[backstage] Hello... And who knows what's on TV tonight?
Title: Hello... And who knows what's on TV tonight? Hi all, I feel a bit like the strange kid who joins the class half way through the year :-) As you know Ian and I are now at the helm of the good ship backstage, and we've got some pretty cool ideas (well we think they're cool but it's amazing what you can convince yourself of over a super large starbucks and a cup cake made entirely out of sugar but I digress). In the next week or so we're going to be launching another rather cool competition with some pretty funky prizes (if we can persuade the relevant manufactures to part with them early). But before we launch the comp we thought we'd post a couple of the api's that may be of use the first is one you've all seen before - the BBC Web API to our programme data http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/index.html It's a nice way to consume the TV Anytime data and do some cool mash ups with it. The second api Ian will tell you all about - but it's new and you've not seen it before so stand by your beds. On a more personal note I must point out that you should ignore my personal site and blog they're both rather naff at the moment - no excuses past an argument with my hosting company and trying to move everything - which means I can't access it! But more news on my motorbike blog again soon. If you're interested in what I do outside of work check out http://londonbikers.com m Matthew Cashmore Development Producer bbc.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Cashmore.vcf BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Cashmore;Matthew FN:Matthew Cashmore ORG:;New Media Technology TITLE:Development Producer TEL;WORK;VOICE:- TEL;CELL;VOICE: TEL;PAGER;VOICE: ADR;WORK:;White City - Broadcast Centre LABEL;WORK:White City - Broadcast Centre EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060928T102100Z END:VCARD
RE: [backstage] Hello... And who knows what's on TV tonight?
I'll find out for you Keith... Indians.. Yes I think there are a couple... One's ridden by an elderly New Zealand chap ;-) m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 October 2006 17:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Hello... And who knows what's on TV tonight? Cool, I'm hoping the new APIs are going to include radio programme track listings!? Got any Indians on Londonbikers.com? Keith -- Original Message -- Subject: [backstage] Hello... And who knows what's on TV tonight? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:15:00 +0100 From: Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Hi all, I feel a bit like the strange kid who joins the class half way through the year :-) As you know Ian and I are now at the helm of the good ship backstage, and we've got some pretty cool ideas (well we think they're cool... but it's amazing what you can convince yourself of over a super large starbucks and a cup cake made entirely out of sugar... but I digress). In the next week or so we're going to be launching another rather cool competition... with some pretty funky prizes... (if we can persuade the relevant manufactures to part with them early). But before we launch the comp we thought we'd post a couple of the api's that may be of use... the first is one you've all seen before - the BBC Web API to our programme data http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/index.html It's a nice way to consume the TV Anytime data and do some cool mash ups with it. The second api Ian will tell you all about - but it's new and you've not seen it before so stand by your beds. On a more personal note... I must point out that you should ignore my personal site and blog... they're both rather naff at the moment - no excuses past an argument with my hosting company and trying to move everything - which means I can't access it! But more news on my motorbike blog again soon If you're interested in what I do outside of work check out http://londonbikers.com m Matthew Cashmore Development Producer bbc.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Cashmore.vcf Attachment: Matthew Cashmore.vcf ?___ Don't miss the Autumn Ideal Home Show at Earls Court, London, from the 6th-15th October. Book online now at http://www.autumnidealhomeshow.co.uk and get two tickets for just £15.00! Plus get great home and garden tips at http://www.tiscali.co.uk/lifestyle/homesgardens/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] New backstage.bbc.co.uk website
Title: New backstage.bbc.co.uk website Hi all, We're seriously looking at redesigning and re-launching the backstage website - at the moment we can see these key areas * Blog * News / Announcements * Documentation * Searchable list of all feeds and apis * Showcase and examples of prototypes, as well as a profile page for prolific developers * Calendar of events * Mailing list management (links to archive etc) Is there anything in particular that you guys would find useful, have we missed anything that you'd love to see. And most importantly. Get your design hats on. We're going to commission a designer for the new site and we're happy to take on board any and all ideas you have. Just email me your design ideas and I'll work as hard as I can to integrate them. (PS - my hosting issues are almost sorted well almost. You'll soon be able to read my amazing motor biking blog - www.thelondonbiker.com . Really it's amazing and a little later you'll also see a very fetching photo of me camping on the backstage.bbc.co.uk site.) m Matthew Cashmore Development Producer bbc.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Cashmore;Matthew FN:Matthew Cashmore ORG:;New Media Technology TITLE:Development Producer TEL;WORK;VOICE:- TEL;CELL;VOICE: TEL;PAGER;VOICE: ADR;WORK:;White City - Broadcast Centre LABEL;WORK:White City - Broadcast Centre EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060928T102100Z END:VCARD
RE: [backstage] New backstage.bbc.co.uk website
Actually that's a really good point... One of the things we're going to spend time on is the front page... Taking in issues such as these... Out of interest... How would you like to consume the site... Mobile / www / offline downloads? m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 04 October 2006 13:37 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] New backstage.bbc.co.uk website Matthew, I'd like the site to be accessible, and particularly to people who know nothing of it's purpose. that means clear introduction with purpose and more all in plain English cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 4 Oct 2006, at 13:04, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Hi all, We're seriously looking at redesigning and re-launching the backstage website - at the moment we can see these key areas * Blog * News / Announcements * Documentation * Searchable list of all feeds and apis * Showcase and examples of prototypes, as well as a profile page for prolific developers * Calendar of events * Mailing list management (links to archive etc) Is there anything in particular that you guys would find useful, have we missed anything that you'd love to see. And most importantly Get your design hats on. We're going to commission a designer for the new site and we're happy to take on board any and all ideas you have. Just email me your design ideas and I'll work as hard as I can to integrate them. (PS - my hosting issues are almost sorted... well almost You'll soon be able to read my amazing motor biking blog - www.thelondonbiker.com Really it's amazing... and a little later you'll also see a very fetching photo of me camping on the backstage.bbc.co.uk site.) m Matthew Cashmore Development Producer bbc.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Cashmore.vcf - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] New backstage.bbc.co.uk website
Cool... Thanks Gareth :-) m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gareth rushgrove Sent: 04 October 2006 15:48 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] New backstage.bbc.co.uk website Hi Guys On 04/10/06, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We're seriously looking at redesigning and re-launching the backstage website - at the moment we can see these key areas * Blog * News / Announcements Wouldn't these two be best consolidated into one area. You could always tag certain posts as _news_ or similar and have them appear more prominently? * Documentation Any chance this could be wiki based maybe? or even incorporate some clever re-directory magic (http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-directory)? * Searchable list of all feeds and apis * Showcase and examples of prototypes, as well as a profile page for prolific developers * Calendar of events All useful, relevant microformats as well please (I have a stick, sorry!) * Mailing list management (links to archive etc) Is there anything in particular that you guys would find useful, have we missed anything that you'd love to see. And most importantly Get your design hats on. We're going to commission a designer for the new site and we're happy to take on board any and all ideas you have. Just email me your design ideas and I'll work as hard as I can to integrate them. I liked the idea of it being more open to people not nessesarily wanting to be involved in the development, more just the consumption of the output. Not sure if this is part of the grander plan but would be nice to see - and take some design work in particularly on the home page to get across to those people succinctly. Anyway, just my tuppence. Gareth (PS - my hosting issues are almost sorted... well almost You'll soon be able to read my amazing motor biking blog - www.thelondonbiker.com Really it's amazing... and a little later you'll also see a very fetching photo of me camping on the backstage.bbc.co.uk site.) m Matthew Cashmore Development Producer bbc.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gareth Rushgrove morethanseven.net webdesignbookshelf.com refreshnewcastle.org frontendarchitecture.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Really impressed
Title: Really impressed Really impressed with all the website feedback guys, it's really nice to get some constructive ideas rather than just picking problems with things! I think it shows the strength of the community we have here, and that's something I want to reflects in the website. I'd like to tie up a few of your ideas and try to summarise them, before I start planning the design for the new site * More accessible (to non technical people) but without loosing the depth of information needed in documentation. A non technical area where people can look at / comment on prototypes and ideas (also the ability to submit ideas). * Better navigation / search - being able to search the feed list, the api list or even it's content - being able to find feeds and apis by category and the relevant documentation with ease * Better design - overall, but also including graphical elements that you can use on your own sites and prototypes - perhaps a downloadable collection of graphics that you can use (including good quality BBC logos etc) * A HOWTO on camping * Easy ways to consume the important things like news and the blog, looking particularly at www, rss and mobile * Documentation should be on a wiki * Better separation between submission of ideas, and wanted feeds / apis I can't promise all of this, but I'm going to work very hard to make sure the new site works as well as it possibly can. Matthew (not camping this weekend, it's too wet). PS - You'll notice I've included my phone numbers in my sig now, please feel free to give me a call if you want to discuss anything. Perhaps not at 11pm but anytime during the day is normally good :-) Matthew Cashmore Development Producer bbc.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 8008 3959 07711 913241 Matthew Cashmore.vcf BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Cashmore;Matthew FN:Matthew Cashmore ORG:;New Media Technology TITLE:Development Producer TEL;WORK;VOICE:- TEL;CELL;VOICE: TEL;PAGER;VOICE: ADR;WORK:;White City - Broadcast Centre LABEL;WORK:White City - Broadcast Centre EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060928T102100Z END:VCARD
RE: [backstage] Really impressed
Cheers, thanks for that Richard! ;-) Would you believe my wife is a journalist... She continually goes on about my spelling... It also appears I can't use ' properly... Never mind... Let's get this back on-topic before I get told off ;-) m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 06 October 2006 11:04 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Really impressed A spellchecker? ;-) Cheers, Rich. * More accessible (to non technical people) but without loosing the depth of information needed in documentation. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] RE: hustle
Hi Hannah, Thanks for your email - I'm afraid we don't deal with that information here... we run a technical development programme called backstage http://backstage.bbc.co.uk However, you can use this page http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/contactus/faqs.shtml to find out about BBC programmes or to find the relevant phone number to call and ask. Hope this helps. Kindest Regards Matthew Cashmore Matthew Cashmore Development Producer bbc.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07711 913241 From: Hannah Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 October 2006 06:24To: BackstageSubject: hustle just two quick questions about hustle:when is series 3 coming out on dvd?who does the music for hustle and can i buy/download it?thank you! Hear about latest news and freebies first when you join The Insider Club. http://www.bbc.co.ukThis e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system.Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately.Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received.Further communication will signify your consent to this. BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Cashmore;Matthew FN:Matthew Cashmore ORG:;New Media Technology TITLE:Development Producer TEL;WORK;VOICE:- TEL;CELL;VOICE: TEL;PAGER;VOICE: ADR;WORK:;White City - Broadcast Centre LABEL;WORK:White City - Broadcast Centre EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060928T102100Z END:VCARD
RE: [backstage] Suddenly Everything's Coming up Widgets
I know what you mean about useful widgets... Certainly when I was using Mac OS X there was a great Listen Again BBC Radio widget... But alas, now I'm back in the BBC... and therefore on a PC, and thus Konfa... Sorry I mean Yahoo! Widgets there's no widget that does anything other than lists the live feeds... Time to break out my Yahoo! development kit I think... m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard P Edwards Sent: 09 October 2006 14:16 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Suddenly Everything's Coming up Widgets Personally, I can't wait until the web breaks free of web-browsers, but I don't think that widgets alone are the answer. although the application does take note of the fact that all of us enjoy toasters that make toast, and irons that iron, if you get my meaning. I have been trying to find a useful widget since Mac OS-X came out, I find the web-cams and live weather radar shots to be the biggest reason for me to switch the screen. I have no idea whether any of the BBC radio widgets work any better now, I gave up using them about a year ago. I am also really looking forward to the BBC doing a watch again in the same way that their radio programmes are available. After the success of You-tube, this has to be a certainty to keep up with the future. (Legalities allowing.) I'm intrigued by the new apparent trend in data manipulation. It was noted over the weekend that Google video are changing the viewer counts to put certain videos further down the list... the opposite to natural selection, I suppose, although of course, there are no facts to support this. Allegedly. On 9 Oct 2006, at 12:59, Ian Forrester wrote: A interesting piece by Om Malik for Business 2.0 [1] on the state of widgets --- Breaking down the Web into small, portable pieces is the smart trend that everyone from Nokia to Google is betting on. Then he follows up with a short post on GigaOM [2] What do others feel about the future of widgets? Like I mentioned before Opera are keen on the idea of mobile Widgets, but have yet to show there hand except for in the desktop market [3]. While Nokia just got in on the act and launched widsets [4]. [1] - http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/ 2006/09/01/8384338/ [2] - http://software.gigaom.com/2006/09/11/its-a-widget-world/ [3] - http://widgets.opera.com/ [4] - https://www.widsets.com Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RE: hustle
My mistake I'm afraid guys - it should have been copied to our internal distribution list - but I'm afraid I'm rather a fool when it comes to Microsoft Outlook... Matthew -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 October 2006 15:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Matthew Cashmore Subject: [backstage] RE: hustle At 10:25 +0100 9/10/06, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Hi Hannah, Thanks for your email - I'm afraid we don't deal with that information here... we run a technical development programme called backstage http://backstage.bbc.co.ukhttp://backstage.bbc.co.uk However, you can use this page http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/contactus/faqs.shtmlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/in fo/contactus/faqs.shtml to find out about BBC programmes or to find the relevant phone number to call and ask. Hope this helps. Kindest Regards Matthew Cashmore Matthew Cashmore Development Producer bbc.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07711 913241 Why was the cc'ed to the list? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iCal EPG demo
I really like this... Great idea. m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duncan Barclay Sent: 16 October 2006 21:08 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iCal EPG demo Interesting, and looks like it could potentially be useful. The next thing I would do is go on to have customised listings so that you don't see all the shows that you aren't interested in, although that could be potentially hard to implement depending on how you do it, and possibly try getting data for other channels such as ITV, Channel 4, etc (probably from the radio times site, as I think that is the only place that it is available in a nice format). I can't help but notice that this is your first post on the mailing list, so welcome. Always nice seeing new people around here. Keep up the good work, Duncan Michael Ferenduros wrote: Hello, I noticed the idea on backstage.bbc.co.uk for iCal publishing of the 7day TV/radio feed, so I did a quick prototype. Please check it out, iCals available here: http://mike260.dyndns.org/~mikef/bbc_ical/ It's only tested with iCal, and likely broken for other apps. The server will come and go, and has a pitifully slow internet connection, so please don't rely on it staying put. Annoyingly, if the server's offline then my router may offer you a login into its setup screen - ignore this and try again later. Anyway, it works reasonably well...it's nice to be able to search the telly/radio schedules with spotlight. Comments and suggestions would be much appreciated. Very poor-quality Python source to follow, if anyone wants it. Cheers - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Backstage BBC Widget bash @ Digress City
We've had some great entries so far... I'm still looking for the motorbike specific one.. ;-) I think there's some real mileage in the radio area for widgets... Just not sure how it would all tie together... Any ideas? m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 17 October 2006 13:50 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Backstage BBC Widget bash @ Digress City Hi All, We finally secured a venue for the Backstage Widget Bash. It's a nice place called Digress City near Moorgate Tube. I hope most of you guys can make it, as we will announce the winners of the widget contest on the same night. Hope to see you there... cheers http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2006/10/backstage_bbc_w.html Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC weather IM bots
This is very cool I'm going to blog it if that's okay with you - don't suppose you'd fancy writing a short (100 words) piece to go up with my post? Also would love to put the video of the news 24 stuff up... have you got the video anywhere we can link to or would you like me to put it up somewhere? m From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario MentiSent: 25 October 2006 17:42To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] BBC weather IM bots Using Mike's location OPML (see http://mike260.dyndns.org/~mikef/countries.opml) and the BBC weather feeds, the following experimental IM bots should now be running: MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: bbcweatherJabber/GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED]They're very simple - add them as a new contact and say hello, and take it from there... Cheers,Mario.
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Actually that's a really good point... I wonder if there's anything we can do to make that better? What if we could provide some sort of code repository / version control software for the backstage project that would help people share? M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nic James Ferrier Sent: 01 November 2006 12:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think there is certainly something very different about the backstage development community compared to other developer networks. Not a lot of code does get shared, yes I agree. But I don't believe the reason is because people don't care. Maybe the time just hasn't come up yet or even people feel Backstage isn't the place to get really into the code? I have to say I agree with the original point. Standing on the fringes and contributing a little from time to time I can say that there is not a code sharing atmosphere here. I wonder if that is due to the tone set by BBC which is about controlling media rather than opening it. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Very very very cool... and not just because my name is on there! :-) Ian's use of theword awesome however is a little suspect... especially when you see this http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/282153124/ He's currently suggesting we somehow get his new scooter into the shirt design ;-) tinhat value="on" From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian ForresterSent: 01 November 2006 10:56To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts That is awesome :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario MentiSent: 01 November 2006 10:35To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts On 10/31/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like this idea a lot!I can imagine we could run the mail archives through a tag cloud maker and generate pretty much everything we need. How cool would it be if peoples names came up? :) If you want to see what the current tag cloud may look like (based on the subject lines in the unofficial mail archive), see here: http://menti.net/?p=40Cheers,Mario.
[backstage] News Map
Just came across this map (as I was looking for a Technorati tags plugin for WordPress) built by Ben O'Neill. It's clever, I particularly like the way it loads the last 12 hours of stories, rather than just the live feeds at the moment. It's probably just a few clicks from becoming a widget too. http://benedictoneill.com/content/newsmap/ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 8008 3959 07711 913241 Matthew Cashmore.vcf BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Cashmore;Matthew FN:Matthew Cashmore ORG:;New Media Technology TITLE:Development Producer TEL;WORK;VOICE:- TEL;CELL;VOICE: TEL;PAGER;VOICE: ADR;WORK:;White City - Broadcast Centre LABEL;WORK:White City - Broadcast Centre EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060928T102100Z END:VCARD
RE: [backstage] Sport RSS Feeds?
well there's certainly a Rugby Union feed here http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/sportonline_uk_edition/rugby_union/rss.xml and a league feed here http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/sportonline_uk_edition/rugby_league/rss.xml but I'm guessing you're after deeper club by club feed? The WIL sites carry club information http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/sport/bristol_shoguns/index.shtml which I know is built from internal feeds (I built them). But I can't seem to find public access to those feeds... anyone else know? But frankly the only feed I can see anyone being interested in is the Welsh Rugby feed... but I can't find that either... no one is allowed to mention this weekends game. m From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Goddard Sent: 28 November 2006 14:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Sport RSS Feeds? Does anyone know if there are or plan to be feesd of sport (rugby) leagues on the BBC? -- Lee Goddard Independent Contractor, Software Development/Analysis BBC Radio * Room 718 · Henry Wood Hs · Regents St · London W1 1AA · * 020 776 50849 ♫ lee(at)server-sidesystems.ltd.uk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [backstage] Re: (freeing) content is king
Rewrite MHEG as OpenTV... Silly me m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 29 November 2006 16:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Re: (freeing) content is king Only the BBC would be having a conversation about it's Chairman having to code Perl to get the job... Over at ITV they're talking Ruby, whilst at BSkyB they're wondering what particular version of MHEG their CEO should be using. m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Howe Sent: 29 November 2006 15:54 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Re: (freeing) content is king ah but they could write a perl script automate regulation, then bugger off to play golf ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 29 November 2006 15:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Re: (freeing) content is king Surely, the Chairman decides what he can do. I see no reason at all why the Chairman couldn't hack perl. It's just that most Chairman don't. Well the BBC Chair of the Governers role (soon to be in charge of the BBC Trust - more arms length from the BBC) doesn't - I believe - specify Perl skills, and the chair's employers (essentially the government) might be less than impressed if that's all they did all day, when they should be regulating the BBC ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Site statistics
Wow - I remember building a whole version of the BBC Local Radio pages and some Where I Live sites for cable... That was fun... Let me see if I can find the files, they should still be on live somewhere... m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 11 December 2006 14:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Site statistics Tom: Many thanks for the browser breakdown for November. Interesting that Cable receives also has high a percentage of Safari. I suppose the up-shot is that if you make the decision on which platforms to support from that statistic, if you include Safari, Cable should be there as well. It is possible to browse bbc.co.uk via a cable set top box, however it's not exactly a nice experience (I've tried!) So, I *think* the main reason for cable being there is due to the way that digital text and interactive TV services on NTL and Telewest are delivered. Both NTL and Telewest use Liberate as their middleware, and the version in the UK is based upon HTML 3.2, with various extensions. There are various ways you can get the HTML into the set top box, which I could bore you to death with if you really like, but one method is via a web server - in the BBC's case, the same web servers that run bbc.co.uk also serve up BBCi (the BBC's red button service). - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Techcrunch UK...
Well there's a surprise. How does everyone feel about the current developments? m Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 8008 3959 07711 913241 Broadcast Centre (BC4B5), Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London, W12 7TS Matthew Cashmore.vcf BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Cashmore;Matthew FN:Matthew Cashmore ORG:;New Media Technology TITLE:Development Producer TEL;WORK;VOICE:- TEL;CELL;VOICE: TEL;PAGER;VOICE: ADR;WORK:;White City - Broadcast Centre LABEL;WORK:White City - Broadcast Centre EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060928T102100Z END:VCARD
RE: [backstage] Five Live Partnership - get your idea commissioned.
I think what we'll do is start putting up some ideas from our side, and hopefully you guys will follow suit... The big thing here is how traditional radio, and the 'new world' work at the same time? Gone are the days of me sitting down at 6:30pm and tuning into Radio 4 to catch the latest edition of The Now Show... And for some reason just 28 mins of The Now Show isn't enough With Five Live it's even more intense, sitting here listening to Five Live just isn't enough for me any more - but I also can't be bothered to go and find all the information... Radio will always remain 'the guide' so how can we take that concept further? The serendipity of listening to the radio and discovering things I would never have thought of is missing from my online experience... I'm rambling again now, but this project - as an old radio hand - is something that's really close to my heart. Commissioning wise, it will come down to what Five Live love the best - it could be an amazing idea with no prototype at all, or it could be a prototype that just makes us sit up and say wow We want to know what you want, what feeds, what support, what systems, we need to get in place to make that happen. I don't think I've fully answered your question - but with any luck we can feel our way through this - I don't think running this as a 'competition' with set rules and time frame will work, but suffice to say we'll run this for about two months and see how it plays out. m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose-Carlos Mariategui Sent: 11 January 2007 13:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Five Live Partnership - get your idea commissioned. Dear Matt: Seems very exiting! How will the ideas get commissioned? will there be an Open Call for Projects? All the best, José-Carlos on 11/1/07 7:05, Matthew Cashmore at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the next couple of months backstage and Five Live are teaming up to try and produce some amazing ideas and prototypes. The idea is to place old media and new media right next to one another, compress, mix, add a spoonful of sugar and see what happens. Five Live produces some amazing content, content that lends itself perfectly to being mixed and mashed with a whole hosts of feeds we already provide, and several which we'll be announcing for the first time with this project. We're also going to pull together feeds from other providers (such as The Office of National Statistics) as well as some interesting feeds based around speech recognition and pattern recognition. Brett Spencer is Five Live's Interactive Editor, these are his thoughts; Five Live is already the home of live news and sport. Five Live is THE place for the listener to interact, respond and rant about news, current affairs and issues important to them. But we still have lots to do. Five Live has expanded across the multi-platform environment this year but we want to do a lot more. With your help we would like to find a new way to see what our listeners are thinking, what they are reacting to and how feel about news. What else could they be seeing online while they listen live to the Radio station? How could our radio station join up more effectively with other parts of the web? How can we enable the listener to interact more effectively with us and in turn more effectively with each other via Five Live. We are encouraging people to Be The Editor on a Friday morning when they get to pick the subjects on air. But how we gear our content to what they are talking about with their friends and down the pub on a daily or even hourly basis. Five Live makes extensive use of texts on air, but now so does everybody else. How can we take that to the next stage? With your help we would like to find a way to move our listeners and our on air content even closer to our six million listeners. The potential is huge. Working with you and BBC Backstage we would like to unlock it via an ongoing dialogue around the possibilities available to us. At the end of the partnership backstage will fund the development of the best prototype / idea and Five Live will then commission the prototype to a live bbc.co.uk server. Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 8008 3959 07711 913241 Broadcast Centre (BC4B5), Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London, W12 7TS Matthew Cashmore.vcf - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http
RE: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
Actually there's a really interesting internal trial running across our ROT (Record of Transmission) service, that does speech recognition across an audio stream (TV and Radio) then indexes it to the relevant part of the broadcast file... It's really handy, and because it's a phonetic search engine - actually very useful once you get into your head that English is the most un-phonetic language in the world. I'm working very hard on trying to make a sub-set of this data (Five Live over a week) available in a few formats in connection with the latest call to arms - the Five Live Partnership - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/01/five_live_partn.html But once you've got that stream... What are you going to do with it? m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 11 January 2007 14:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 11 January 2007 13:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles? On 11/01/07, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Does the Copyrights Designs and Patents Act 1988 cover the subtitles associated with a TV channel? Would implementing a search feed, rather than a complete feed be OK with the Act? I would guess (IANAL) subtitles are part of the work, so would be copyrighted for things like dramas (as it's basically the spoken section of the script, more if it includes noises), and you might have fair use for news broadcasts and the like. Google seems to think storing everything for search is okay, so you might be okay there... I'd guess we could implement a search feed without infringing copyright. But in my experience they don't work too well, since you really need to see the context in which a word was used to judge its relevence - and showing the context in text would infringe. Once the iPlayer is up and running (again) then having the program name and an ofset would be useful. At what point would it be illegal to show the context? Would be wrong if the current sentence was use? The current paragraph? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 14:52 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 14:52 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer
I think you make some very valid points there Richard, I just want to show that the BBC is trying very hard to move in a direction that enables the user to have as much control as possible. The News Quiz is a good example - we release the News Quiz via a podcast feed with no DRM at all - but it's only 'live' during the series... once the series is over the feeds go dead - but not the files you've downloaded. This area is highly emotive - I don't think we'll ever find an answer that will make everyone happy, or for that matter will be the best solution for the BBC or the user, or the rights holder... but give us some points for trying! :-) m From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard P Edwards Sent: 05 February 2007 15:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer Hello Matthew, Yes, obviously this is a step in the right direction I looked at that site as soon as it was first released. Which was before I knew anything about GeoIP and the BBC's re-negotiated terms of agreement with PACT, last May, even before the fuss over the Met Office's weather feeds. The UK only clause completely barred and censored me from that content. This is definitely an interesting journey, fraught with difficulties, and I think that it is really important for you at the BBC to realise and take in to account some of what is discussed here. after all it is only a discussion. If my perception is biased or incorrect, then I apologise. Still, there is clearly a collision of two worlds. One being the freedom of data on the net, worldwide the other being how a public corporation controls such data, and who the BBC's shareholders are in that decision. I have learnt much during my time following backstage, and most of it has involved finding possible ways to circumvent the controls that you have put in place. not that I would consider using the data illegally for financial reward at this moment, but I am now very aware that it is possible. I think that Lord Puttnam could do with some more information regarding the possible pitfalls, especially with using the iPlayer. In my experience, as soon as you release the data, whether it be on iPlayer with DRM or not, one has to be totally clear about how it may be abused and to what extent the BBC will defend such abuse as Devil's advocate, how would the BBC sue me and twenty thousand others publicly on behalf of the Rights Holders and make the case for supporting such a waste of money? I think we are all aware from the RIAA's experience of the limitations of that course, and so perhaps it is right to see the opposing perspective... especially where content that the BBC does own copyright for is concerned. I do think that the positive social capital is definitely worth considering. All the best RichE On 4 Feb 2007, at 21:42, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Hi there, Is this not a step in the right direction? http://creativearchive.bbc.co.uk/ Unfortunately we have to actually make things work, and whilst many of us here at the beeb would love nothing more than to release all of our content, like we've done above, the people who own the rights don't want us to... so we're back to Toms point of having to make a stark choice... release what we can using accepted* DRM, or don't release anything... surely it's better to move things on in terms of making the content available via the iPlayer, than to not? * By the rights holders. m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Richard P Edwards Sent: Fri 02/02/2007 19:09 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer Hi Dave, Yes, it was a mistake on my part that I hit reply and the previous email didn't end up on the list. Apologies. As I said at the beginning, it will be interesting to see why anyone believes that DRM is needed on BBC products. So far I have seen no clear reason whatsoever, apart from as you say, a defensive legal willingness to support an old model. Still, I get the feeling that my wish to have access to the BBC archive for free use to remix its content is as yet a dream. :-) All the best RichE On 2 Feb 2007, at 16:49, Dave Crossland wrote: Hi Richard! (I notice you didn't reply to the Backstage mailing list, perhaps in error?) On 02/02/07, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I totally agree that DRM is not a complete answer, but neither is giving it all away for nothing. Copyright was originally
[backstage] Five Live Tonight - Discussion about the death of the print media
Tonight between about 11:30 and 12:30 there's a discussion about magazines and print - asking the question - are they dead? This comes off the back of EMAP issuing it's second profits alert in a year, it's chief executive Tom Moloney admitted that EMAP face structural difficulties in its glossy magazines and radio business publications... I'll be taking part in the debate tonight, and I'll be arguing that newspapers and magazines are heading for the great recycling bin in the sky. Remember that there's still a commission up for grabs with our Five Live Initiative - best idea / prototype will receive funding to build a fully functional prototype (worth about 2.5k) that will then be taken to a live service on bbc.co.uk - so get your thinking caps on - and let me know if there's anything you need to make this happen initial thoughts on my part is some kind of basic Yahoo! widget (or similar) that uses the TV anytime data, and perhaps some other information like speech recognition - to present me with a dynamic collection of information and data around that topic - perhaps also using the text data feeds too? I think we'll be calling time on this one towards the end of Feb so get going! (oh and tune into Five Live this evening or on Listen Again to hear the debate :-) ) m
RE: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
It's okay we're not automating it ;-) I did it by hand... The old fashioned way... The way my Grandfather thought me Well you get the point - it took me all of 3 minutes to do, and given our audience... BUT the interesting point is... Downloads wise this is how it stacks up... MP3 - 5117 OGG - 643 WAV - 38 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 19 February 2007 09:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC The automation means that you don't lose any focus. Erm right, I mean, apart from the time you spend building the automation into your production process. And then fixing it when it goes wrong. And patching and sysadmining the servers running the automation. And having someone who understands how to support the system. And briefing your customer service team about it in case they get queries etc etc On 18/02/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis automatically, too. ... Ultimately, no organisation can spend time servicing 0.01% of people without losing focus for the 99.99% of people. The automation means that you don't lose any focus. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] DRM Podcast Video
Sorry this took longer than planned but the video of the DRM Podcast is now available the low quality version is here http://blip.tv/file/152907 Again it¹s a Creative Commons Attribution licence. I¹ll get the HQ version up tomorrow when I can persuade our network that 790mb of video isn¹t a bad thing, and that it should let me upload it :-) I¹ll add both the videos to the RSS feed for the podcast here in the morning. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/podcast/backstage.xml m - Matthew Cashmore Development Producer Research Development Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0208 008 3959 07711 913241 Broadcast Centre (BC4B5), Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London. W12 7TS
RE: [backstage] A couple of things including Arrington
Here's the short clip of that video with just Michael's comments, and the reaction - it's about 30 seconds in... Ian's coffee doesn't make an appearance but his rather loud WHAT!?... does :-) http://blip.tv/file/154710/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ian Forrester Sent: Thu 2/22/2007 8:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] A couple of things including Arrington I remember looking around and there was a camera man but he kept moving around with his huge betacam. So I expect there was no official recording because of the shifting around. There was also no real powerful amplification of voices besides the little tinny speakers in the desks. However there were at least 70 people in that large room, and trust me bullsh*t was used. I have the whole video if you want to watch it for context is here (still waiting for Blip to transcode it to Flash) - http://blip.tv/file/154369/ I'm surprised no one else has blogged it, Suw must have missed the discussion which took place at lunchtime - http://strange.corante.com/ Oh well, another reason to start a UK Valleywag? Hummm, shall I stick that in the ideas section? Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com || geekdinner.co.uk From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of blogHUD Sent: 22 February 2007 19:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A couple of things including Arrington could*nt* hear... - sorry On 2/22/07, blogHUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i tried processing the audio through 'Levelator' (an audio normalisation app) as the original panel audio was waaay quieter than Ian spitting out his coffee ;) I could quite hear the context before he said if, in the video, but he did say 'this is bullsh*t' before saying it. hopefully some kind of 'official' recording of this event will surface at some stage. ;) On 2/22/07, Scot McSweeney-Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blogHUD wrote: I have posted the audio here: http://kosso.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/techcrunchs-mike-arrington-calls-for-the-end-of-the-bbc/ http://kosso.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/techcrunchs-mike-arrington-calls-for-the-end-of-the-bbc/ http://kosso.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/techcrunchs-mike-arrington-calls-for-the-end-of-the-bbc/ http://kosso.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/techcrunchs-mike-arrington-calls-for-the-end-of-the-bbc/ download! share! mock! taunt! ;) Maybe I'm going deaf, but the audio isn't audible - I've got my speakers turned up full blast, and while there is enough sound to know that there is something there, it's still not audible. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Bug report: backstage.bbc.co.uk
Joy :-) - Thanks for pointing that out James will try to sort now - I hate MT. m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of James Cridland Sent: Tue 27/02/2007 20:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Bug report: backstage.bbc.co.uk On http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ there's a blog, and the main item of the blog is currently 'More Twitter Hacks and BBC Goodness'. Click the headline, to be rewarded by a 404 error. (Or, worse, click the 'see original' link in the RSS feed to be rewarded by a 404 error). And now I can't blog about that posting and how, on reflection, wrong it is. Bah. It's a conspiracy. -- http://james.cridland.net/
RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
Hi David - we're looking into this issue - we'll let you know what we're going to do :-) m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dave Crossland Sent: Tue 27/02/2007 14:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Matthew Cashmore; Ian Forrester Subject: Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM? On 27/02/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pay for your email service, you fucking tightwad, and you might have a vaguely moral place from which to make your tiny cock point. The list's House Rules are simple: Be Nice To Each Other and Don't Break The Law. If you are rude or spam the list then you'll be taken off. - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html Will this policy be acted upon? -- Regards, Dave http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
RE: [backstage] University Tour update
The preparations are ready, the tour bus is stocked with beer and MMs with all the blue ones taken out - tomorrow we head north! Well, truth be told the hire car has arrived, I've plugged the sat nav in and I've put a tin of travellers sweets in the glove box... but that wont stop us :-) It's really worth coming along to some of these events, as we'll also be announcing some very exciting new jobs at Radio 1 - so dig out your Sunday best - we'll see you some time this week :-) m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mr I Forrester Sent: Sun 3/11/2007 06:09 To: BBC Backstage Subject: [backstage] University Tour update Hi All, The backstage university tour continues this week. *Newcastle* Monday evening we're at the other bar in Newcastle for a social event, which your all invited to. - http://upcoming.org/event/162050/. Tuesday were at Newcastle University during the day, and a few of us might go out for a meal afterwards. On Wednesday were at Northumbria University before driving home. *Ravensbourne, London* Thursday afternoon/early evening we're going to fight it out with the SU night at Ravensbourne college. I'm sure some of us will end up at La Pasta in Bromley at some point afterwards. *Hull* Friday were up in Hull University but the Scarborough Campus. We're talking after lunch and we're trying to arrange something for Friday night. Hope to see a lot of you guys next week. If we have missed your area, don't worry. The Backstage Tour starts again in September with Brighton, Cornwall, Warwick, Glasgow, Liverpool, Swansea, Bristol high on our list. Once again if you know of a University or College which could be of interest to us, please drop us a email off the list. Cheers, Ian Forrester - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Hack Day 2007! Get your diaries / ical / outlook / ipod / phone / wall chart out
As many of you may have already heard through the geek grape vine (GGV 2.0) ;-) The BBC and Yahoo! are planning to get together to hold 48 hours of hacking madness this summer. Over the weekend of June 16th and 17th we plan to see over 400 developers and designers from all over Europe heading to Alexandra Palace in London to hack the hell out of our APIs and various feeds and systems. Plenty of help will be on hand if you're new to the scene, or if you just want to push the envelope with your ideas and prototypes. We plan to finish the event with a huge concert (band is top secret - more details via GGV I'm sure) and party open to over 1000 people we hope. The formal announcement and sign up will go live soon - so block the dates out of your diary and get those laptops charging. -- Matthew Cashmore Development Producer Future Media Technology, Research Development Technology 07711 913241 [EMAIL PROTECTED] BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, 201 Wood Lane, London. W12 7TS
Re: [backstage] Cool tech jobs
Genius thanks Dan for all the guys and girls who sent me stuff after the Uni Tour a couple of weeks ago this is what you¹re after get onto the site and find out more. Can I apply Dan ;-) m On 5/4/07 13:32, Daniel Heaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi backstagers, Although I've been a fan of backstage and worked on quite a few products seen here I've never posted to this discussion list before so I thought I'd better introduce myself. I work for the BBC, specifically looking after the digital futures of Radio 1, 1Xtra and Teens. I know it's not normal to post about BBC jobs going here but there are some specific tech roles I thought the backstage community might be interested in. Basically, the BBC, like other broadcasters, knows it's got loads to do if it wants to continue to engage young audiences. This is where Project T (working title only!) comes in. Project T aims to bring together existing BBC content and make some new multi-platform material for 12-17 year olds. To help us develop new sites and services for teenagers we're building a small, independent and agile digital lab operating with start-up mentality and capable of iterating quickly. We're currently recruiting software engineers, client side developers, designers, writers and producers. Based in W1, we see the team working as a close unit with loosely defined roles. We want software engineers that want to write both sort of scripts and CSDs who fancy shooting film and producing! If you're interested in the future of the web, young audiences and want to get stuff live fast check out this rather embarrassing BBC jobs link http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/projectbbct/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/projectbbct/ . Dan ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] BBC Freesat and OpenTV
Hi Brian, Thanks as ever for your comments and questions - but I wonder if the BBC's developer community mailing list is the place for this question? You may have better luck, with a more informed response, by putting the question to the relevant arm of the BBC - for the moment I'm not sure who that is, but contact me off-list and I'll try to get you connected to the right person. Kindest regards Matthew On 9/4/07 23:47, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I trust everyone had a great Easter... I have a quick question that's been troubling me for a while. Will the planned BBC Freesat service use OpenTV and the Sky EPG, or will there be an open EPG and some other form of interactive service? If it's not OpenTV, will this mean that all the interactive service's content will need to be rebroadcast? I would also love to know when the service starts and if ITV are still involved (or has Sky owning them made them drop out?) Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Freesat and OpenTV
Hi Brian - let's take this off-list now please. m On 10/4/07 13:55, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh right I thought that as there were quite a few BBC development people on here, someone might know... It is a system being developed by the BBC... I've tried lots of other approaches and I've had a stonewall for the last 18 months... Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 10 April 2007 11:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Freesat and OpenTV Hi Brian, Thanks as ever for your comments and questions - but I wonder if the BBC's developer community mailing list is the place for this question? You may have better luck, with a more informed response, by putting the question to the relevant arm of the BBC - for the moment I'm not sure who that is, but contact me off-list and I'll try to get you connected to the right person. Kindest regards Matthew On 9/4/07 23:47, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I trust everyone had a great Easter... I have a quick question that's been troubling me for a while. Will the planned BBC Freesat service use OpenTV and the Sky EPG, or will there be an open EPG and some other form of interactive service? If it's not OpenTV, will this mean that all the interactive service's content will need to be rebroadcast? I would also love to know when the service starts and if ITV are still involved (or has Sky owning them made them drop out?) Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data
Michael - this is fantastic - I love the way this works. We're having a few problems with the current backstage site as most of you know - it's kinda held together with spit, hope and sticky back plastic (the old stuff Blue Peter don't want). But we're well on the way to having our new sparkly new site live and ready to go - just hold on for a couple of weeks and we're away! m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael Pritchard Sent: Tue 4/10/2007 16:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data Hi All, i posted this a week or so to the backstage site but it hasn't been posted so I thought i'd send it here. In the absence of any GeoRss support to the backstage travel data feeds I've produced my own from the tpeg files. see http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/about_geoRss.html, includes details on adding them to google maps. all data available from http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/travel_data/ any comments freely accepted. Thanks, Michael -- -- Michael Pritchard Web :: http://www.blueghost.co.uk GMail:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- winmail.dat
Re: [backstage] Hack day in London
Hey we¹d be thrilled if you¹d come too! It¹s going to be an absolute blast. The Yahoo! One in the states last year was really successful and I think that we can do better. The cool thing this year is that it¹s Yahoo! and the BBC, there¹s going to be so much going on I was up at Alexandra Palace on Monday doing a walk through and working out how the wi-fi is going to work (not to mention where we¹re going to put the stage for the band - it¹s not Beck). I appreciate the language on the site isn¹t grand I¹m not happy with it either but you know how these things go once the lawyers get their hands on things... I promise it¹s going to be very cool. The important thing for us is that it¹s an event for hackers not business networkers 400 people who actually build stuff in one room, with pizza, beer, wi-fi and cool swag... Come on... How can you say no! So Go sign up now... (and ignore the language!) http://hackday.org m On 19/4/07 10:22, Richard Hyett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The invitation to the Google Developers Day was a little bit more informative, and they were 'thrilled' I wanted to come. The hackday page stresses that my credentials will be inspected. Not sure that i want to have my credentials inspected.
Re: [backstage] Hack day in London
Lol! I think you might be a bit old school ;-) m On 19/4/07 11:45, oliver wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've signed up, but know whos - am I l33t geek enough :) ? On 4/19/07, gareth rushgrove [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll I've signed up. I'm now just hoping I get picked! Who do we have to bribe again? G On 19/04/07, Tom Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Richard, The language on the site is a bit formal, I know, but really it's with the best of motives. We want to make sure that people who can build and make things will be able to come and that they won't be squeezed out by a bunch of people looking to boost their Linked In profiles. I think Matt and Ian will be posting more here shortly about the day, and there's more information on my site and the Yahoo Developer Network site in the meantime. Tom Coates http://www.plasticbag.org/ On 19 Apr 2007, at 10:22, Richard Hyett wrote: On 19/04/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the one we want you all signed up too. http://hackday.org The invitation to the Google Developers Day was a little bit more informative, and they were 'thrilled' I wanted to come. The hackday page stresses that my credentials will be inspected. Not sure that i want to have my credentials inspected. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gareth Rushgrove morethanseven.net http://morethanseven.net webdesignbookshelf.com http://webdesignbookshelf.com refreshnewcastle.org http://refreshnewcastle.org frontendarchitecture.com http://frontendarchitecture.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] Hack day in London
Anything you want - anything at all :-) Once you know you've been accepted you can do as much prep as you like - it's all good. m On 19/4/07 15:48, Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a great event. Can any language/technology be used? RoR, Java, C#? Is all the hacking done on the weekend? Or do people do prep before hand? When do we find out if we have been accept/invited? Ben On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim - sure thing! the beauty of hack days is to make stuff - linking tech with electronics and you know, sewing. :) besides, i've got a stack of shirts. ;p - james On 19 Apr 2007, at 15:13, Kim Plowright wrote: Well - I ruled myself out of the running for this as frankly, I'm great at drawing, cooking, sewing and making stuff (among other ladylike pursuits), but rubbish at coding and electrickery. Tom C left a comment suggesting I find a group of people to team up with. So if anyone wants a hack-team-mother-figure, let me know! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Cowlishaw Sent: 19 April 2007 13:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Hack day in London On 4/19/07, oliver wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've signed up, but know whos - am I l33t geek enough :) ? ha! my thoughts exactly are design-y CSS / HTML -type people welcome at these sort of events? If not, I'll have to finish working my way through 'Thinking in Java' by June... or just learn RoR. ;-) Cheers, Tim -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial
It¹ll take a few weeks I would imagine before you¹ll hear much the list is getting blasted at the moment as you¹d expect! I¹ll post up more information as I know it. m On 19/4/07 15:53, Paul Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know when we will hear if we are in or not? (Or is the fact that I've not heard mean I'm not in?) Paul (Long Time Lurker) On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:39, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have certified users (ie, license fee payers ;)) only which would permit some kind of higher bandwidth product. I've never really felt comfortable with distributed P2P for content that I've paid for. It's great when bittorrent is used for transfering ubuntu iso's around (as it's members of a community helping others in the same community), it's less great but at least makes some sense when it's used for piracy (as it's still a members of a community helping other members in a community, all be it an illicit one) but when it comes to content that I'm paying somebody to send to me, I don't see why I should waste my upload bandwith for someone else's business model. Even with content from the BBC, I pay the licence fee so why should I pay in bandwidth as well? Fair enough, but i love the fact I can grab an ISO or ... er... certain content very rapidly using the P2P model. Since I pay a flat rate anyhow, and i've got loads of upload bandwidth to use, I'm not that fussed. :) - james - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] Hack day in London
Wonder who¹ll be working on that then? ;-) On 19/4/07 16:44, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there will be a small but deadly group of XSL developers working together on some killer web applications. Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cox Sent: 19 April 2007 16:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Hack day in London I'd love to see some cool stuff hacked with as/apollo/flex/etc. a sneaking suspicion tells me that we have all the components to step away from the constrictions of the browser (specifically, dealing with IE) and instead run platforms which are just that little bit easier i was initially thinking a flickr app which used voice activated commands to browse tags etc... you'd have a big screen which you spoke to, and from v.a. an apollo app flickr api interaction shame i can't find good quality voice activation. :) - james On 19 Apr 2007, at 16:02, cisnky wrote: Actionscript ? On 4/19/07, Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a great event. Can any language/technology be used? RoR, Java, C#? Is all the hacking done on the weekend? Or do people do prep before hand? When do we find out if we have been accept/invited? Ben On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim - sure thing! the beauty of hack days is to make stuff - linking tech with electronics and you know, sewing. :) besides, i've got a stack of shirts. ;p - james On 19 Apr 2007, at 15:13, Kim Plowright wrote: Well - I ruled myself out of the running for this as frankly, I'm great at drawing, cooking, sewing and making stuff (among other ladylike pursuits), but rubbish at coding and electrickery. Tom C left a comment suggesting I find a group of people to team up with. So if anyone wants a hack-team-mother-figure, let me know! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Cowlishaw Sent: 19 April 2007 13:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Hack day in London On 4/19/07, oliver wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've signed up, but know whos - am I l33t geek enough :) ? ha! my thoughts exactly are design-y CSS / HTML -type people welcome at these sort of events? If not, I'll have to finish working my way through 'Thinking in Java' by June... or just learn RoR. ;-) Cheers, Tim -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] Google Developer Day
I'll send you more stuff if you wear ours!? ;-) m On 19/4/07 17:16, gareth rushgrove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too. Mmmm. Now need to decide whether to wear the backstage Tshirt (easily spotted by others on the list) or the Yahoo Tshirt (just for giggles) G On 19/04/07, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm there, cool! On 16/04/07, Tom Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've sent an email to the Developer Day address asking if that thank you for your RSVP email means that I've been accepted. There's only a few cheap train tickets left, but I'd like to make sure I'm confirmed before booking! -- Tom Squiggle . wrote: Likewise. Yay! (I think) On 4/16/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I registered and I think was accepted. Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com || geekdinner.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- John Griffiths » w: http://www.red91.com » e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] » skype: SGMUSE ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Hardware at Hack Day [was -Re: [backstage] Hack day in London]
Hey Chris really good point actually and it¹s not something we¹ve considered at all let me take this up and see what we can come up with I must admit we did assume that people would bring their own kit Leave it with me. m On 19/4/07 18:20, Chris Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in attending the hack day, but what is the deal with regards to hardware. What will we be hacking on? I ask as I don't own a laptop myself at the moment, and don't fancy lugging my desktop to London! Is the idea to work in teams with people who have got the hardware? Cheers, Chris On 19/04/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonder who'll be working on that then? ;-) On 19/4/07 16:44, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there will be a small but deadly group of XSL developers working together on some killer web applications. Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cox Sent: 19 April 2007 16:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Hack day in London I'd love to see some cool stuff hacked with as/apollo/flex/etc. a sneaking suspicion tells me that we have all the components to step away from the constrictions of the browser (specifically, dealing with IE) and instead run platforms which are just that little bit easier i was initially thinking a flickr app which used voice activated commands to browse tags etc... you'd have a big screen which you spoke to, and from v.a. an apollo app flickr api interaction shame i can't find good quality voice activation. :) - james On 19 Apr 2007, at 16:02, cisnky wrote: Actionscript ? On 4/19/07, Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a great event. Can any language/technology be used? RoR, Java, C#? Is all the hacking done on the weekend? Or do people do prep before hand? When do we find out if we have been accept/invited? Ben On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim - sure thing! the beauty of hack days is to make stuff - linking tech with electronics and you know, sewing. :) besides, i've got a stack of shirts. ;p - james On 19 Apr 2007, at 15:13, Kim Plowright wrote: Well - I ruled myself out of the running for this as frankly, I'm great at drawing, cooking, sewing and making stuff (among other ladylike pursuits), but rubbish at coding and electrickery. Tom C left a comment suggesting I find a group of people to team up with. So if anyone wants a hack-team-mother-figure, let me know! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Cowlishaw Sent: 19 April 2007 13:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Hack day in London On 4/19/07, oliver wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've signed up, but know whos - am I l33t geek enough :) ? ha! my thoughts exactly are design-y CSS / HTML -type people welcome at these sort of events? If not, I'll have to finish working my way through 'Thinking in Java' by June... or just learn RoR. ;-) Cheers, Tim -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: Hardware at Hack Day [was -Re: [backstage] Hack day in London]
I'm scouring our old server rooms as we speak. m On 20/4/07 12:06, Tom Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah! Cashmore to the rescue! On 20 Apr 2007, at 10:46, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Hey Chris really good point actually and it¹s not something we¹ve considered at all let me take this up and see what we can come up with I must admit we did assume that people would bring their own kit Leave it with me. m On 19/4/07 18:20, Chris Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in attending the hack day, but what is the deal with regards to hardware. What will we be hacking on? I ask as I don't own a laptop myself at the moment, and don't fancy lugging my desktop to London! Is the idea to work in teams with people who have got the hardware? Cheers, Chris On 19/04/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonder who'll be working on that then? ;-) On 19/4/07 16:44, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there will be a small but deadly group of XSL developers working together on some killer web applications. Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:owner- backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cox Sent: 19 April 2007 16:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Hack day in London I'd love to see some cool stuff hacked with as/apollo/flex/etc. a sneaking suspicion tells me that we have all the components to step away from the constrictions of the browser (specifically, dealing with IE) and instead run platforms which are just that little bit easier i was initially thinking a flickr app which used voice activated commands to browse tags etc... you'd have a big screen which you spoke to, and from v.a. an apollo app flickr api interaction shame i can't find good quality voice activation. :) - james On 19 Apr 2007, at 16:02, cisnky wrote: Actionscript ? On 4/19/07, Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a great event. Can any language/technology be used? RoR, Java, C#? Is all the hacking done on the weekend? Or do people do prep before hand? When do we find out if we have been accept/invited? Ben On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim - sure thing! the beauty of hack days is to make stuff - linking tech with electronics and you know, sewing. :) besides, i've got a stack of shirts. ;p - james On 19 Apr 2007, at 15:13, Kim Plowright wrote: Well - I ruled myself out of the running for this as frankly, I'm great at drawing, cooking, sewing and making stuff (among other ladylike pursuits), but rubbish at coding and electrickery. Tom C left a comment suggesting I find a group of people to team up with. So if anyone wants a hack-team-mother-figure, let me know! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Cowlishaw Sent: 19 April 2007 13:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Hack day in London On 4/19/07, oliver wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've signed up, but know whos - am I l33t geek enough :) ? ha! my thoughts exactly are design-y CSS / HTML -type people welcome at these sort of events? If not, I'll have to finish working my way through 'Thinking in Java' by June... or just learn RoR. ;-) Cheers, Tim -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http:// www.imajes.info/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http:// backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http:// backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/ backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage
Re: [backstage] The real backstage story?
I think this would make a very interesting series of podcasts... Looking at the technical history of bbc.co.uk and how it developed and launched - and how it's evolved, and finally how it's moving forward. Of course we'd have to have an episode demonstrating how much tape, elastic bands and sheer will of God holds the whole thing together. m On 22/4/07 13:42, Lamptey, Derryck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RoR, spring, hibernate Dotnet, java, php, etc, etc. What is the real backstage story? I'd find it very informative for someone to give us non-BBC-backstagers (without violating what's left of the official secrets act) some sort of overview of how the (impressive) Beeb backstage infrastructure is put together. It would be interesting to hear in (episode 1) when it started, and what backstage technologies were used (episode 2) current infrastructure in the context of lessons learned, (episode x) future directions? I think that this would make a riveting series - the program director for click online might even get stuck in on this one! ...Lots of opportunities for us backstagers to engage in constructive and thought-provoking discussion... I am a newbie to the list, I hope that this is not a RTFM type of question!! Thx. Derryck (sent from RIM handheld) -- Derryck Lamptey, IT Specialist Infrastructure Technology Solutions TD Bank Financial Group Addr: Scarborough Operations Centre 740 Progress Ave, 3rd Floor Scarborough, ON, M1H 2X3 Desk: (416) 307 0124 Mobile: (416) 318 9701 Fax: (416) 982 4512 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Group: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITYThis communication including any information transmitted with it is intended only for the use of the addressees and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you receive this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. If the above disclaimer is not properly readable, it can be found at www.td.com/legal AVERTISSEMENT DE CONFIDENTIALITE Ce courriel, ainsi que tout renseignement ci-inclus, destiné uniquement aux destinataires susmentionnés, est confidentiel. Si vous nêtes pas le destinataire prévu ou un agent responsable de la livraison de ce courriel, tout examen, divulgation, copie, impression, reproduction, distribution, ou autre utilisation dune partie de ce courriel est strictement interdit de même que toute intervention ou abstraction à cet égard. Si vous avez reçu ce message par erreur ou sans autorisation, veuillez en aviser immédiatement lexpéditeur par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen et supprimer immédiatement cette communication entière de tout système électronique. Si l'avis de non-responsabilité ci-dessus n'est pas lisible, vous pouvez le consulter à www.td.com/francais/legale - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Who would you like to see at Hack Day?
We¹ve been getting a lot of requests from other companies to be involved in Hack Day, and we¹re wondering how best to handle it so I thought I¹d ask you guys - you always know best. So the options are pretty much let anyone come, loads of branding, set up stalls etc much like a conference. Or We could say send only actual real developers to help people build stuff Or... We could say sorry no we¹d rather you didn¹t come at all I think the second option is the best, but what do you think? Also.. . Is there anyone in particular you think would be helpful to have at the event? BTW There¹s still places available but they¹re going fast, so if you¹ve not signed up yet I¹d get your application in quick smart http://hackday.org m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] Who would you like to see at Hack Day?
Should be a couple of weeks... There's LOADS of people to get through :-) m On 2/5/07 12:18, Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, send only real developers to help people. This would be good for the company as it allows them to have some representation but also the attendees as they will have support when building the app. When do we find out if we are on the list to get in? :) I'm really looking forward to it. But I don't think I know anyone else going :( Ben On 02/05/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been getting a lot of requests from other companies to be involved in Hack Day, and we're wondering how best to handle it so I thought I'd ask you guys - you always know best. So the options are pretty much let anyone come, loads of branding, set up stalls etc much like a conference. Or We could say send only actual real developers to help people build stuff Or... We could say sorry no we'd rather you didn't come at all I think the second option is the best, but what do you think? Also.. . Is there anyone in particular you think would be helpful to have at the event? BTW There's still places available but they're going fast, so if you've not signed up yet I'd get your application in quick smart http://hackday.org m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DO NOT USE THIS COMPANY
Perhaps we could get all this info in some kind of digestible feed.. That way it would make more sense on this list ;-) m On 2/5/07 17:38, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These horror stories remind me of the companies who either accost you in the street or cold-call your mobile promising cut-price tariffs, but who don't actually work for the companies they sell contracts for - it all seems very shady stuff to me, even if they are legit. Those 6 month free deals where you send in your previous bills to get credit are all very dodgy too, even if people (including some of my coursemates) do it - I don't like the idea of handing over bills containing personal details to some random company I don't even know much about. What protection do you have? Why even bother with third party mobile companies when you can get pretty good deals through their retail outlets? I got a brand new smartphone for not a lot (less than I'd paid the previous year for an older smartphone with O2), and a great deal on a contract with unlimited data, and that was with T-Mobile retail (and I've not seen a better deal online yet)... I know these emails are a bit OT, but does anybody have a recommendation or list of reputable third-party mobile companies through which you can buy contracts which are cheaper than going direct to retail? Reply off-list if you have info but don't want to add another message to the thread (though I don't think many people would mind personally). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2007 16:34 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] DO NOT USE THIS COMPANY Quoting Timothy-john Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi I just been ripped off! Tried to get a new mobile and used this company - they charged a non-refundable £199.00 to my credit card - even though their webiste says its 1.99 - after a week of phoning them they are refusing to give it back! they are called mobilerainbow.co.uk DO NOT USE THEM! I would suggest calling your credit card company and initiating a charge-back for a dispute. Give them all the details, and in my experience they side with you and give the money back. I'm not sure of the equivilent for a debut card transaction. I see your mobilerainbow.co.uk, and raise you; http://www.themobileoutlet.co.uk I spoke to them over a week ago, and ordered a phone. They said its in stock, and can be delivered in 2-3 days. Now they are saying that they are waiting for a delivery and have no idea when I can get it. Also they want to charge £20 to cancel the order, and they are not answering the customer services numbers, nor answwering emails. When I finally get through, they said they would ring back, and then they would email. But nothing. Tom This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Developer Day - places confirmed
Lol me too! On 16/5/07 11:39, Jonathan Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just got my google developer day confirmation through (yay!) and the line-up has been announced, including a session from our own Mr. Forrester... Title: BBC Backstage Speaker: Ian Forrester, Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Session abstract: Backstage : memes, prototyping and being social in the face of a rapidly accelerating future. There's a couple of google-centric API sessions which look interesting. It seems there's been a change of location as well. On a similar note, is anyone thinking of organising a meet-up around the time of the event seeing as a good number of geeks will be in the capitol around then? ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] Hack Day - invites our out
Fantastic news! The first lot of invites for Hack Day have gone out, if you've applied you should be hearing from us today or over the next week or so, just shy of 300 invites went out today and there's a couple more 100 to follow. It's getting a bit exciting now with only four weeks to go, so if you want to come along I suggest you get your name down ASAP to make sure you're in the next round of invites - you can do that over at http://hackday.org If you've already had your invite (or even just signed up) then let the world know with these very funky badges - http://www.hackday.org/badges/ - gotta love the colours! m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
I've no idea whether any of this is true, since I don't work for the BBC. .. yet. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 30 May 2007 23:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 Here's my guess as to why the BBC dab services have changed... Most people tune using the short-name - which have all now changed so they work in sequence as you tune in. So you get BBC R1, BBC R1X, BBC R2, BBC R3, BBC R4, BBC R5L, BBC R5SX, etc. Because of the way the DAB names work (the short-names aren't broadcast separately; just one character tells the radio which characters it should display from the long names), you can't have BBC R7 as a short name, but BBC7 as the long name. I personally prefer it the new way. I've no idea whether any of this is true, since I don't work for the BBC. -- http://james.cridland.net/ On 5/29/07, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I noticed my digital radio (The Bug) displayed BBC Radio 7 instead of the usual BBC 7. The shortcut also displayed as BBC R7, like Radio 4 does. I investigated and found 6music had also changed - BBC Radio 6 music. Why is this? Obviously it's a radio broadcast - it's a digital radio... BBC Radio 1 - 4 Five Five I understand, as, broadcast on traditional radio, have always been called this; 7 never has. -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] It's mad I tell you! - Hack Day
Well by now most of you should have received your invite and your login details for backnetwork http://hackdaylondon07.backnetwork.com/ We¹ve had some issues with the invites getting stuck in spam filters so if you¹ve not had yours then give me a shout. Oh yes and we have some exciting news about the band... They¹re called The Rumble Strips and they¹re pretty amazing they¹re the¹ new band this year and are going straight to the top so it¹s well worth coming to see them... Actually that brings me onto the next point We¹re giving everyone who¹s coming to Hack Day 3 free gig tickets to give out So... If you¹re signed up get onto backnetwork and sign up your friends for the gig and if you¹re not coming to HD... Why the hell not! m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] Nintendo to open up Wii console
Moving the discussion list on a little bit and away from the conversations of the last week or so. (hint) I've just seen this... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6248780.stm I think this is incredibly important - I've already seen BBC RDs hack of the controllers that allow you to navigate Google Earth and a simple EPG (wow) - I'm wondering what else could come out of this announcement... should we run a comp for best Wii hack? Is there anything we could provide that would help people build stuff for this 'new' platform. (other than a Wii ;-) )? Is this a new platform? Very interesting stuff... what does everyone else think? m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
RE: [backstage] firefox/ie bbc search plug ins
That is very cool playing with that now, Martin - how did you make that? m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jem Stone Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 08:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] firefox/ie bbc search plug ins Martin Belam has been using Open Search to create some firefox and ie 7 bbc search plug ins,. http://www.currybet.net/download/search/bbc_search.php There's one; Dr Whoogle just for the Doctor Who site but the others search across the various slices of search we make available (whole site, just news, audio and video, some of the popular bbc blogs, even our recipe finder.). Martin is looking for better 16x16 icons btw and it looks like Its fantastic stuff. His blog post here outlines it in more detail http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2007/06/bbc_search_plugins_for_interne.php Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Hack Day Photos - a lot of them
The BBC photographer took over 1700 shots here are just over 200 of them http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157600623798746/ Sorry they took so long to put up m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] Hack Day Photos - a lot of them
Yeah... Although I thought they were already open for people to tag? If you¹re having problems drop me a line... Although I see that other people are tagging them already... :-) m On 4/7/07 01:03, Otu Ekanem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/3/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow who's IMG_2713?? the offending picture in question. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/706157545/ @matt Would you mind opening your album pictures to enable the community tag them? It goes without saying that the potential benefits far outweigh any harm that can be caused. ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] Shadowy Technology
You have to love this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6936627.stm I think it¹s a cracking idea... The thought that I could be connected¹ to my wife even when I¹m far away by her presence¹ Very cool. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] This weeks top 10
Or rather 10 things that made us sit up and look this week. Join us as we delve into Ian and mines browser history each Friday afternoon :-) Perhaps we should release this as a podcast complete with cheesy music? 10. In at number 10 this week boingboings¹ take on the latest backstage podcast (shameless I know) http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/08/bbc_podcast_whats_th.html 9. At number 9, it¹s the history of bbc.co.uk, in RSS form... http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/extras/data/timelinebbccouk.xml 8. Sliding smoothly in at number 8 is China¹s ascertain that it¹s going to map every inch of the moon... Wonder if I can get that on my Tom Tom? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/10/moon_helium/ 7. At 7 it¹s the news we¹ve all been waiting for UWB is legal http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/09/uwb_uk_legal/ 6. Just out of the top 5 at number 6 we have (don¹t get too excited!) the all new iMac from Apple http://www.apple.com/imac/ 5. Topping the top... Ermmm. 5... It¹s another top list... 100 Free Software Apps to Go Online Only. http://www.tzunami.com/No-More-Harddrive.php 4. Costing only $150,000, at number 4 it¹s your very own jet pack http://www.tzunami.com/No-More-Harddrive.php 3. 3 brings us nicely to those nice folks over at Crave, who like a podcat as much as us... This one has Adam Hart-Davis in it. And Romans. http://crave.cnet.co.uk/0,39029477,49292144,00.htm 2. A little more serious at number 2, Design is Seedy, Matt Black Belt Jones explains why design should be taken very seriously in startup culture http://www.blackbeltjones.com/work/?p=1345 1. and at number 1 how could it be anything else? Universal are going to test the sale of music with no DRM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6939807.stm If you see something that should be in our weekly top 10 drop me a line before lunch time Fridays! m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] This weeks top 10
Yes very interesting indeed! Send those links in for the Friday count down :-) m On 11/8/07 08:26, Nico Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You missed the goings on at DefCon: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/03/232227from=rss , Though technically that was last week, it's the funniest (tech related) thing I've seen in ages. Vijay Indeed .. YT ^-^ Michelle Madigan expose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUAhoS4ITnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCvmkxO5hoQ Wired: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/media-mole-at-d.html Wired /. discussions interesting on the medias perceived rights - how these have grown so fast how scary this is. Regards, Nico Morrison __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: nicomorrison __ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] This weeks top 10
On 10/8/07 16:45, Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/10/2007 03:28 PM, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Join us as we delve into Ian and mines browser history each Friday afternoon :-) Perhaps we should release this as a podcast complete with cheesy music? Or get Smashey and Nicey to read it out. Cor? Blimey! Two-point-oh! I think Ian and I could manage that ;-) If you see something that should be in our weekly top 10 drop me a line before lunch time Fridays! I take it such suggestions ought to be SFW, right? I would suggest so! 4. Costing only $150,000, at number 4 it¹s your very own jet pack http://www.tzunami.com/No-More-Harddrive.php How's this? http://www.gadling.com/2007/08/08/private-jet-packs-now-for-sale/ I see no jet pack here. While you try to find it, let's listen to You ain't bookmarkin' yet by Backstage-Browser Overdrive... ROFL ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] This weeks top 10
BBC Response came off our internal press section... No idea where it is publicly... ! On 13/8/07 14:17, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For everyone else sending in links it may be an idea to send them to me off-list so it doesn't become a mess of links every week. Yeah, I realised I probably should have done that right after I clicked send... Also, where did you find the BBC response, I hope they don't cave in to the ISPs demands; if anything, the ISPs should be paying the BBC in the same way that cable companies have to pay broadcasters to carry their channels ( c.f. the recent Virgin media\Sky dispute) Vijay. ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
On 13/8/07 14:55, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it is only intended to make a point, not make a difference. Cool Perhaps someone would like to post to the list why this protest is happening, what it's aims are (if any) and what are the points that the group would like to get across are? We'll be out there with the protesters interviewing and making sure that your point of view is heard. m - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
Hi Andy - that's really informative - thanks very much :-) m On 13/8/07 21:27, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool Perhaps someone would like to post to the list why this protest is happening, what it's aims are (if any) and what are the points that the group would like to get across are? You could try the groups website(s). Defective By Designs website is: http://defectivebydesign.org/ A quick bit of background to provide you with some context (provide corrections anyone if this is incorrect): DBD is a project run by the Free Software Foundation (FSF). DBD's main purpose is the abolition of DRM (Digital Rights Management, or Digital Restriction Management, depending on your view). The FSF is the main sponsor of the Gnu Project, I project that aims to provide a completely free Operating System. Not just free in that you don't have to pay for it but free in that you can do much more with it than other software. For instance you could read the source code (technical term meaning the stuff the software developers/programmers actually type, instead of the code that the machine executes which is normally transformed by a special program, not always though). Currently they provide many tools that are then bundled with the Linux kernel (the kernel is the core of an OS, it does much of the low level stuff that you don't really see but you are glad is there). Needless to say they are likely unhappy at the BBC's actions which could cripple UK Linux adoption. It could also pose significant harm to other OS vendors, such as Apple (of MacOS fame), and the people behind the different versions of BSD. You might find: http://defectivebydesign.org/iPlayerProtest and http://defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted useful to understand why there are protests. FreeTheBBC ( http://www.freethebbc.info/ ) is a project from Binary Freedom Boston, please don't ask why someone from Boston is behind FreeTheBBC, I don't know (and I did ask once). Of course a quick reading of the BBC's charter states clearly that one should not take the term UK license fee payer literally. As I don't know much about Binary Freedoms background I will quote part of their site: 1. Rid BBC content and programming of harmful DRM 2. Make BBC content and programming available in free formats from: http://www.freethebbc.info/node/7 I think the main aims are: - Opening up access to _all_ Operating Systems, not the select few (currently one). As far as I can tell their appears to be no plans for an all OS solution, only a select few, but more than one solution*. - Use of openly specified protocols and formats (of which there are way too may to list, but the BBC knows this already, it's a member of the consortium that writes some of them!!! (BBC is listed as a member of W3C, source: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List )). - Removal of DRM. Of course you would need to ask the individuals involved what their personal reasoning is. I shall not be there tomorrow, it clashes with a more important event work. I may check news sites during my lunch though, now where does one find an impartial reporter on this matter? _Andy * this is only as far as I can tell, official sources regarding all OS would be welcomed. And in the spirit of the BBC: I am not responsible for the content of external sites, Other websites are available. ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
Photos already up on flickr over here http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/ And here http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/ m On 14/8/07 13:07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Forrester wrote: Yep we were there along with about another 20 people. So were they making a point or trying to make a difference? David - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
Mr Butterworth :-) As you¹ll see from the flickr streams themselves.. All our photos are released under Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 Knock yourself out within that licence. m On 14/8/07 14:50, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I use one of these photos on my site? Are the CC licenced? On 14/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Photos already up on flickr over here http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/ And here http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/ m On 14/8/07 13:07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Forrester wrote: Yep we were there along with about another 20 people. So were they making a point or trying to make a difference? David - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest
From the backstage blog http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/08/defective_by_de.html ³It was a very wet morning but that didn't stop around 20 people turning out to let the BBC know exactly what they thought of its use of DRM in iPlayer. We've pulled those comments together and made a special podcast which you can download from here; http://blip.tv/file/339619 There are also some photos from the even which you can see here http://flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/ and here http://flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/ and some here http://flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pool/² ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest
I need to make a confession it appears that I uploaded a non-finished version of the interview to blip it contained a fade halfway through Peter Brown’s interview this was not intentional! I’ve now uploaded the correct version and hope you can all forgive me :-) http://blip.tv/file/339619/ Or download the MP3 directly from here http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore-backstagebbccoukPodcastDefectiveByDe signProtest392.mp3 m On 14/8/07 18:02, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And from inside the BBC we have a reply from Ashley Highfield (head of future media and technology). We've added it to the blog post - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/08/defective_by_de.html Here's a snip-it from Ashley's reply to single platform lock in We believe in Universality, I would not let our content be restricted to one platform. Beyond IP, we are also exploring how we can get versions of BBC iPlayer on to Freeview (DTT), FreeSat, and have plans to launch on cable with Virgin Media. We look closely at all possible platforms for distribution. PDAs, media centres, city centre video screens, kiosks, and so on. Some platforms require particular technologies, and some may simply not be economically viable for us to reversion for or distribute to (we must always weigh up the cost per person reached). Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 14 August 2007 16:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest From the backstage blog http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/08/defective_by_de.html “It was a very wet morning but that didn't stop around 20 people turning out to let the BBC know exactly what they thought of its use of DRM in iPlayer. We've pulled those comments together and made a special podcast which you can download from here; http://blip.tv/file/339619 There are also some photos from the even which you can see here http://flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/ and here http://flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/ and some here http://flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pool/” http://flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pool/² ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T: 020 8008 3959 (02 83959) M: 07711 913241(072 83959) ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links
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Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest
And there’s more... http://clesh.com/videos/view/BBCsdemo-118711.can/ From Stephen Streater who was filming at the event... m On 15/8/07 13:20, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And almost the last word on the yesterday and DRM? Cory's piece in the Guardian yesterday - http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/aug/14/comment.drm Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 15 August 2007 10:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest I need to make a confession it appears that I uploaded a non-finished version of the interview to blip it contained a fade halfway through Peter Brown’s interview this was not intentional! I’ve now uploaded the correct version and hope you can all forgive me :-) http://blip.tv/file/339619/ Or download the MP3 directly from here http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore-backstagebbccoukPodcastDefectiveByDes ignProtest392.mp3 m On 14/8/07 18:02, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And from inside the BBC we have a reply from Ashley Highfield (head of future media and technology). We've added it to the blog post - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/08/defective_by_de.html Here's a snip-it from Ashley's reply to single platform lock in We believe in Universality, I would not let our content be restricted to one platform. Beyond IP, we are also exploring how we can get versions of BBC iPlayer on to Freeview (DTT), FreeSat, and have plans to launch on cable with Virgin Media. We look closely at all possible platforms for distribution. PDAs, media centres, city centre video screens, kiosks, and so on. Some platforms require particular technologies, and some may simply not be economically viable for us to reversion for or distribute to (we must always weigh up the cost per person reached). Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 14 August 2007 16:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest From the backstage blog http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/08/defective_by_de.html “It was a very wet morning but that didn't stop around 20 people turning out to let the BBC know exactly what they thought of its use of DRM in iPlayer. We've pulled those comments together and made a special podcast which you can download from here; http://blip.tv/file/339619 There are also some photos from the even which you can see here http://flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/ and here http://flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/ and some here http://flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pool/” http://flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pool/² ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T: 020 8008 3959 (0283959) M: 07711 913241 (072 83959) ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T: 020 8008 3959 (02 83959) M: 07711 913241(072 83959) ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
Well. When I was interviewing at about 10:45 there were 12 people there (that's when I took the photos) Ian then came down when I left and he came back and said there were about 20 people there after others joined. m On 15/8/07 16:54, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whereas, looking at the photos indicates that 20 is an exaggeration of about 100%. Cheers, R. On 8/15/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More likely, Organisers put the turnout at 800... R. On 8/15/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably on the news we'll get the traditional 10+% rule of Organisers put the turnout at 20 people, whilst The Metropolitan Police said 2-and-a-half-people turned up? cheers, martin On 14/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/08/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Forrester wrote: Yep we were there along with about another 20 people. So were they making a point or trying to make a difference? I believe the additional media coverage of the unconscionable restrictions in the iPlayer will make a difference. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: When are we going to get another list? (was: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City)
Hey all was going to announce this when it was actually working but I¹ve set up a new list called backstage-developer; it¹s a list totally devoted to developers and technical issues around BBC feeds and APIs it will be policed to ensure this is the main aim of that list. You¹ll still be able to post these questions to the general list and I¹m sure people will still respond but I think there¹s real value in some of the conversations on the backstage list and I don¹t want them to stop. As soon as I can get MajorDomo to play with the list correctly I¹ll post details on how to join here. m On 16/8/07 09:25, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 16 August 2007 08:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: When are we going to get another list? (was: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City) Chris, Finally, remember that the noise is the signal. You can't post too much. Deploy filters. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html For my sins, I've been involved with online communities since 1996. During my university years it sometimes felt like I did little else. There's one problem I've personally seen with the signal to noise argument, it's that in a situation where there's huge amounts of noise, ultimately people get fed up of filtering out the noise all the time, and can't be bothered adding the signal - because it feels like, what's the point? Then there's the second problem - people who newly join a list, just see the noise all the time, wonder where the signal is, then disappear off. I've even seen communities wither away and die because of it. Now sometimes signal to noise works - it helps a cohesive group of people together. I'm on a couple of mailing lists where the noise helps the community bond closer, so new people become new friends. (However of course, it can make lists look a bit insular - which can make it harder to join lists as a newbie) It's also got to be said that the majority of people on a mailing list don't post. I don't know the stats for this list, but I'm on a mailing list of 300 people, about 20 of which post regularly. There's a lot of readers, and occassionally some of them post, but mostly it's reading. Why do people join a list and not post? Well to get the signal. So if there's very little signal, you lose your incentive to remain a reader. Sorry, but my own experience says signal to noise is NOT a simplistic situation as some people like to think. When the noise works, it doth good. When the noise doesn't work, it doth big harm. ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] From Private Eye - BBC Shock!
From last weeks Private Eye - http://www.private-eye.co.uk/ THE BBC has announced today radical new plans to show TV programmes on television sets. ³While these television sets will never replace seeing your favourite shows streamed on the internet, beamed directly to your mobile phone, or projected onto the side of your house², said the BBC¹s newly-appointed Creative Multi-Vision Platform Director of Post-Media Interface Synergy Jeff Haircut, ³we do believe that broadcasting on television sets still plays a small role in delivery to a small niche market of viewers who want to watch television². m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] Can we have a developer mailing list?
Forums?... Forums??? Please let this be a typo, don't move to forums, they're horrid and yucky and smell and take far too much time to wade through the dross to get to anything of interest and people will start tagging each of their posts with bl00dy great big images of their PC systems stats or some-such nonsensical avatar-like monstrous carbuncle.. Yuck! Please, stick with mailing lists. It's okay Sean... Take a breath :-) You'll still be able to interact with the lists via email and even better via RSS feeds. We don't want to spread the list topics too far but yes one mailing list is becoming troublesome with the diversity of discussions. Agreed, a specifically developer focused list one would be spiffing. We've got a new list called backstage-developer which will be heading your way very soon (as soon as I can kick majordomo into playing ball). matthew - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Please consider others whilst using this list (was Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest)
Okay all - we feel that it's really important that these kinds of debates can happen on the backstage mailing lists - but over the last month or so some of these debates have got rather heated - no bad thing of course - but that does mean that we are sometimes moving away from the intention of this list, and in some cases common decency. To fix that I think we're going to need to do 2 things. 1 - Launch the new backstage-developer list ASAP - I'll get right onto this on Monday 2 - Ask everyone to please remember to respect others on this list. I know how easy it is for debates like this to get very heated and for people to start taking pot shots at each other - please just think before you click send that what you're saying is about the debate, not about what the person you're replying to is like at understanding things. In a little under a year we've only had to moderate on-list a handful of times... I don't want to do that at all and if we can just pull together as a community I'm sure we can avoid the fate of many 'lively' lists. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Sun 8/19/2007 10:49 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest Matt, I have to say that most of the people here are actually very, very, very supportive of the BBC, and are being critical friends. If you stop listening to people who are talking sense, logic and rationally there won't be a BBC anymore. Personally, I'm eternally grateful for the BBC Micro and the TV programmes that supported it back in the 1980s, one of the reasons there are so many people in the UK who are not just computer literate (ie can log into Windows and use Internet Explorer) but can programme, network, design, implement and so forth. Being critical is a important part of the software development process - the idea is to test each and every part of a system before the great unwashed get their hands on it - as Douglas Adams (a Mac fan as it happens) A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof, is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. The 4OD service is both irrelevant (this is a BBC backstage list, it would be off-topic) and is basically the original BBC iMP anyway. Please check your original beta testing on the DNA message board if you want comments about it. Channel 4, whilst a Public Corporation like BBC, is funded by advertising not the universal licence fee and whilst comparisons may be interesting, it has always been a publisher-broadcaster and never a producer-broadcaster. Also, C4 has no international presence whatsoever, whereas the every Brit knows that the BBC means we all have automatically have friends all over the world because of Auntie. I presume it's either a fit of prissiness or a three-monkeys moment that made you write your taking your toys home with you email, but let me just remind you that you are a public servant, and we are the public you are supposed to be serving. I think I might just copy your email to the Media Guardian, if that's OK with you. I'll assume that it is if you don't reply. On 18/08/07, Matt Hardiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, this sort of BBC bashing is what made leave the backstage list the last time and I regret rejoining again. Aside from the lack of critique of other broadcaster's services like 4OD with similar issues, do you realise just how demoralising your constant, unhelpful rants are for staff within the BBC who are subscribed? for that reason alone, I say goodbye and wish you all well, if you want to continue rants / off topic bbc bashing, you could do no better than subscribing to uk.tech.broadcast and joining in with the DAB single topic people... I won't see your witty retort to this email... so sorry about that goodbye all - it WAS good... regards m -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andy *Sent:* Sat 18/08/2007 20:41 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest On 18/08/07, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No again. The *real* way to provide a platform-independent *service* could involve making tactical decsions along the way to get your service launched on popular platforms and follow this up with an implementation on others. That last bit gives away you have no clue what your talking about! If you have different implementations for different platforms how are you ever going to make anything neutral? It will always work only on select platforms which is never neutral. The only way
Re: [backstage] Inside the BBC News site
Good question - let me speak to the news guys - it may be worth doing a podcast about it's history and how it works. I do know however that it's a bespoke system build specifically for BBC News - which has a very unique set of requirements - it's grown over several versions over the last five years or so and it's a BIG beast that has journalists using it cursing and praising it in equal amounts! I don't think it's a bit of software you could download and play with. m On 20/8/07 18:44, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very interested in how news.bbc.co.uk runs, in terms of it's backend and design. I assume it is a bespoke site designed and adapted internally for the needs of the Beeb. Is there anyone I could talk to - I'd like explanations (eg of what the URL constructions mean, as they don't seem to be date-based). Is there any way the software running the site could be made available to download? I'm sure many would love to experiment :) Regards ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Latest Podcast - Edinburgh TV Unfestival - Is TV Dead?
The latest backstage podcast is now live you can listen to it here http://blip.tv/file/354940 Or download the MP3 file directly from here http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore-backstagebbccoukPodcastEdinburghTVUn festivalIsTVDead340.mp3 ³At the inaugural backstage TV Unfestival in Edinburgh this year, Matthew Cashmore chaired a panel discussion entitled Is TV Dead. He was joined on the panel by Brian Butterworth from UKFree.tv Ewan Spence of The Podcast Network Michael Sparks with the BBC RD George Wright with the BBC interactive TV.² Kevin Anderson of Guardian fame blogged about the session over here http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/08/tv_unfestival_is_tv_dead_th e_p.html#more Is was actually really interesting and in the end the conclusion was that if stories where strong, then TV was as strong as ever... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzKoiktzNqE Hope you enjoy :-) m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] Latest Podcast - Edinburgh TV Unfestival - Is TV Dead?
Sorry... Really you would laugh It's actually not very funny though. G. But yes we will update the XML file very soon... m On 28/8/07 23:28, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I told you the reason why we couldn't do this, you would laugh. :) It looks like we may have to move the XML file in the near future, but yes it will link to all older podcasts and the future ones. Toni Sant wrote: Hi Matthew - Any plans of adding this (and the previous) podcast to the original podcast feed your created? Cheers... ...t.s. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Cashmore Sent: Tue 28/08/2007 1:00 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Subject: [backstage] Latest Podcast - Edinburgh TV Unfestival - Is TV Dead? The latest backstage podcast is now live you can listen to it here http://blip.tv/file/354940 Or download the MP3 file directly from here http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore-backstagebbccoukPodcastEdinburghTVUn festivalIsTVDead340.mp3 ³At the inaugural backstage TV Unfestival in Edinburgh this year, Matthew Cashmore chaired a panel discussion entitled Is TV Dead. He was joined on the panel by € Brian Butterworth from UKFree.tv € Ewan Spence of The Podcast Network € Michael Sparks with the BBC RD € George Wright with the BBC interactive TV.² Kevin Anderson of Guardian fame blogged about the session over here http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/08/tv_unfestival_is_tv_dead_th e_p.html#more Is was actually really interesting and in the end the conclusion was that if stories where strong, then TV was as strong as ever... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzKoiktzNqE Hope you enjoy :-) m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html * - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Latest Podcast - Edinburgh TV Unfestival - Is TV Dead?
hangs value=shame We can't access our live server /hangs value=shame It's being fixed though - seriously! m On 29/8/07 13:01, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too. ;-) RichE On 29 Aug 2007, at 11:42, Toni Sant wrote: I must say I'm quite curious now! ;-) Many thanks for putting the update on your undoubtedly very long to do list. Cheers... ...t.s. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Cashmore Sent: Wed 29/08/2007 11:17 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Subject: Re: [backstage] Latest Podcast - Edinburgh TV Unfestival - Is TV Dead? Sorry... Really you would laugh It's actually not very funny though. G. But yes we will update the XML file very soon... m On 28/8/07 23:28, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I told you the reason why we couldn't do this, you would laugh. :) It looks like we may have to move the XML file in the near future, but yes it will link to all older podcasts and the future ones. Toni Sant wrote: Hi Matthew - Any plans of adding this (and the previous) podcast to the original podcast feed your created? Cheers... ...t.s. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Cashmore Sent: Tue 28/08/2007 1:00 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Subject: [backstage] Latest Podcast - Edinburgh TV Unfestival - Is TV Dead? The latest backstage podcast is now live you can listen to it here http://blip.tv/file/354940 Or download the MP3 file directly from here http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore- backstagebbccoukPodcastEdinburghTVUn festivalIsTVDead340.mp3 ³At the inaugural backstage TV Unfestival in Edinburgh this year, Matthew Cashmore chaired a panel discussion entitled Is TV Dead. He was joined on the panel by € Brian Butterworth from UKFree.tv € Ewan Spence of The Podcast Network € Michael Sparks with the BBC RD € George Wright with the BBC interactive TV.² Kevin Anderson of Guardian fame blogged about the session over here http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/08/ tv_unfestival_is_tv_dead_th e_p.html#more Is was actually really interesting and in the end the conclusion was that if stories where strong, then TV was as strong as ever... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzKoiktzNqE Hope you enjoy :-) m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html * - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ winmail.dat ** *** To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html ** *** - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] the economics of BBC content
Ahhh yes photo libraries they are fun Reaching back into my Broadcast Journalist days I got photos from several sources... 1 ELVIS our internal photo library which is actually okay, but is often a little limited 2 Picture Feeds in the same way we get the news wires we also get the photo wires 3 - http://www.sxc.hu/ I don¹t recall every having to pay for a photograph with a story everything I used, was covered by our blanket agreements with the libraries and wires. I think Flickr is fantastic though, I find myself using it more and more when I¹m in search of that image that will really illustrate what I¹m wittering on about but then sometimes... Stock Exchange is the best option. For example Recently I took a load of shots of a fire in Hatfield http://flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601368959178/ Within 24 hours those shots were on commercial websites with no links or attribution http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=3093314origin=bldgdailynews Within 30 mins a friend and producer at Five Live spotted them and the news was being fed into Network Radio and the images appeared on the Pods Blogs site. My point is that I was happy for the images to be used, but when a commercial site used them I felt dirty they got a rather terse email and phone call and I received payment for said photographs but that¹s not the point the point is I feel differently about somebody using my shots under a CC licence in their PP presentation, or for their own website than I do about BIG companies using them for commercial (not for profit even) gain. So when I¹m faced with a choice for our main sites (news etc) between Flickr and a library shot I often go for the library shot. m On 24/9/07 10:05, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like a good time to re-mention (doesn't seem to be working as well as I remember it, though)... http://amiabstractornot.highlyillogical.org/ J On 9/21/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello This has bothered me for some time but the picture and caption on this page were the final straw http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7005206.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7005206.stm How much should the BBC be paying for that page, aside from the journalism and broadcast? It really shouldn't need to pay for such a pointless picture, there must be thousands of beautiful lightbulb pictures available for free (although the beeb was accused of nicking them off Flickr a whiles back, perhaps it's all stricter now...) But with some clever feeds, the pictures could be free, just as pretty, just as relevant, and the corporation saved enough to buy a researcher to oomph up the story. cheers! James in HK - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] Spooks
Well Spooks is back on the 16th October and I can¹t wait not least because the interactive stuff that goes with it is pretty good... So I¹ve dived straight in there this year http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/spooks/ And http://www.bbc.co.uk/spooks/index.shtml The second link takes you to a page that¹s running the interactive app, log in and take look at the set up some pretty interesting stuff on the desk¹ but I¹m wondering if this interactive element is limited to the BBC website or if there¹s a wider cache Looking in the emails there¹s something from a domain called intelligencewatchers.com but that¹s just held by a domain holder... It would be a shame if the interactive experience didn¹t spread further Thoughts? m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] RE: When are we going to get another list?
Damn good question... It was going to role out with the new website but given the issues surrounding that role out (broken DBs) - I think we ought to do this now let me work on getting it live this afternoon and I¹ll post the details. m On 3/10/07 19:09, Barry Carlyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was just going thru my items for follow up in outlook, and found this one. So, do we have another list yet? Bazza ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] BT offers £1k for wi-fi aps
http://www.btplc.com/Innovation/DeveloperChallenge/DeveloperChallenge.htm Now this is a good idea... Get those Symbian emulators out, mix in some backstage data and get your ideas out there (you never know, you may walk away with the 1k!) m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] Wii News Channel
So, um, was messing with my new Wii last night and was having a play with the News Channel but it¹s a bit naff I was wondering if anyone knew anything about how to build channels for the Wii or even if Nintendo have opened it up at all? m
Re: [backstage] iPlayer usage
Hi Adam, yes sorry about that I'm also going to reply to the developer list because that's where the question was asked. On Monday Ashley announced that more than 250,000 people use the iPlayer regularly... Taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7047381.stm m On 17/10/07 18:41, Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nick richards wrote: Hi guys, I saw a del.icio.us post from Tom Coates earlier asking how many people actualy *use* the iPlayer: I went back and noticed that the original poster's question wasn't answered: are there any plans to reveal statistics on iPlayer usage? adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer usage
Good point actually Christopher - and you're not the first to suggest it. I think this list has evolved over time to be a general discussion group around vaguely technical areas at the BBC - when it was first set up it was always going to be a 'noisy' list - and we've always recommended that you deploy filters rather than stopping debate. We do not pre-moderate this list at all - and long may that stay. However, we did recognise that there was a need for a purely developer focused[1] list and that was implemented - I'm not sure we should start a new list for iPlayer discussion - I think the discussion going on here raises really important questions for the BBC and it's users, I don't want that to go away. Having said all of that we do plan to roll out new forum software in phase 2 of the new website that will allow you to still interact with the list in exactly the same way as now, but also subscribe and un-subscribe to various topics via that software - therefore allowing you to personalise the list to the areas that you are interested in. We will all of course be very sad to stop using MajorDomo. M [1] - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/10/new_backstage_d.html On 18/10/07 01:46, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only person who thinks that there should be backstage-iplayer? ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone SDK news
This would be a good place to start Brian... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/directory/ Which is a redirect from http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/ On 18/10/07 13:30, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/10/2007, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should do, Windows media player can be embedded and played on Windows mobile 5 6 devices no problem. Plus you all know the streaming urls and screen sizes of most windows mobile devices. I would use it for sure. Oh right. What I was thinking was that it would be very useful to be presented with all the podcasts in a latest published release, and have just a few buttons: - play now - mark to download - an I love this button, so you get to see this podcast highlighted when there is a new version available and (press again) to download automatically - an I hate this button, this would become a low priority on the first press, and become hidden eventually - an I've already heard this button The love/hate facility would simply increment/decrement an internal counter for the podcast feed. I suspect you could also have a prioritization system based upon the channel that originated the programme. Another useful facility would be to see which programmes are downloaded by each user - you could then do a people who like this also liked Is there a master index for all the BBC's podcasts? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 18 October 2007 11:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPhone SDK news I was thinking of doing something similar for Windows Media Player.. On 18/10/2007, Simon Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally we might be able to do things propery! We've been working on a podcast browser for iPhone which is in alpha at the moment http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/directory/iphone/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/directory/iphone/ -- note: requires Safari to view, or an iphone/touch obviously! S From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Martin Deutsch Sent: 17 October 2007 17:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPhone SDK news I'd say that Apple have a good track record of releasing things, generally when they say they will. The only major product I can recall not seeing the light of day was Copland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copland_%2528operating_system%2529 , over 10 years ago. - martin On 10/17/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/ Native third party applications on the iPhone (and iPod touch) will be enabled via an SDK as of February 2008. There's a name for that .. vapourware - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] What is to happen to Backstage?
No major news here Brian business as normal. m On 18/10/07 14:09, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just wondering what is to happen to Backstage.bbc.co.uk http://Backstage.bbc.co.uk as part of the Thompson plans? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7050440.stm 'Future Media Technology Online, mobile, interactive, archives 120 - 130 Redundancies ' ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] iPhone Apple opens up iPhone to app developers
Brian you¹re in a very happy mood these last couple of days! Think of nice things like kittens and DRM free TV :-) m On 18/10/07 15:23, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Why does it take four months to publish a SDK? Surely Apple must be using the SDK already to create their own applications? Steve Jobs gives a reasonable explanation in his announcement - that they want to implement a robust security model for third-party apps, something they don't need for internal development. Which suggests that the OS is rubbish, doesn't it? http://www.apple.com/startpage/ S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage-developer] 2008 BBC Innovation Labs
We're really pleased to announce the 2008 BBC Innovation Labs. This year sees some changes to the way the process works, but also widens the geographical area to include Wales and the West Midlands. The Innovation Labs will run in; Scotland North West England North East England Wales West Midlands The biggest change you'll see is that at the end of each lab, those companies who win commissions will know how much they are being commissioned for before they leave, within one week of the lab they'll have agreed milestones for delivery with their commissioner, and within two weeks the PO will be raised. We're really lucky this year to have some fantastic briefs; for the first time as well as reading about the them on this site and coming to the Launch Days ( http://open.bbc.co.uk/labs/2008_launch_days_1.php)- you can also watch a short video of each commissioner talking about their area of responsibility and what they want to get from labs this year. Take a look at the briefs now - http://open.bbc.co.uk/labs/2008_the_brief.php So what's next? The most important thing to do right now is to make sure you register and come along to the Launch Days - http://open.bbc.co.uk/labs/2008_launch_days_1.php. These one day events will make sure that you know exactly what's going on where, and will give you the edge you need to make sure your application is successful. If you have any questions about the process at all, or you want to chat through your idea then please feel free to contact us - http://open.bbc.co.uk/labs/contact_us.php m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] What is to happen to Backstage?
Chaps... This is nothing to do with backstage at all, can we please leave this topic for discussion in other places. m On 18/10/07 17:38, Martin Deutsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never quite been able to work out the specifics of the deal (see Eyes passim, as they say), but Television Centre (and several other BBC buildings) passed back into BBC hands a few years after that deal, and the facilities management contract with Land Securities has ended. While it's good to see Backstage's future is secure, I'm hoping that my friends with BBC contracts (a rarity these days) can be similarly reassured. Some of them haven't heard anything solid so far. - martin On 10/18/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And bad news for the 2,000 people who will be let go... 420 from factual television, and 470 will go from News. Multimedia will expand, and they are selling TVC. It all makes sense. Who needs at *television* centre when all you really want to do is to dive into the multimedia (digital) maelstrom and pay consultants (and Mr. J. Ross)? They should sell BBC White City. OOPS. They did that trick already. BBC White City was sold to Land Securities Trillium. http://www.landsecurities.com/press.asp?PageID=25MediaID=15InitialView=Fals e http://www.landsecurities.com/press.asp?PageID=25amp;MediaID=15amp;Initial View=False Gordo P.S. Who said content is king? At 16:07 +0100 18/10/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: That's great news! On 18/10/2007, Matthew Cashmore mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No major news here Brian - business as normal. m On 18/10/07 14:09, Brian Butterworth mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just wondering what is to happen to http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ Backstage.bbc.co.uk http://Backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/http://Backstage.bbc.co.uk http://Backstage.bbc.co.uk http://Backstage.bbc.co.uk as part of the Thompson plans? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7050440.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7050440.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7050440.stm 'Future Media Technology Online, mobile, interactive, archives 120 - 130 Redundancies ' ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv www.ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] Backstage developer lists
Hey dude I¹m not sure if you¹ve noticed this or not but your emails you¹re sending to the bakstage-developer list are bouncing because you¹re not a member... Are you just replying to all and copying in that list or are you actually trying to post there if the later shout and we¹ll work out why it¹s not working. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] Backstage developer lists
Blast. Sorry. Damn. [hangs head in shame] On 19/10/07 09:00, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey dude I¹m not sure if you¹ve noticed this or not but your emails you¹re sending to the bakstage-developer list are bouncing because you¹re not a member... Are you just replying to all and copying in that list or are you actually trying to post there if the later shout and we¹ll work out why it¹s not working. m
[backstage] MiniBar Podcast
As some of you may know we sponsor MiniBar a fantastic event run by Christian Ahlert which happens every month out in East London. From the website - MiniBar is a social evening in East London which offers people a chance to snaffle some free beer while discussing p2p, Creative Commons, web applications, social networking and general Web 2.0 (3.0) mayhem fandango. This month I went along with the recorder and we made a podcast. You can download it from here http://blip.tv/file/439331 The direct link to the MP3 is here http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore-backstagebbccoukAtTheOctoberMiniBar9 11.mp3 Feel free to grab the file and re-encode and make available to your hearts desire. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
[backstage] Innovation Labs - we need your help
Hey there... We need your help. We¹re really really keen to work with Indies across the country in fact this years Labs (http://open.bbc.co.uk) are running across North East England, North West England, Scotland and Wales... But one of the issues we have is connecting with those companies, particularly the smaller guys. The Innovation Labs Launch Days are happening in a few weeks and we want to make sure that as many people know about them as possible... And that¹s where you could help... Do you know a mailing list or a forum or a company in these areas that would like to take part in Labs? Could you help us get the message out to those companies? If you¹ve got any ideas, please do shout, I want to make sure that those companies that wouldn¹t normally get a message from the BBC have the opportunity to take part in this years labs. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
Re: [backstage] Innovation Labs - we need your help
And of course if I put the URL in there correctly you could all see the site too. http://open.bbc.co.uk/labs What is it about lists that makes me unable to form correct emails? m On 23/10/07 15:43, Jose-Carlos Mariategui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew: You should contact Michelle Kasprzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] from New Media Scotland, I am sure she can help you, actually she was with me at the UnTV Festival. Cu jcm on 23/10/07 2:59, Matthew Cashmore at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey there... We need your help. We¹re really really keen to work with Indies across the country in fact this years Labs (http://open.bbc.co.uk) are running across North East England, North West England, Scotland and Wales... But one of the issues we have is connecting with those companies, particularly the smaller guys. The Innovation Labs Launch Days are happening in a few weeks and we want to make sure that as many people know about them as possible... And that¹s where you could help... Do you know a mailing list or a forum or a company in these areas that would like to take part in Labs? Could you help us get the message out to those companies? If you¹ve got any ideas, please do shout, I want to make sure that those companies that wouldn¹t normally get a message from the BBC have the opportunity to take part in this years labs. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/secretariat/legal/disclaimer.htm - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter
Hi Andy - in fact we're very lucky that Mark from the OSC has kindly agreed to come in an be interviewed for the next backstage podcast - we're aiming to get it done this week and will be asking others to join in - mainly some of the guys who actually built iPlayer... It's not minutes from the meeting (if anyone actually took any) but it'll be a very frank discussion between 'them' and 'us'. m On 6/11/07 19:09, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-AMi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was in a meeting with the OSC Was that just for show or does the BBC intend to actually pay attention? I think they disagreed with pretty much everything Mr Highfiled has said (see: http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/content/view/78/55/ ). Are the minutes of these meetings available? Is an FOI request needed? Maybe you could start by releasing the spec's for the protocols you posses, and developer documents? Releasing your comms protocols (details of how meta data is held, what requests go between client and BBC server) etc. As a show of good faith perhaps. It shouldn't harm security in the least bit either. provided you didn't do something daft like accidentally add the SSH root password in a source code comment ;) All we ask is that you use open standards. If you want to constantly whine that your rights holders forced you to use closed protocols then: 1. Show us the agreement with them 2. It does not explain why you haven't released the non-DRM part of the system specs. Also could you look at some of the files on your servers, it appears you have a DRM standard already. Why does the BBC pay people to do what the BBC claim is impossible? Also how much does the BBC pay to be a member of: TV-Anytime W3C ETSI (just wondering what the BBC is paying to develop standards it is ignoring). Andy ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again [off topic]
I don¹t think it would do us any harm to be a little politer on here to each other sometimes But that¹s just me. In fact I¹m also of the opinion we should go back to signing all our letters with... Your obedient servant, m On 7/11/07 10:29, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL On 07/11/2007, Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rules for this discussion forum is deploy filters. If you are offended, please stop reading. There is no need to consider flaming. That's not an excuse for Ad Hominem attacks - which could easily get you kicked if someone complained about your behavior. Also, please don't top-post, it's considered bad form. -- Noah Slater http://www.bytesexual.org/ Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as society is free to use the results. - R. Stallman - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails
hitler On 8/11/07 21:52, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 08 November 2007 13:09, Brian Butterworth wrote: But it is the origination of netiquette - the document is dated October 1995, No, it's not. Nettiquette's been around a lot longer than 95. The first place I came across the concept was via my brother in '91 and that was due to seeing a copy of Emily Postnews's guide. The earliest copy google groups (nee deja news) has of this as far as I can tell is this: * http://tinyurl.com/2w8654 Which is 19 Aug 1988. The earliest reference I can find to netiquette dates back nearly 25 years which is here: http://tinyurl.com/2kl7bs (15 Nov 1982) However the way its used there implies that it was well known as a really nice idea. By comparison, RFC822 is also dated 1982, 4 months earlier. In the beginning was email and usenet, then from the depths of the first mighty flame war, lo did a code of conduct arise, and its name hence for evermore was netiquette and in its mighty name did spawn more and bloodier flame wars indeed yea, from then until the end of time. *ahem* Now please can we go back to the principle of netiquette? (Which is of course anyone who breaks it has to buy the next round :-D ) Michael. (tempted to nominate next thursday as international netiquette day) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails
Sorry no you can't do a cross lateral insertion in the backstage version of the game. Please refer to the rule wiki. Euston. m On 9/11/07 11:37, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mornington Crescent! (Oh, sorry, wrong game) On 09/11/2007, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Churchill ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Interview with Mark Taylor, President of the Open Source Consortium and Becky Hogge from the Open Rights Group
Direct from backstage.bbc.co.uk :-) Last Friday we were really fortunate to be joined in Broadcast Centre by Mark Taylor, President of the Open Source Consortium and Becky Hogge from the Open Rights Group. We were also joined in the discussion by Robin Doran, Matthew Browning, Jonathan Tweed and Ben Smith - all BBC Staff who are, or were, in some way connected to the development of the iPlayer. This was a great opportunity for the BBC to hear exactly what the Open Rights Group and the Open Source Consortium wanted to say, and a way for us at the BBC to hopefully talk through some of the more complicated aspects of what is a massive project. I hope you enjoy it :-) If you've got any suggestions for further podcasts in this area, or there are questions you feel are not being answered, just drop us a line via the mailing list and we'll sort something out. Listen via blip over at http://blip.tv/file/483043 Or download the MP3 directly from http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore-backstagebbccoukInterviewWithMarkTay lorPresidentOfTheOpe157.mp3 ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
Hi Barry, I'll have to look at the exact details of the new podcast, but from a Student Radio point of view remember that there are very different rules regarding music use and royalties across commercial and public service radio. Also remember that the BBC rules about music in podcasts is more about market impact than royalties - the podcasts from the BBC are still - I could be wrong here - in a 'trial' and still have to go through the Trust before they can expand further. OFCOM do not regulate Podcasts in the same way as they do live 'traditional' radio, but the rights holders certainly do care if you use their music in podcasts. When I worked at Unique we made some of the first podcasts that contained full length audio tracks - but in order to do so we had to obtain the performance rights and the standard artist royalties... both PRS and PPL have rights models in place that you can use. Here is the BBC Music Podcast press release http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/11_november/11/pod.shtml Here's the relevant MCPS and PRS page - it appears that they're reviewing the licence they released a couple of years ago - but there's a form there for you to fill in. http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/playingbroadcastingonline/online/Podcasting/Pages/podcasting.aspx m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Barry Carlyon Sent: Sun 11/18/2007 20:48 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music Greetings all, Whilst working at my local student bar/restaurant, I was listening to radio 1, and happened to hear Chappers and Scott Mills' advert for Radio 1 Podcasts, and they mentioned the fact that there are some new podcasts coming soon, which will now include music. So does anyone know if they are doing the permitted 30second snippets, or is it another BBC paying lots of money for some obscure licence only the BBC can afford, or have the podcasting rules changed? The main reason I'm wondering, is I'm responsible for Web Development, at our student radio station (http://LSRfm.com http://lsrfm.com/ ), and if Radio 1 are doing it because the podcasting rules have changed, then we can start doing so too. Yours, -- Barry Carlyon Webmaster of, http://www.barrycarlyon.co.uk http://www.lsrfm.com http://www.wbmfproductions.co.uk http://www.lsweb.org.uk http://www.airebornetheatre.co.uk mobile: 07729048443 skype: barrycarlyon email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] live help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
