s that led to the DMCA (ie. greater control though TPMs) ... acknowledged that our Clinton

[backstage] Cory Doctorow on BBC rights holders

2007-03-09 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, Doctorow mentions the BBC DRM discussions, from the 14th minute of http://www.archive.org/download/OpenViewsCoryDoctorow/t1172602800.ogg -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] BBC on YouTube

2007-03-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 02/03/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might interest some people here. Wow - awesome! Great to see the BBC providing footage in non-DRM formats! Congratulations! The Gnash project (http://gnash.lulu.com) is about to get flash video playback working, so the obstacle to free

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how do you propose to fund a multi-million pound film in a different business model? I don't propose funding a multi-million pound film, so it is not my concern. OK, so this isn't about ethics then, it's about dogmatic laissez-faire

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But change is good. Is it. I think so. There are many rural communities than shun progress alot, and a few like the Amish that do a lot. I like change, because in change there is opportunity :-) I can't see Lord of the Rings ever getting

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But change is good. For someone so enamoured of accusing everyone of having hidden assumptions you are finding it pretty easy to ignore the huge assumption at the centre of your argument. Please explain what you think this is :-) I

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a way you could implement it that doesn't compromise the public at the expense of the people with the temporary monopoly rights? There is a hidden assumption here: that the monopolists are elevated to the same level of importance

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't care if I could only listen to it once and it just blew up Separating fools from their freedom is wrong. The fact that the fools participate voluntarily does not excuse it. DRM is a predatory scheme that creates subjugation. Even

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It never set out to make them happy: It set out to give them freedom. Who would have thought a conversation about the concept of people watching TopGear a couple of days late could end up at this melodramatic line? Who would have thought

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of a workable solution yeah, me neither. so is it ok to say to someone you can't have what you want because even though it's technically possible it is not ethically possible? I don't know. Please explain why permitting the

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In just about every definition, loss can mean being deprived of something, regardless of whether you physically possessed that thing in the first place. What loss are rights holders taking? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-27 Thread Dave Crossland
On 27/02/07, John Drinkwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got similar comments from someone else off-list related to comments i've made here and on the BBC editors site. I'm sorry to hear that - I've been quite vocal about my non-mainstream opinions, and never received such comments. --

Re: [backstage] A couple of things including Arrington

2007-02-26 Thread Dave Crossland
HI James! On 26/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Cranky Geeks this week, one of the studio guests said how splendid oscartorrents.com was, The fact you deliberately linked to a torrent site - thus removing the chance of the oscar winners to earn money from their films,

Re: [backstage] HD-DVD how DRM was defeated

2007-02-24 Thread Dave Crossland
On 24/02/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I joined the backstage mailing list because the description is this: Finally, remember that the noise is the signal. You can't post too much. Deploy filters. - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html -- Regards, Dave

Re: [backstage] HD-DVD how DRM was defeated

2007-02-23 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi James! The poet, the artist, the sleuth - whoever sharpens our preception tends to be antisocial; rarely well-adjusted, he cannot go along with currents and trends. A strange bond often exists among antisocial type in their power to see environments as they really are. Professionalism merges

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-21 Thread Dave Crossland
On 21/02/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Dave. Now I understand. This is a major step Yes, Ian and Matthew are really showing how things should be done! :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20/02/07, John Wesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're using Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 - details here Why not the new version of the Attribution license? ( http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ ) Is there a bit difference? No, because you can upgrade CC licenses to the latest

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20/02/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 15:18 + 19/2/07, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Hi Gordon - nope an honest as you like Creative Commons Licence - no BBC fudge at all. I was thinking of the Creative Archive Licence which is a BBC fudge. I'm not sure why you'd think this, or

Re: [backstage] [DRM] Macrovision response to Jobs' Thoughts On Music

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going into a cinema with a camcorder... That cinema rips on peekvid.com are palatable isn't something HD salesmen and industry professionals seem to really understand, eheh :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion

[backstage] [DRM] Macrovision response to Jobs' Thoughts On Music

2007-02-18 Thread Dave Crossland
http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/macrovision_translation Classic :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive:

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis automatically, too. ... Ultimately, no organisation can spend time servicing 0.01% of people without losing focus for the 99.99% of people. The automation means that you

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/15/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the point, then? Well, the point of the BBC is that, by informing, educating and entertaining everyone in the UK, the population of the UK gains both individually

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crossland
On 14/02/07, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tom! On 14/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crossland
On 09/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you want the BBC to move on from being a broadcaster (which it looks to me like you do!), then engage in the wider political debate about media policy. I'm sorry, not being an industry insider nor experienced politically, I don't really

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2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Yep - the BBC doesn't even own the Daleks...) The BBC owns *half* the daleks - specifically, the look and visual identity. The estate of Terry Nation owns their behaviour. So - if you want to use a picture of a dalek, you approach the BBC.

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2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rubbish, the BBC could have had their cake and eaten it just by threatening to tell the content providers to shove off. The rights holders want their material on the BBC, probably more than the BBC wants any particular piece

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2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/02/07, Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/02/07, Dave Crossland wrote: On 08/02/07, Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deterring the general public from blatant file-sharing. It fails at this purpose. I disagree. It fails at preventing all of the public from sharing

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2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 09/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its deemed 'good enough' for the general public (the vast, vast majority of which just want to watch Eastenders/Dragons Den/whatever the next day). The vast, vast majority of the general public have no problems using the regular

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2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 09/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The purpose of being good enough to satisfy the people that own the rights to the content - and therefore being able to release the content in this manner. You implicitly elevate the people that own the rights to the content above the

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2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that Thanks for taking the time to explain :-) - the writer writes the script, which is subject to the usual literary copyright rules - the contract writers are employed under is some kind of a

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is going to be a (semi-)regular occurrence, could we get a real RSS feed for it? Yes, I'd be in favour of that. I also note that its been published in the free software, open standard, cross platform ogg vorbis format as well as

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-11 Thread Dave Crossland
On 11/02/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignoring the DRM usecase or restricting your computer scenarios, having a secure location for helping check system integrity and protecting the contents of your harddrive, is useful. Sure. When you lose the ability to sign things yourself,

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-11 Thread Dave Crossland
On 11/02/07, Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just reread one of RMS' musings on treacherous computing, and some of what he describes is terrible. But that's not what is on offer! If it was designed to stop your computer from functioning as a general-purpose computer why can I

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