Re: [backstage] Ping...
Ping? I'm at a wedding and I keep getting emails with the title ping. Talk about discussion point :) Adam McGreggor li...@amyl.org.uk wrote: On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 07:01:18PM +0100, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: Please let it not be a web based forum. Ugh. ~shudder~ [ O, HAI. ] -- If you see a long line of rats streaming off of a ship, the correct assumption is not Gosh, I bet that's a real nice boat now that those rats are gone. -- Mike Sphar - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Backstage RDTV ep3 (long version) - Video
I've just gone back to look and it seems to have sorted itself out now and episodes 2 3 have appeared in the feed. Thanks though, Lee Lee Stone Twitter: @leesto On 2 February 2010 13:37, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Which feed are you using? Should be using this http://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187690 | itpc://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187690 for the long versions http://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187691 | itpc://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187691http://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187691 for the short versions Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Lee Stone *Sent:* 01 February 2010 19:23 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] BBC Backstage RDTV ep3 (long version) - Video I'm just looking at sticking the RSS feed into iTunes so I don't miss any future episodes but have noticed the RSS only has the first episode in it - not sure if there is something you can give a kick to get them all in there. Cheers, Lee Lee Stone Twitter: @leesto On 1 February 2010 13:23, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Talking of video... Sneaky peak at RDTV ep3 long version which has been long time coming... http://blip.tv/file/3153532 I'm uploading the other versions including ogg/theora as we speak Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Backstage RDTV ep3 (long version) - Video
I'm just looking at sticking the RSS feed into iTunes so I don't miss any future episodes but have noticed the RSS only has the first episode in it - not sure if there is something you can give a kick to get them all in there. Cheers, Lee Lee Stone Twitter: @leesto On 1 February 2010 13:23, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Talking of video... Sneaky peak at RDTV ep3 long version which has been long time coming... http://blip.tv/file/3153532 I'm uploading the other versions including ogg/theora as we speak Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad
I'm interested to see if the keyboard on the iPad will actually be worse than the one on the iPhone - something I won't really know till I get a chance to hold one. At least with the iPhone, I can easily hold it in one hand, whilst still being able to type using my thumb in that hand. To hold the iPad comfortably, am I going to have to lose the use of one hand which I could otherwise be typing with? At least they have that keyboard dock - though I wonder what the cost of that will be. Lee On 28 January 2010 10:28, Alex Mace a...@hollytree.co.uk wrote: It is an OS. It just doesn't allow you to do all the stuff that us power users (and I would suggest membership of this list marks someone out as such) want to do. The closed app ecosystem is similarly only really an issue for us. I suspect a bigger issue for your normal user will be the lack of Flash on it. They keyboard thing is a red herring. It doesn't have a physical keyboard - that hasn't been a problem on the iPhone for me and hasn't been a problem for anyone I know who actually has actually used the iPhone keyboard. Some people just have hangups about it. I agree with what others have said - the biggest problem I can see is that lack of a front facing camera. Using it for video chatting would have been awesome and made it pretty much perfect for grandparents. Alex On 28 Jan 2010, at 10:17, Daniel Morris wrote: Am I missing something - how is it not an OS? :) -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 28 January 2010 09:56 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] iPad Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs on the iPhone can be called an operating system. And it clearly doesn't have a keyboard. 2010/1/28 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:32, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: It does, both, what? it runs an operating system. it has a keyboard. 2010/1/28 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:03, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Underwhelming. It's a big iPhone. It's named after the Star Trek PADD. Might be good it if ran an operating system and had a keyboard. It does, both. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Websites to get Panic Buttons
This is just ridiculous. It just says that you are all paedos (or tells young people that all adults are a threat) and also plays into the stranger danger lie. Almost all abuse of children happens by trusted, known people. I was assuming it was more of a universal system where the ones that get flagged more then any others rise to the top. That way the ones that are clearly abusive will be caught first. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Wave
One in the post. Hi, still one left? if so, I'd go for a a try. Juergen On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Hi folks, I have some Google Wave invites left .. please let me know if you would like one. I also have 16 left. If you'd like one, you're welcome. I wouldn't get excited though. I'm still not really impressed by it. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Google Wave
Anyone know what the rules are to upload a photo for your profile pic. I've got a small 50x46 pixel jpg file but it just won't accept it: One or more of the files you selected could not be uploaded. They may be too large or not valid image files. Please check the files and your internet connection and then try again. I tired larger and worked my way down, then got bored. 2009/11/27 Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net Brian Butterworth wrote: Hi folks, I have some Google Wave invites left .. please let me know if you would like one. I also have 16 left. If you'd like one, you're welcome. I wouldn't get excited though. I'm still not really impressed by it. It can be really nice if you have a few friends who also have it, conversations move from just being gimmicky fun to actually being quite engaging if you start to use its multimedia features. However, I'm unsure as to its usefulness as a business tool just yet - I'm open to persuasion though as long as it's actually justifiable ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] MSIE Marketshare at 4%...
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 20:31, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: ...on the PyGoWave website ;-) http://pygowave.net/ More seriously, I thought all you Wave fans might like to hear about this if you didn't already. I'm guessing from the name that it's a Wave server written in python and go, but nothing on the front page tells me what it is, except that it's a very ambitious project. Would be nice if it said what it is on the front page. Agreed, my assumption was the same but I didn't see any screenshots or anything else interesting. I couldn't be bothered trying to sign up to yet another project. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Wave
If they're going I'd like one to take a gander. Thanks Hi folks, I have some Google Wave invites left .. please let me know if you would like one. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Lunchtime feedback idea
J.P.Knight wrote: The basic idea was to take short messages from listeners (SMS, tweets, button clicks on the web, etc) when they thought that someone on air was spouting nonsense/evading the question/answering questions he'd rather he'd been asked/etc (we used a more bovine effluent related term during our discussion but I doubt that would be acceptable on the BBC! ;-) ). These could then be turned into a real time indication of listener dissatisfaction with the answers being given, and maybe displayed on the displays of the DAB radios, as well as on the Radio 4 website. The problem here would be who would judge what messages being received are in agreement or disagree with what is going on in the interview. Someone could say something sarcastically, but it would be picked up as literal, putting it in favor of whats being said. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Shower Radios
Hello folks, Sorry to post this here but I know there are lots of people who know a lot about Radio/TV so it was the first place I thought of. The background: I'm looking for a Shower Radio for my girlfriends birthday (its not the ONLY thing I'm getting her). Ideally it would have support for MP3 built in but I can't find any of those. Which is odd, how cool would it be to upload songs to it. Anyway, I digress. The one I've just found is this the Sony ICFS79V (Amazon link http://snipurl.com/ge5xk) It mentions VHF and TV channels. Suggesting it can listen to the audio from TV channels. Now for my question, is this likely to stop working once the digital switch over happens? I don't fancy spending nearl £50 on something that half of it will stop working after a while. Any other suggestions welcomed. I've seen lots of shower radios, I have a cheap one but its not very good. MP3 isn't a must but would be pretty cool to have it on there. The other option is these MP3 shower enclosures, but it essentially locks off the buttons whilst showering. Many thanks Lee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
If the home/school copy works out at £33 each, you might as well look at purchasing from www.theultimatesteal.com Get office ultimate 2007 for £38.95 - I believe this is the second year they've done it now as I took advantage of it last year as a student. It certainly makes it a lot more affordable. The one office I use quite a bit at the university has only open office as the office suite on one of the computers. It's amazing how many people it drives mad, to the point they refuse to use it and try to swap with the person on the machine with the whole microsoft office suite on it. Perhaps we have to start using these alternatives earlier on for them to be accepted. Lee 2009/2/10 Fearghas McKay fm-li...@st-kilda.org On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:23, Alun Rowe wrote: Microsoft offers the OS and Office at extremely competitive prices to schools. I have heard it quoted as being around £5 per license for Office. It is cheaper but not that cheap... At Glasgow University it used to be nearly that cheap - because there was a site wide licence students could get a set of discs for ~£10. Which probably only just about covered the costs of the admin and the floppies. The current retail price for a 3 user Home/School use only copy is £99, inc VAT, so £33 a user. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide
Frankie Roberto wrote: Incidentally, the news story mentions that Alex Wissner-Gross, who calculated the figures, has set up the website http://www.co2stats.com/ which is a *commercial* service that allows you to pay to offset the carbon produced by your webservers, so call me cynical, but he perhaps has a vested interest in talking up the carbon costs of the web... Amongsts the 'benefits' of his service (http://www.co2stats.com/benefits.php), he even lists 'increase the time your visitors and customers spend on your website' (err, how does that reduce carbon footprint) and 'get link traffic from other green websites' (at best this is useless, at worst it's a link farm). This is exactly what I thought when I read the article, it didn't actually have to mention his website but the minute I got to the inclusion of it I dismissed it as advertising. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Meeting requests, Out of Offices and Strangeness oh my
What's going on recently? A wind down to the year causing confusion in my inbox? I've got Ross trying to invite me to a meeting (I think, I don't use ical) and Katy is out of the Office. I feel like I need to submit something, erm, anyone coming to the pub after work? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Excuse the rant....
You should have no problem at Manchester Holiday Inn Central Park. Their line goes out over their ADSL, you do have to pay for it however but I know its a Zen line. Yes we've all experienced this time to time. I have this at every Holiday Inn hotel I stay at. On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 18:17 +, Peter Bowyer wrote: iPlayer thinks that the Hilton Hotel, Leeds is outside the UK. Doubtless because Hilton's hotel broadband is provided by 'i-Bahn', which sounds suspiciously German. Good job I have some downloaded video to watch, that's all. /rant (Apologies to those Twitter friends who have enjoyed this rant already) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Excuse the rant....
The guest internet access probably goes over a VPN tunnel to France, though. Peter Possibly, but I don't think so. I maintain their IT so unless their little box that does the ticket allocating magic has the VPN tunnel going to France, which I'm 99.9% sure it doesn't, it should be fine. 2008/12/11 Lee Ball l...@leenukes.co.uk: You should have no problem at Manchester Holiday Inn Central Park. Their line goes out over their ADSL, you do have to pay for it however but I know its a Zen line. Yes we've all experienced this time to time. I have this at every Holiday Inn hotel I stay at. On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 18:17 +, Peter Bowyer wrote: iPlayer thinks that the Hilton Hotel, Leeds is outside the UK. Doubtless because Hilton's hotel broadband is provided by 'i-Bahn', which sounds suspiciously German. Good job I have some downloaded video to watch, that's all. /rant (Apologies to those Twitter friends who have enjoyed this rant already) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Bring Back Soul Train
Train Hit and Run? Rather than bring back Soul Train, maybe we could create something like Soul Train crossed with Hitman Her? :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Boxee.net
It looks good, so it won't install on an Xbox then? I currently runn XBMC which suits, although it has the odd bug but the release I hae isn't quite current. Hi All, I discovered yesterday late last night boxee.net. - http://boxee.net/index2.php. Its basically the most advanced media centre I've ever seen. Its built on top of the xbox media centre (xbmc) so it plays everything and supports resolutions up to 1080p. Its hard to describe but the integration between the net and local media is very tight. I had a play yesterday night (3am) and was pretty blown away. It feels like XBMC, acts like XBMC and even has the same defaults and bugs as the current XBMC. But has a simpler interface and could be pushed to a mainstream audience. Its Mac and Ubuntu only right now and doesn't support live TV through a tuner card just like xbmc, but who cares when everything's going ip right? The site is all locked up to a private alpha right now but there's a review here and even a video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzXu05ZuvII | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwQG-4kT7FENR=1 Hopefully I'll get some invites for backstagers soon - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Music Beta launches
Wow, thats really amazing. Well done people. My team have produced another corker... http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/beta is a lovely looking site, and contains lots and lots of lovely APIs... more details at http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/developers#RESTful How splendid. Well done, chaps and chapesses. j - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
'd like to draw yo attention to a book published recently... 'The Future of the Internet' by Jonathan Zittrain http://www.amazon.com/Future-Internet-How-Stop/dp/0300124872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1209563113sr=1-1 I'd like to draw your attention to these sites ;) : http://www.linkpot.net http://www.tinyurl.com http://www.tiny.cc/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
Steve Jolly wrote: To eliminate confusion, I propose that we in future refer to the FSF definition of free as GNU/Free. I thank you. Or you could say 'free software, as defined by the Free Software Foundation', which is more accurate and doesn't fall into the logical trap of everything having a GNU prefix which some people may fall into. matt signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
Thomas Leitch wrote: You know if Godwin's first law was that as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. Then his second law must state that for any Backstage discussion that grows longer, the probability that the topics of freedom and/or DRM crop-up also approach one. I hereby announce the creation of 'Highfield's law' - As an BBC Backstage discussion grows longer, the probability of a post involving Digital Restrictions Management, iPlayer or freedom approaches one :) matt signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
Dan, Please stop posting the same message :) matt signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
vijay chopra wrote: I've read that page a number of times previously, it doesn't counter any of my queries or objections to GPLv3. For example, the perceived problem of tivoisation runs counter to the first freedom the freedom to use software for any purpose. Do TIVO (or indeed other companies) not share that right? The spirit of the General Public License is to allow and encourage cooperation. Tivo actions were contrary to that, refusing to allow you to run the software on hardware you'd purchased. matt signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
vijay chopra wrote: Again, like you, IANAL and haven't scrutinized the full text of GPLv3, but from what I've read it seems to me that it actually limits the users freedoms by limiting the hardware that it can run on; indeed the tivoisation clause seems to go against the first of the FSFs self proclaimed four freedoms. the freedom to use the software for any purpose. The idea of the 'tivoisation' clause is to ensure that if you buy a piece of hardware that runs GPL licensed software, that the source code made available to you, by the manufacturer can be modified and run on the hardware. The issue with Tivo was, they'd give you the code, but if you wanted to run your own binaries on the unit, you couldn't. Full disclosure: I'm intellectually bias against the GPL for other reasons, so take anything I say on the matter with that in mind. Do tell. Disclaimer: I'm a campaigns manager at the Free Software Foundation. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
vijay chopra wrote: What about their freedom to use the software for *any* purpose? ( http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) I don't see that quote on that page. Please don't misquote us :) * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. Tivo are restricting YOUR freedom to run the program for any purpose. You buy a Tivo, it runs free software - except that Tivo won't let you exercise your freedoms under the GPL. It won't let you run modified GPL licensed software on your own computer, which in this case is a Tivo. At the basic level I find the GPL to be hypocritical, claiming to be free whilst imposing restrictions of it's own. The GPL doesn't, in my mind, impose any greater restriction that 'this software is free software and if you distribute it, you must ensure it stays free software, so that anyone receiving a copy has the same rights you did.' - nobody is forced to use GPL licensed software in their DVR, but if they do, then they should not restrict others. I dislike it's viral nature, I don't believe that it's free to make other people adopt your license. I also distrust the or any later version clause, I find changing terms and conditions unilaterally after they have been agreed to be unfair. You can remove the 'or later version' part. Also note it says 'at your option', so if something is GPLv2 or later versions, and you don't like the GPLv3, you can simply use it under the terms of GPLv2. As for making other people adopt your license - nobody is forcing anyone to use GPL software, but if they do, then the license is designed to ensure everyone who gets the software is entitled to the same freedoms. Are you really arguing that you should be free to oppress people if you desire? Both of the above would be fine if the FSF and RMS stopped claiming that the GPL is free, in an ordinary license they would be perfectly acceptable but from self proclaimed crusaders of freedom and good I find them hypocritical. I suppose that's my real objection to the GPL. The GPL is a free software license, just like the BSD license. The GPL differs however, in that is a copyleft license. Our work on free software is motivated by an idealistic goal: spreading freedom and cooperation. We want to encourage free software to spread, replacing proprietary software that forbids cooperation, and thus make our society better. Proprietary software development does not contribute to our community, but its developers often want handouts from us. Copyleft refutes this. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.html matt signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] The BBC Backstage Christmas Party 2007
Dave Crossland wrote: Who else is up for this? :-) How many other people would attend a parallel event, run somewhere outside London, like.. Manchester? matt signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] How long should copyright last?
Michael Sparks wrote: That's a rights expression, and is therefore a DRM. The restrictions however aren't enforced by anything other than your clearly high good will and estimation of Ian and your basic desire to not give him a headache :-) That's not DRM, that's rights expression, as you say. It's not managed, in any such way. I think Office 2007 can do something where you can't copy/print/forward certain mails. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] How long should copyright last?
Noah Slater wrote: On 29/11/2007, Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cc:prohibits rdf:resource=http://web.resource.org/cc/CommercialUse/ I would hasten to point out that I do not approve of non-commercial clauses. Avoid this licence and choose one that doesn't restrict freedom instead: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Actually, BY-SA would be best. It protects the rights, much like the GPL. Attribution only is not a strong copyleft. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] Muddy Boots on Backstage
Adam wrote: You could argue that computers started this way 25 years ago with a central mainframe storing all the data centrally and we moved away from this architecture due to limited connection speeds. Or because the cost of running one big computer and a bunch of dumb terminals became less of an issue, when you can buy a computer in Tesco[1] for 200 quid With internet speeds increasing these online systems are very useful for the average user who sends emails, writes letters, etc, as they take away the burden of looking after software and keeping it up to date. This is something that most computer users don't always understand. Right, this is something that operating system providers can fix, tho. Plus ask a group when the last time they backed up their documents and a majority would probably say never or too long ago to be useful. Again, I'm not arguing against backups. They are useful things and everyone could backup more. [1] other supermarket chains are available -- Matt Lee (mattl at fsf dot org) Campaigns Manager, Free Software Foundation - http://www.fsf.org/ Support our work - http://donate.fsf.org/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester I'm shocked no ones mentioned the new backstage schwag!!! You disabled comments on the page :( - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] W3C and the Overton window
Gordon Joly: At 18:51 + 30/11/06, Andy Roberts wrote: On 30/11/06, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I wasn't thinking of the non-technies, but rather sticking the badge in the footer. A tiny little badge, You'd hardly notice it. Just feel that the BBC should be representing standards on all levels: whilst these days most listeners may not notice a split infinitive, one still expects split infinitives to be caught before reaching the airwaves Careful now. There is a pretty large school of thought that says there is no problem with split infinitives in English. Complaining about split infinitives is kind of like saying guess what happened to Mike and I. I realised that as I wrote -- but I rather like the provocation that solid standards seem to have on large schools of people: I used to get a kick out of pointing out Microcruft's W3C breaches. Now they've got their act together, I need a new hobbyhorse, and think the Beeb is convenient (coz I'm sat here). Really, not too radical to suggest the BBC be a standard bearer, is it? Lee Goddard http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] W3C and the Overton window
Ian Forrester: So the questions is what could the BBC Backstage be doing to help the W3C? Besides recommending good practice and standards? The BBC could clean-up its HTML output (at the very least that messy toolbar that gives my IA's such headaches), and enforce (not request) accessibility. With such a large audience, I think those changes could have a very positive knock-on effect. But I also feel it's a matter of principle: I expect to see the BBC's very high standards and quality measures applied to the source code of its websites in a way that it is not. Must say that I've noticed these changes are being implemented, and it does seem that BBC internet services are (going to be) much more central to the organisation that they have been in the past, so I hope to see W3C standards promoted even more highly. Whilst tiny W3C Valid XHTML badges generally annoy me, but I think the BBC is the perfect place to display them. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] W3C and the Overton window
Jason Cartwright: Lee Goddard: Whilst tiny W3C Valid XHTML badges generally annoy me, but I think the BBC is the perfect place to display them. ... Having to, or wanting to explain how something is achieved to an end users is, to me, a sign of the technology's infancy - and is something we need to overcome. Best recent example of this - Flash video - it just works and everyone loves it. /rant :-D :) I wasn't thinking of the non-technies, but rather sticking the badge in the footer. A tiny little badge, You'd hardly notice it. Just feel that the BBC should be representing standards on all levels: whilst these days most listeners may not notice a split infinitive, one still expects split infinitives to be caught before reaching the airwaves Failing that, just sorting out the messy HTML (Barley) would be ... so very, very nice! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Psiphon
From P Edwards (Monday, November 27, 2006 11:19 PM): I think it is pretty laughable :-) I am very happy to pay for quality and expensive programming, but being censored from the same, just because of a legal precedent, is almost the ultimate insult, especially if one does have a UK TV license. In my hallucination, it should take one person within Auntie's legal department about a month to change the contracts for content production, add some budget for servers and bandwidth, to make the biggest change to how the BBC works since radio gave way to black and white TV. Probably less time, but I guess the problems isn't that the Beeb can't find the time for contract-updating. I imagine every recording has associated contracts and releases, and often after the initial broadcast and an agreed number of re-broadcastings, the artist release evaporates, and the rights revert to the performers. I can hear the voices of resistance still. There is absolutely no reason not to Hosting all that media, not to mention distributing it at a reasonable rate, is not going to be cheap. So where exactly did all this locking out and streaming certain content to certain places come from? Big brother? :-) It certainly annoyed me when in Cologne: I could watch Planet Earth but not the website. On the other hand, I would be more annoyed if, after paying my TV Tax/Licence, I couldn't watch the website because the bandwidth is consumed by people outside the UK who don't pay for it. Maybe that's selfish of me :) How about leading the way with both feet in to a new world of a really universal BBC on the net, with none of the boundaries? The opposite to the TV world. To be fair, it is the British Broadcasting Corporation, not Universal ;) Flippant, but I do think that it is not the job of the British Broadcasting Corporation to be addressing the world (save the World Service, World news channel): rather, shouldn't Auntie be taking care of broadcasting to the British people? I'm sure that a way could be programmed to reverse Psiphon or the like, with something like real-time P2P to distribute the feeds via a massive server of trusted associates, now that would be exciting. Doesn't P2P tend to distribute the lowest common denominator? So it'd still be hard to find my little history documentaries online. I'll pay and deliver, how's that? I hope that the future is MAC addresses, not IP's. It's much easier to spoof a MAC address than an IP address, though. Lee I rather like Mark Thompson Goddard Not a BBC Employee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Psiphon
On the other hand, UKTV is part (50%?) owned by the BBC, so there *are* new ways the Beeb can work, and the Beeb is capable of finding them. Which is a bit of a surprise, but a pleasant one. -- Lee Goddard Independent Contractor, Software Development/Analysis BBC Radio * Room 718 · Henry Wood Hs · Regents St · London W1 1AA · * 020 776 50849 ? lee(at)server-sidesystems.ltd.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Psiphon
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Hyett It seems obvious to me that this transition, led by music will mean that they spend more time on the PC, watching than they do on the TV. Its a generational thing Yeah: keep the kids away from the remote control for my big screen and media PC, and they'll have to watch TV on their sorry little PC! Is this the place to ask why BBC News have such an excellent MCE package, and BBC2 Broadband doesn't? -- Lee Goddard Independent Contractor, Software Development/Analysis BBC Radio * Room 718 · Henry Wood Hs · Regents St · London W1 1AA · * 020 776 50849 ? lee(at)server-sidesystems.ltd.uk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[backstage] Sport RSS Feeds?
Does anyone know if there are or plan to be feesd of sport (rugby) leagues on the BBC? -- Lee Goddard Independent Contractor, Software Development/Analysis BBC Radio * Room 718 · Henry Wood Hs · Regents St · London W1 1AA · * 020 776 50849 ♫ lee(at)server-sidesystems.ltd.uk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [backstage] News Map
If you liked that, you will like http://programmableweb.com/matrix which listed the BBC News map quite a while ago. Entry for the BBC API: http://programmableweb.com/api/BBC There's another six or so mash-ups of BBC stuff, too. -- Lee Goddard Independent Contractor, Software Development/Analysis BBC Radio * Room 718 · Henry Wood Hs · Regents St · London W1 1AA · * 020 776 50849 ? lee(at)server-sidesystems.ltd.uk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:29 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] News Map Just came across this map (as I was looking for a Technorati tags plugin for WordPress) built by Ben O'Neill. It's clever, I particularly like the way it loads the last 12 hours of stories, rather than just the live feeds at the moment. It's probably just a few clicks from becoming a widget too. http://benedictoneill.com/content/newsmap/ http://benedictoneill.com/content/newsmap/ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 8008 3959 07711 913241 Matthew Cashmore.vcf
RE: [backstage] New backstage.bbc.co.uk website
How would you like to consume the site... Mobile / www / offline downloads? WWW, RSS, thanks for asking! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC Web TV Anytime API
I'm using the BBC Web API http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/ to get programme info for a prototype of the Radio Four homepage. I'm having problems getting TV Anytime data for some requests: the first URI below fails, the second returns data as expected: http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/api/query.pl?method=bbc.programme.getInfoprogramme_id=crid://bbc.co.uk/952132253format=tvanytime http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/api/query.pl?method=bbc.programme.getInfoprogramme_id=crid://bbc.co.uk/952132253 The only difference is that the first request is for TV Anytime data, the second for "simple". Any ideas would be appreciated lee -- Lee Goddard Independent Contractor, Software Development/AnalysisBBC Radio Music Interactive☺ Room 718 |Henry Wood Hs | Regents St | London W1 1AA | UK (020 776 50849 * lee(at)server-sidesystems.ltd.uk
RE: [backstage] BBC Web TV Anytime API
Many thanks! Hi Lee, You've found a difference in the date ranges being served in the simple and TV-Anytime versions. I've identified the fix, but it'll take a while for it to be applied to the external server. Thanks for reporting it! Andrew - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
