Brian Butterworth wrote:
I thought we were talking about FreeVIEW HD. Freesat is named the
same, Freesat+ is the PVR, Freesat HD is the HD service,
Freesat+ HD is the PVR with HD
We were talking about Freeview, however if it follows the
same conventions as Freesat then Freeview+ can
On a side bar, the estimable @nevali is doing lovely work on an IPTV
interface, incluing a far nicer Freeview logo!
http://emberapp.com/nevali/images/services-menu
a
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Brian Butterworth wrote:
I thought we were
September 30th? Oh no, not again.
This all means I'll have had to retune my mother's TV and Freeview DVD
recorder no fewer than four times within five weeks. She lives within the
Carmel transmitter area, for which the dates were/are:
August 26th (DSO1)
September 9th (S4C moved to Mux B,
What tosh.
2009/9/18 Tom Morris bbtommor...@gmail.com
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 18:19, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
wrote:
BUT
The plus denotes a PVR
and two letter
denote HD
There's no wonder 8% of the public think the TVL pays for ITV
Well, we've got:
* Internet
*
Briefly, DVB-T2 uses MPEG4 delivered in a 30Mbps (compare 18Mbps and 24Mps)
multiplex using 256QAM (compared with 16QAM and 64QAM) with LDPC/BCH error
correction (not FEC) and 32k carriers (compare 2k and 8k).
http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051377
Basically, this is not a
2009/9/17 Brendan Quinn brendan.qu...@bbc.co.uk
Alan wrote:
I assume my topfield HD will be out of date with these proposed
changes?
Ant replied:
You'll need to retune, but the services you currently get on Freeview
should still be available. Think of Freeview + as an optional
Cynically, who wants to guess what proportion of HD Ready TV owners
a) think they're already watching HD content on Freeview
Probably a similar amount to those who have boxes set to 4:3 centre cut
out, which is then stretched to 16:9 by their TV :(
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30 Mbps is a bit of a low estimate for T2.
Wikipedia suggests at least 35.
2009/9/18 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
Briefly, DVB-T2 uses MPEG4 delivered in a 30Mbps (compare 18Mbps and 24Mps)
multiplex using 256QAM (compared with 16QAM and 64QAM) with LDPC/BCH error
correction (not
Freeview+ is the name of the Freeview PVR/DVR. Freeview HD will be called,
Freeview HD.
2009/9/17 Ant Miller ant.mil...@gmail.com
Freeview and freeview+ (as the DVB-T2 carried HD mux is to be called)
will exist in parallel- the number of muxes will drop from 6 to 5, one
will go to DVB-t2,
Please see
http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051316
http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051316and
http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051377
http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051377and (for dates)
Multiplex B aka PSB3 aka BBCB is not VACATED by the BBC, BBC FTV Ltd still
owns the multiplex. It is being used for Freeview HD carrying three (soon
four) public service HD channels.
2009/9/17 Simon Thompson st...@zepler.net
Ofcom is going to use Multiplex B (vacated by the BBC) to provide
Wikipedia is wrong (that's a suprise). The carrying capacity is 30Mbps,
according to the specification.
2009/9/18 Simon Thompson st...@zepler.net
30 Mbps is a bit of a low estimate for T2.
Wikipedia suggests at least 35.
2009/9/18 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
Briefly, DVB-T2
On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 09:54 +0100, Frankie Roberto wrote:
...
If only I could stream BBC iPlayer direct to my TV via my Apple TV
box, I wouldn't really ever need a Freeview HD box.
I have created an iPlayer streaming proxy for Unix/Linux/OSX/Win32 to do
just this. Not actually tried it with an
Last time I checked the Blue book it didn't mention bitrates:
http://www.dvb.org/technology/standards/a122r1.tm3980r7.DVB-T2.pdf
And the last time I saw the chairman of the DVB-T2 technical module speaking
he mentioned 36 Mbps:
2009/9/18 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
Wikipedia is
Poor choice of words by me.
Multiplex B is having the SD channels removed from it and is being converted
to MPEG4 part 10 and DVB-T2 to allow HD channels to be transmitted.
2009/9/18 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
Multiplex B aka PSB3 aka BBCB is not VACATED by the BBC, BBC FTV Ltd
Simon,
I might be wrong, but I'm sure that when you put in the parameters that are
being used in the UK for DVB-T2 you get 30Mbps of post-error corrected data.
It's quite possible that they have changed the parameters to provide
36Mbps, but my understanding was that 30Mbps is what you will get to
Yup, my bad. In my defense, it's all a bit complex, and the slides I
saw didn't make the distinction clear.
Still and all, to get back to the original thread subject, I've seen
no sign of a broadcast flag or even CPCM being shoe horned into either
the DSO or HD roll out.
a
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009
It's not really being converted. The Freeview HD services are a cease and
re-provide.
After switch-over the multiplexes are known as BBCA, D3+4, BBCB, SDN, ARQA
and ARQB or PSB1, PSB2, PSB3, COM4, COM5 and COM6 (plus the MEN mux in
Manchester).
2009/9/18 Simon Thompson st...@zepler.net
Poor
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:01, Mr I Forrester mail...@cubicgarden.comwrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 22:04 +0100, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
I think that there's going to be a lot of unhappy freeview HDTV owners
wondering why the TV they have recently bought isn't picking up the
new HD
Once again, Freeview+ is the PVR, Freeview HD is the HD service
2009/9/18 Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:01, Mr I Forrester mail...@cubicgarden.comwrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 22:04 +0100, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
I think
Brian Butterworth wrote:
Once again, Freeview+ is the PVR, Freeview HD is the HD service
As an aside, the two types of Freesat receiver we have in the office are
marked Freesat HD and Freesat+. But the Freesat+ box does HD as well as
PVR.
--
Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist
I thought we were talking about FreeVIEW HD. Freesat is named the same,
Freesat+ is the PVR, Freesat HD is the HD service, Freesat+ HD is the PVR
with HD...
2009/9/18 Gareth Davis gareth.da...@bbc.co.uk
Brian Butterworth wrote:
Once again, Freeview+ is the PVR, Freeview HD is the HD
Brian Butterworth wrote:
I thought we were talking about FreeVIEW HD. Freesat is named the
same, Freesat+ is the PVR, Freesat HD is the HD service, Freesat+ HD is
the PVR with HD
We were talking about Freeview, however if it follows the same
conventions as Freesat then Freeview+ can mean HD
BUT
The plus denotes a PVR
and two letter
denote HD
There's no wonder 8% of the public think the TVL pays for ITV
2009/9/18 Gareth Davis gareth.da...@bbc.co.uk
Brian Butterworth wrote:
I thought we were talking about FreeVIEW HD. Freesat is named the
same, Freesat+ is the PVR, Freesat
To be honest I saw a lot of confusing presentation of logos in the
DVB-T2 presentation at IBC. It's a personal point but I happen to
think the Freeview logo is an absolute dog of design, and all the +
and HD tack ons are awful. Still waddo I know?!
a
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Brian
Ant,
I totally agree about the Freeview logo. When I was a kid you could get
Cooper Black[1] in Boots The Chemist dry transfer lettering (poor man's
Letraset). Everytime I see it I just think of the layouts I did at school
using a typewriter (before the school has a printer) and Cooper Black.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 15:54, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tvwrote:
Once again, Freeview+ is the PVR, Freeview HD is the HD service
I know that, I was requoting Ant's minor slipup of using Freeview+ for
FreeviewHD
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 18:19, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote:
BUT
The plus denotes a PVR
and two letter
denote HD
There's no wonder 8% of the public think the TVL pays for ITV
Well, we've got:
* Internet
* Internet+ - lets you save files!
* Internet HD - appears in high
I totally agree about the Freeview logo. When I was a kid you could get
Cooper Black[1] in Boots The Chemist dry transfer lettering (poor man's
Letraset). Everytime I see it I just think of the layouts I did at school
using a typewriter (before the school has a printer) and Cooper Black.
2009/9/16 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html
BBC wants to put DRM on the TV Brits are forced to pay for
It's worth noting that this applies ONLY to HD DTV (Freeview), which barely
even exists yet.
So don't throw away your
2009/9/17 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com
It's worth noting that this applies ONLY to HD DTV (Freeview), which barely
even exists yet.
So don't throw away your Freeview boxes just yet. I can't see a switchover
from Freeview to Freeview HD happening any time soon...
This is some
Moreover, you just *know* that within months of any broadcast flag
implementation, the more creative technological tinkerers will have
subverted the flag entirely using commonplace/free equipment and software.
Like region coding, broadcast flags really are an exercise in stupidity and
corporate
2009/9/17 Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk
Moreover, you just *know* that within months of any broadcast flag
implementation, the more creative technological tinkerers will have
subverted the flag entirely using commonplace/free equipment and software.
Like region coding, broadcast
Will we ever see HD freeview though? The bandwidth requirement would
be enormous.
On 17 Sep 2009, at 16:53, Frankie Roberto
fran...@frankieroberto.com wrote:
2009/9/17 Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk
Moreover, you just *know* that within months of any broadcast flag
Freeview and freeview+ (as the DVB-T2 carried HD mux is to be called)
will exist in parallel- the number of muxes will drop from 6 to 5, one
will go to DVB-t2, the other 4 will up their capacity with a little
tweak and reshuffled channels from the flipped mux will be shared
around them. The New
Ofcom is going to use Multiplex B (vacated by the BBC) to provide DVB-T2 HD
services. First region on air is Granada later this year.
2009/9/17 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk
Will we ever see HD freeview though? The bandwidth requirement would be
enormous.
On 17 Sep 2009, at 16:53,
Ant Miller wrote:
Freeview and freeview+ (as the DVB-T2 carried HD mux is to be
called) will exist in parallel- the number of muxes will drop
from 6 to 5, one will go to DVB-t2, the other 4 will up their
capacity with a little tweak and reshuffled channels from the
flipped mux will be
You'll need to retune, but the services you currently get on Freeview
should still be available. Think of Freeview + as an optional
upgrade.
a
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote:
I assume my topfield HD will be out of date with these proposed changes?
I meant in terms of the HD element if they are changing the spec? If
there is a decryption requirement I doubt the Topfield will have it?
On 17 Sep 2009, at 17:52, Ant Miller ant.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
You'll need to retune, but the services you currently get on Freeview
should still be
I don't know the topfield box, but it's unlikely it can decode the new
carrier mode. h.264 it might be able to handle, but it would be a
surprise. So no, the HD will need a new box. Optional upgrade, not a
free upgrade! Though the broadcast service will remain free to air.
a
On Thu, Sep 17,
Alan wrote:
I assume my topfield HD will be out of date with these proposed
changes?
Ant replied:
You'll need to retune, but the services you currently get on Freeview
should still be available. Think of Freeview + as an optional
upgrade.
To which Alun wrote:
I meant in terms of the HD
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 17:29, Ant Miller ant.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
Keeping audiences happy as DSO happens and Freeview+ rolls out is a
critical task,
I think that there's going to be a lot of unhappy freeview HDTV owners
wondering why the TV they have recently bought isn't picking up the
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 22:04 +0100, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
I think that there's going to be a lot of unhappy freeview HDTV owners
wondering why the TV they have recently bought isn't picking up the
new HD channels when they're launched (especially as the TV was
probably sold as HD
I think that there's going to be a lot of unhappy freeview HDTV owners
wondering why the TV they have recently bought isn't picking up the new HD
channels when they're launched (especially as the TV was probably sold as
HD Ready).
Prime opportunity to flog another STB / CAM to correctly
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 15:50 +0100, Christopher Woods wrote:
Moreover, you just *know* that within months of any broadcast flag
implementation, the more creative technological tinkerers will have
subverted the flag entirely using commonplace/free equipment and
software. Like region coding,
On 18/09/2009, Mr I Forrester mail...@cubicgarden.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 22:04 +0100, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
I think that there's going to be a lot of unhappy freeview HDTV owners
wondering why the TV they have recently bought isn't picking up the
new HD channels
At a guess it is the parties that paid large sums of money to acquire
or create the content.
Sent from my dog
On 16 Sep 2009, at 07:52, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv
wrote:
I was going to post about this when I saw the original document, but
I'm ashamed to say I didn't get
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html
BBC wants to put DRM on the TV Brits are forced to pay for
2009/9/16 Rupert Watson rup...@root6.com
At a guess it is the parties that paid large sums of money to acquire or
create the content.
Ah, those lovely people at PACT.
Rupert Watson wrote:
At a guess it is the parties that paid large sums of money to acquire or
create the content.
Boingboing seemed to think it was a DRM consortium that had prompted the
move.
Sent from my dog
Loving it, wish my dog could answer email for me!
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