[backstage] Remember the controversy about HD freeview and DRM?
Here is episode 2: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/14/bbc-hd-drm TL;DR? Cory Doctrow: The Guardian just published an investigative piece I wrote about the BBC's successful petition to cripple its public broadcasts with DRM. Nearly everyone who commented on the proposal to the regulator, Ofcom, hated it, but Ofcom granted permission to use DRM anyway. The BBC and Ofcom said that the convincing arguments were in the secret, redacted text of a memo the BBC wrote to Ofcom, and both refused to release the memo, even after Freedom of Information requests were filed, citing commercial sensitivity. I published the secret text in my article and as you can see, it's neither commercially sensitive, nor convcincing. Our regulator is allowing the BBC to lock up the TV we're required by law to pay for, to give new privileges to American broadcasters that they are denied in the USA, and they're citing commercial sensitivity to keep up from finding out why. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ping...
On 02/06/11 16:59, Christopher Woods wrote: Is this list still alive? I'm here! [and, crucially, still read this!] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Streaming video on variable bandwidth connection?
On 02/02/11 18:59, Christopher Woods wrote: I'm trying to work out what technology to use I have no experience in this myself but I've been impressed by the reliability and quality of the LiveU system. Leo Laporte (and co) used it to do walkabout live coverage of CES 2011 and it really held up well, even in the LVCC (where NOBODY can get 3G signal). That said, it was using four 3G cards, one from each major US telco, to load balance! A good chunk of the backpack is just batteries, surprise surprise... Oooh. Interesting. I'm trying to do something similar-ish I guess, but on the cheap, in a different form factor, for fun. :) Perhaps see if you can find any literature about what hardware they ended up using? There *must* be some, I imagine most of the gear is just OOTB with some very clever coding running the show. To be honest the hardware isn't really that complex if you put your head to it.. and neither is *most* of the software as far as I can work out... this is the only bit really where I didn't have a good idea of how to implement it... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Streaming video on variable bandwidth connection?
On 02/02/11 00:55, Kieran Kunhya wrote: See http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/archives/286 ooh *awesome*. You could even make the application talk to the 3G driver (possibly by reading /proc/whatever now and then, so that it can adapt based on the signal strength/type). If there's packet loss you can also use periodic intra refresh mode which will give you some error resiliency. I'd recommend also using UDP because 3G latency is pretty rubbish. There's a slice-max-size option which means you could put a single H.264 slice inside a UDP packet, though your decoder will have to support doing this. Yes. This is a good plan. I was hoping there was something slightly more developed already but this is the best answer I've had so far across several lists and has provided considerable food for thought. :D (And if you really wanted to go the full shebang you could have a main receiver communicate with the transmit server to invalidate reference frames which the decoder didn't receive...) indeed. Thanks again! :D - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Streaming video on variable bandwidth connection?
On 02/02/11 00:55, Kieran Kunhya wrote: See http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/archives/286 ooh *awesome*. You could even make the application talk to the 3G driver (possibly by reading /proc/whatever now and then, so that it can adapt based on the signal strength/type). If there's packet loss you can also use periodic intra refresh mode which will give you some error resiliency. I'd recommend also using UDP because 3G latency is pretty rubbish. There's a slice-max-size option which means you could put a single H.264 slice inside a UDP packet, though your decoder will have to support doing this. Yes. This is a good plan. I was hoping there was something slightly more developed already but this is the best answer I've had so far across several lists and has provided considerable food for thought. :D (And if you really wanted to go the full shebang you could have a main receiver communicate with the transmit server to invalidate reference frames which the decoder didn't receive...) indeed. Thanks again! :D - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Streaming video on variable bandwidth connection?
Hey guys, Can I pick your brains please. :) I'm trying to work out what technology to use; Situation: Mobile Linux computer connected via 3G/GPRS to internet. The computer is likely to encounter fluctuating connectivity where it connectivity drops between low GPRS signal, full HDPSA signal and completely offline. Objective: I'm trying to find a technology to stream [live] video from a V4L2 device to 'the internet' over the able connection. The connection only needs to be one way. Caveat: Ideally I need to work out something that makes a 'best effort' judgement based on the amount/quality of bandwidth available and and streams the best picture it can. Eg. Where loads of bandwidth is available, there is a nice picture and where there isn't, there isn't a nice picture, but there isn't nothing. Does anything like this exist? Ideally something I can pull the video out in something resembling a sane format would be cool. Bonus points if it's easily scriptable... Cheers, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Fwd: [WAUK] listen again on BBC
Original Message Subject: [WAUK] listen again on BBC Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:43:32 + From: Alain Williams a...@phcomp.co.uk Reply-To: Work Alone UK w...@workalone.co.uk Organization: Parliament Hill Computers Ltd To: Work Alone UK w...@workalone.co.uk Your chance to comment. The assume that 7 days is the period that people will want to listen to something again. I have prepared a reply including the comment that it should be 1 month to allow me to catch up on return from holiday. Their report is 48 pages, rambling, repetitive, wooly and conclusions not always clear. Enjoy: https://consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/departments/bbc/on-demand-syndication---provisional-conclusions/consultation/consult_view Reply to: syndication.rev...@bbc.co.uk -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 http://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: http://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php #include std_disclaimer.h -- For new posts USE THIS: w...@workalone.co.uk Send attachments to w...@files.phcomp.co.uk Pool of talent: http://www.workalone.co.uk/network/index.htm http://lists.workalone.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/wauk This email delivered to: li...@tdobson.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if..
On 18/11/10 17:12, Ant Miller wrote: http://digitizor.com/2010/11/15/hacked-kinect-brings-futuristic-user-interface/ 10 points to the first person to link it up with compiz! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if..
On 18/11/10 23:47, Ant Miller wrote: We're having a meeting next week to discuss hack demos for the maker faire and big bang science fair in march next year, and kinect and similar are certainly on the agenda. Anyone who fancies joining in, BBC or external, is welcome to drop me a line, Any idea, geographically, where the meeting is likely to be? :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage- End of an Era
On 21/10/10 18:34, Ant Miller wrote: This is a community though, and a vocal one at that, so please do let us know how you feel about this. What have we missed, how can we do it better, what opportunities do you think we can take but may have overlooked? For the moment we will continue to support this mailing list, and we'll probably pop into the friends of now and again if we're welcome too. If you've not been keeping up to date recently, Ant's talking about this: http://pielists.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/friends-of-backstage Ant, as far as I'm concerned, anyone and everyone is welcome on the friends-of-backstage list providing they keep to the rules: Be Nice To Each Other and Don't Break The Law. If you are rude or spam the list then you'll be taken off. To summerise; anyone who is comfortable here should be comfortable on the friends-of-backstage list. BBC staff, friends, family, pets and everyone else are welcome to announce and invite discussion about things people think will be of interest to others. The usual Plea will also apply: Please be gentle with the BBC staff on the list - they suffer enough already. From a personal point of view, I'm happy to see new things appear on the horizon and for people to innovate in this space however, this community has provided lots of interesting and eye opening things to me over the past few years and I don't want to lose it for any reason. :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Welcome to: Friends of Backstage
Hi there, We all enjoy the Backstage list and any sort of uncertainty about the lists future isn't particularly encouraging, especially with suggestions that it's winding down. I've therefore setup an independent Friends of Backstage list to ensure we can continue the conversations, questions and discussions whatever the BBC overlords decide to do. Not only is it a mailing list, it's a *Mailman* mailing list. *shock horror* You're all welcome to join: http://pielists.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/friends-of-backstage Any suggestions, questions, flames, rants or thoughtful offers to help moderate new users/spam should be directed to li...@tdobson.net Cheers, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Welcome to: Friends of Backstage
No worries. :) To be fair, the idea has been around for a while for various reasons but now seems like a good time to bring it to life. :) Tim On 13/10/10 14:13, Brian Butterworth wrote: Tim, Thanks On 13 October 2010 13:56, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote: Hi there, We all enjoy the Backstage list and any sort of uncertainty about the lists future isn't particularly encouraging, especially with suggestions that it's winding down. I've therefore setup an independent Friends of Backstage list to ensure we can continue the conversations, questions and discussions whatever the BBC overlords decide to do. Not only is it a mailing list, it's a *Mailman* mailing list. *shock horror* You're all welcome to join: http://pielists.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/friends-of-backstage Any suggestions, questions, flames, rants or thoughtful offers to help moderate new users/spam should be directed to li...@tdobson.net Cheers, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer playback on Nokia N900s - Maemo project have come up with a new possible workaround
On 11/10/10 18:36, Nick Morrott wrote: On 11 October 2010 18:22, Alex Cockell a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk wrote: Hi Tim I got your hash, but not the message body... Alex, You appear to have quoted Tim's message in your reply :) hehe. Sorry, about it - just been switching between mail clients and it was easier to sign it than to not. :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer playback on Nokia N900s - Maemo project have come up with a new possible workaround
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/10 20:03, Alex Cockell wrote: Apparently the N900 is able to handle the Android feeds without hassle. ... or could we just have a non-flash based version? I know one of the iplayer scripts is in testing-devel repository... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMszegAAoJEFGyIhEBWd2JKFMH/1fXZl8+viHA3powe1QZk976 yBe7e/yHQV5RT5AziiyYf/9bQQ5Fego9j4Gypfi6SeMLjNZWMagiVOSY5f1Bk+iE ClHzenyOhLRlwPXnElRAh484rAysV5/jz7XeiSPc3ZoiOjoIaTkKHnKOz4dfbffK VPfQhU7c7B3go92mAC0i7l8oJlIrnjYwq5PPTu8pO4RFRMQMoqJ9IfQwaYAUljVc LQNh1AHf2WUlJfNqBVs+kYKhQoMO2PXqKDpPvdq5w9mgK3MVu/URD5hDAszD6aWr T9VtTN2t1JtbfHHQ42RYov9x3zEygrb0lAoVs+MG4aDj4hQlkbLmptKbvTNMREA= =VsD2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:33:38 +0100, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 13:21, Nick Morrott knowledgejun...@gmail.com wrote: Accordingly, Project Canvas should publish all the application programming interfaces (“API”s) and use unencumbered open standards so as to enable anyone to provide “Project Canvas-ready” client solutions on any platform. Gah, this makes no sense in the context of what Canvas actually is. If you're going to bitch and moan, at least bloody do it coherently. +1 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Internet Standards role
People might be interested in this role that seems to be creating a bit of a buzz http://jobs.bbc.co.uk/fe/tpl_bbc01.asp?newms=jjid=35072aid=10281 apparently: The D in 9D is Days condition, and as it's London, that was £37,293 - £54,646 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Young Rewired State :: 2nd-6th August
Apologies for the blatant offtopicness, but recently I've been thinking it's how it's more important than ever to get young people aware and engaged with digital issues. (Please forward this email to anyone you think it might interest) This email is Manchester specific, but Young Rewired State is happening across the UK. :) - What is Young Rewired State? Young Rewired State (YRS) is a initiative that aims to support young developers and coders in using public data to build apps, websites and anything else that people may use. It is about mashing up and getting out there with data people may not have seen or experienced before. - Who can take part? Anyone aged between 15-18. - When is it? YRS will take place *next week* between Monday 2nd August and Friday 6th August 2010 - Where is it taking place? YRS is taking place at centres across the country - there are centres in Brighton, London, Norwich, Oxford, Birmingham and Manchester. In Manchester we will be based at the MadLab - a space well-known for digital collaboration in the city centre. - What will happen? We will meet on the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at the MadLab and work together on ideas and developments. On Friday 6th August we will take the train down to London to meet the other teams, show tell our work and perhaps win a prize! - Do I need to have skills? The nature of Young Rewired State means that people will get quite technical however we are looking more for a mindset rather than simply technical skills. If you have programming experience then you are very welcome and if you are interested in developing apps, websites or good uses of public data, then by all means come along. Basically, we want you to have 'tinkered' with computers in your own time and of your own accord. - What time will it be each day? We can meet at MadLab at 10.30am each day, and try and finish around 5pm or so. - Who else is involved? In Manchester we are supported by the MadLab and staff from Substance, Blackpool Council and Digital Freedom in Education and Youth. All support staff will be CRB checked and we will always be in a group. - How much does the whole week cost to attend? It's free to attend. Nada. Nothing. £0.00. All we ask is that you commit to turning up on time each day. :) - Do I need to register? Yes - there is a central registration form at YRS (http://events.osmosoft.com/recipes/yrs/tiddlers.wiki ), but if you would be as kind to email us to let us know that you've registered we can pass information straight over to you! - What else do I need to do? We need to know that you've told an responsible adult as to where you'll be - particularly if you come to London. By all means, put them in contact with us, if there is anything not clear? - So, why should I do this? YRS is the great opportunity to develop the next killer app whilst getting a headstart into IT and meeting people at the cutting edge of technology! - It's been a long time since I was 18 but this sounds rather exciting, is there any way I can lend a hand? Yes! Can you forward this email to anyone who would be interested in attending? Please do pass it on! We are looking for extra sponsors and mentors. Donations of developer time, money or prizes would be very gratefully recieved. Contact the organisers: Tim Dobson/Steven Flower: y...@tdobson.net Tim: 01457 597 007 --- P.S. Sorry if you've recieved this via several lists - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] XML CMS?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/07/10 10:35, Stephen Jolly wrote: On 4 Jul 2010, at 12:35, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Not sure whether I an is back at work, or well enough to respond, Ian is up and about, and came into the office briefly last week to say hello to everyone, but he's not back at work yet. He's up and about, but currently taking time off work to recover and sort things out. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMMuJiAAoJEFGyIhEBWd2JagoH/jJ30BPrfMzg0WtxYW2w8KsU wBk4sAyW/CyaFv090kp37zcxnr+mS88el8ulcwq6EZg7+kFNdEV6B+qsjVSVXmzV T2zYchxgJkUlJINwvGGVCabk0/5Q9mEW63EjBgtDHNTIKHWrKrbIFzxNoAQoBDzu AWq8F1VO/zVoDL/TVRj/ApXCy53xJOzcEWfLkkfX3Vxr4OkoylErNLKEbUro/skC e9ous1winEmKkIZXmQtecMq4YsIFFJPsPsm43pZJttuHrPgfQsBi2N4q73OIktw8 CMhUuP4rnMc2G3J98YpQjlCiFUPxnzQPEp65Okrv7OruruROqe4wZ4dRFp0CWsg= =71rg -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ian
On 18/05/10 13:37, Peter Bowyer wrote: Just read on Twitter that Ian Forrester is unwell - fingers crossed for a speedy recovery. Ian's been unwell over the past week or so and is currently recuperating in hospital. At the moment I don't really have anything more - he's taking it easy and will get back to everyone in due course when he's fighting fit again. If there's any BBC related issues, his line manager, Adrian, (cc'd in) should be able to assist or step in. I'll let you know when we hear more - as I said he's recovering a degree of of privacy would almost certainly be appreciated. You can leave him well-wishes here: http://bit.ly/a4MdIE Cheers, Tim Friend/Colleague/Flatmate - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?
Brian Butterworth wrote: It's probably been banned, now.Along with TCP/IP. Did no one tell those stupid MPs that the whole Internet is peer-to-peer? http://meeb.org/post/505849844/i-wrote-to-my-mp-two-weeks-ago-regarding-my-shock Considering this, probably not! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
Ian Forrester wrote: No I'd rather you not turn this into a Party Political debate. If you want that type of debate, I can suggest many other places. Okie Dokie. Sorry to cause offence. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
Christopher Woods wrote: -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Stephen Jolly Sent: 06 April 2010 11:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester] How did the flashmob go, out of interest? +1 - any photos from the event? It went well, we had about 15 people there including Lib Dem MP for Manchester Withington, John Leech. Yeah there should be so photos and a report up soon. Possibly video too. Sorry for being slow. There are lots of things taking up time at the moment! Cheers, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
Mo McRoberts wrote: I’m fast running out of parties to vote for next month. The only party actually voicing real dissent is the one which introduced the bill! At risk of turning this into a party political debate, may I suggest the Pirate Party UK? :P Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
Whilst the practicalities of the Digital Economy Bill, may seem like a complete joke, sadly this email is no April Fools Prank. As you may be aware, the Digital Economy Bill is a piece of legislation which, if put through, would have quite serious implications for Digital Industries. What is the Digital Economy Bill? - Whilst billed a law about preventing copyright infringement, the bill has far reaching powers, allowing the government to block websites, (social networks, wikileaks, wikipedia), at will and changing one of the basis's of UK common law in assuming you guilty until proven innocent. THe bit I find particularly unhelpful the segment that holds the subscriber of the internet service liable for all activies on that line. This is essentially the death of open wifi in cafes and bars - its just unworkable if you are liable for the actions of your patrons. Why are we protesting? -- The DEB has been written at the behest of the media industry (some clauses were actually written by the BPI) with absolutely no regard for anybody else. Furthermore, not only is this bill flawed, it is being rushed through parliament without debate using a process known as wash up, which was intended for use on uncontroversial bills. If you're coming to the flashmob then sign up to get a ticket on EventBrite so we can let you know the exact location of the flashmob shortly before it begins! http://debflashmobmanchester.eventbrite.com/ We'll have plenty of flyers so just bring yourself and something to censor yourself with but we'll be providing black tape in case you can't. I'm sorry it has got to this stage, however I hope you'll join me there, Thanks, Tim Dobson -- PPUK PPC for Manchester Gorton 0161 8500 185 @tdobson http://tdobson.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Andrew Robinson (UK Pirate Party), speaking in Manchester on Thursday
Hi there, I've just found out that Andrew Robinson, leader of the UK Pirate Party[1] will be speaking in Manchester on Thursday evening. A graphic designer by trade and a musician in his spare time, Andrew heads up the UK Pirate party - a political party - registered with the electoral register with Reform copyright and patent law as one of it's core aims. He is going to be speaking at the launch event of Manchester Free Culture Society[2], a newly formed group to encourage discussion and debate about free culture and copyright with relation to creative works. - I'm told that the launch night will also feature: John Harris, Director of the ISEI (Institute for Science, Ethics and Innovation)[3] Creative Commons licenced band: I am Ten Ninja[4] A short film by Lawrence Lessig[5] Plus art, music, literature and software etc. -- As I mentioned, the event is this Thursday evening, in the council chambers at at Manchester University Student Union. The event is due to start at 6.30pm and go on until about 8pm. How to Get to the SU (Manchester Academy!): http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=m13+9PR http://www.umsu.manchester.ac.uk/contact_location/steve_biko_building_academy -- On a personal note, I'm not totally convinced that Mr Robinson has got it right, however I think that discussion and public debate about these issues is the only way of coming to a general consensus. Cheers, Tim -- Footnotes: [1] http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/party/about/ [2] http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=190893819841 [3] http://www.isei.manchester.ac.uk/about/welcome/ [4] http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Am-Ten-Ninja/114582563775 [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig -- Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=365903817097 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Move to Mailman
Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: Why? What can you do on a mailing list that you can't do on a message board? Be involved in many many of them from a standard, user customisable (read infinitely customisable) system. Example: http://files.tdobson.net/ss/tbird.mail.040310.png I currently have 100+ mailing lists coming to my mail client on li...@tdobson.net. If 1 list = 1 messageboard, then to be able to easily scan over a similar number of subject areas would require me to log onto each individual message board and look at each individual thread. As all the mailing lists I subscribe to are presented in a standard way, that I'm allowed to define (threaded with newest threads at the top), then I'm able to make most efficient use of my time. :) Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Move to Mailman
Ian Forrester wrote: Alright alright! I hear you all... So what's the first steps to make this happen? And you guys all sure you want mailman instead of something like a newsgroup or google group? Let the thread begin... The previous thread was pretty conclusive; Mailman * Perhaps a group of us could group together and like host a VPS with mailman on it? Thoughts? Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: indefinitely live BBC archive? my daughter (age 13) asks: why can't the BBC make some programmes available all the time? regards Jonathan ie there must be a large number of programmes that the BBC creates, and owns copyright permissions. why aren't at least some of these available via search indefinitely, aka youtube/bbc This thread reminds me of this: http://www.blog.tdobson.net/node/173 I'm glad there are people out there, like your daughter, who ask these questions. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] web jobs to go?
Mo McRoberts wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 14:28, Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The bit that worries me is .. a pledge not ever to produce services at a 'more local' level than is currently the case. because (a) 'not ever' seems a bit greedy, particularly as (b) I can't see there has been much interest in local by commercial media this goes back to the old 'will a commercial replacement fill the gap?' argument, and I did allude to it to an extent in that post: my guess is 'no, it won't', and I don't think much of that's the BBC's fault, really. the marketplace is changing, and the commercial environment is also changing. localised content is a very different game to ten - or even five - years ago. given that, I'd err more towards the BBC providing such services so that *somebody* will, even if that's under a relatively tight remit so that feature-creep doesn't have a negative effect upon commercial services in related areas. If Radio licences from Ofcom weren't so extortionate then we might see more community stations providing local content. The US has so many non-profit radio stations that it is hard to see why it is worth making permanent broadcast licences such commercial challenge to get. I mean WBAI New York[1] is probably one of the best non-profit stations out there but there are literally droves of them. Why we don't seem to want the UK to have this is beyond me... :-/ Cheers, Tim [1] well worth checking out: http://www.wbai.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues?
A few people seem to be getting a bit peeved by Some iPlayer developments designed to prevent them watching iPlayer via their XMBC media centre... http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbiplayer/F7331806?thread=7320127 Does this affect anyone here? Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: Slashdot| Apple's Trend Away From Tinkering
Did you read the article? http://diveintomark.org/archives/2010/01/29/tinkerers-sunset It sounded like you hadn't... Richard Lockwood wrote: Use a PC. Macs are consumer hardware - and it's never been suggested that they're anything else. Don't forget, the vast majority of people want their computer to just work - and that means: email, web browsing, basic word processing and maybe a spreadsheet. Oh, and handling their digital photos. And maybe their home videos. It's only people on this list who give more than a pico-shit* about making it do something interesting and different. Cheers, Rich. * the SI unit of caring On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Ian Stirling backstage...@mauve.plus.com wrote: Tim Dobson wrote: Thoughts on postcard? My postcard only has tickboxes for 'wish you were here', 'having a lovely time' and 'Had a lovely time at iDisney', all the rest of the card is too slippery to write on, what do I do? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Fwd: Slashdot| Apple's Trend Away From Tinkering
Thoughts on postcard? Original Message Subject: [GeekUp] Fwd: Slashdot| Apple's Trend Away From Tinkering Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:56:22 + From: Paul Robinson p...@vagueware.com To: GeekUp gee...@googlegroups.com I saw this over on the Open Manufacturing list, and figured as so many here are: a) Tinkerers b) Advocates of Free c) Apple Fan bois d) And/or Apple hate bois ... that this discussion might be of interest to several of you. Begin forwarded message: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/01/31/1657233/Apples-Trend-Away-From-Tinkering Having cut his programming teeth on an Apple ][e as a ten-year-old, Mark Pilgrim laments that Apple now seems to be doing everything in their power to stop his kids from finding the sense of wonder he did: 'Apple has declared war on the tinkerers of the world. With every software update, the previous generation of jailbreaks stop working, and people have to find new ways to break into their own computers. There won't ever be a MacsBug for the iPad. There won't be a ResEdit, or a Copy ][+ sector editor, or an iPad Peeks Pokes Chart. And that's a real loss. Maybe not to you, but to somebody who doesn't even know it yet.' http://diveintomark.org/archives/2010/01/29/tinkerers-sunset http://al3x.net/2010/01/28/ipad.html Lots of interesting comments from an open perspective (on all sides of the issue). --Paul Fernhout I have to admit this is about the best set of arguments I've seen for Free in a while. I sit here, about to go into a school and talk to a bunch of teenagers about careers in technology as part of my work with STEMnet. I was thinking earlier, most of them have probably never tinkered, but as we've discussed here in the past, if they did some of them would find the brilliance and happiness we all did when we first started tinkering. I am seriously tempted to reconsider my developer connection subscriptions with Apple as a result of thinking about this a bit more. Maybe. Other thoughts on all of this beyond the age old Free is the future vs GPL is for idiots debate we've had so many times before? -- Paul Robinson http://vagueware.com :: p...@vagueware.com :: +44 (0) 7740 465746 Vagueware Limited is registered in England/Wales, number 05700421 Registered Office: 3 Tivoli Place, Ilkley, W. Yorkshire, LS29 8SU Correspondence: 13 Crossland Road, Manchester, M21 9DU -- http://geekup.org/ | http://geekup.org/wiki/ | http://jobboard.geekup.org/ To post e-mail: gee...@googlegroups.com Or go online: http://groups.google.com/group/geekup/ To unsubscribe e-mail: geekup+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] H.264
Christopher Woods wrote: Nothing changes - H.264 for Internet Broadcast has been free, but was due to require a paid license as of this year. MPEG-LA have extended the free period for 5 years. (The BBC probably _does_ have a license for the AVC family, but it wouldn't affect this). Any idea why the MPEG-LA did this then? Seems to be quite an about-turn given everyoen was bracing for enforced commercial licensing... Read what it said again: -- MPEG LA announced today that its AVC Patent Portfolio License will continue not to charge royalties for Internet Video that is **free to end users** (known as Internet Broadcast AVC Video) during the next License term from January 1, 2011 to December 31, 2015. -- (emphasis is my own) I'm fairly uncomfortable about this because it's quite unclear what the situation is with regards to other uses of the codec. I'd prefer to feel safer use theora but :-/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Werewolf Manchester on Wednesday!
Hey everyone! We're kicking off 2010 with a game of Werewolf this Wednesday at Pure Space near Oxford Road. Even if you've never played before or if you think you're an expert come on down for a bit of paranoia, mob rule and deception. Upcoming has the details: http://upcoming.org/event/5319362 Feel free to bring a friend! See you Wednesday, Tim P.S. You might want to checkout our Facebook Group: http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=65919771319 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad
Mo McRoberts wrote: So, what does everyone think? Hm... I'm a bit concerned that they've taken what is basically general purpose computer and said you can only do what we allow you to do. If this was a Mac Tablet, I'm not sure I'd have an issue. On your Mac you can run pretty much anything you want on it; if you build a neat program that lets you do something Apple hadn't intended it be used for, then you are free to do so. It seems such a step backwards that the first device which will make a real impact on the tablet form factor is going to stifle developers open innovation and prevent consumers from getting the most out of their device. This article has a fairly balanced perspective on the issues apple has created: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/01/27/how-a-great-product-can-be-bad-news-apple-ipad-and-the-closed-mac/ (and how much effect will it have on the video situation over the next 18 months or so, do we reckon?) Now *that* is an interesting question. Probably very little - it's just a continuation of the iphone situation - limited Browser string. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad
Tim Dobson wrote: It seems such a step backwards that the first device which will make a real impact on the tablet form factor is going to stifle developers open innovation and prevent consumers from getting the most out of their device. Ahaha This is probably the funniest thing I've seen so far this year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
People might be interested that in the ORG perspective: Original Message Subject: Re: [ORG-discuss] ofcom drm bbc consultation - redux Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:14:47 + From: Jim Killock j...@openrightsgroup.org Reply-To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org References: 117182.75425...@web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com Just to say, Cory, myself and others met with Ofcom to discuss this. I don't think they had a full idea of the likely impacts, or the game playing that is going on. What is needed now is a wide coalition including potentially affected device manufacturers and software engineers to show the impacts on them. If anyone has contacts like these, please let me know. On 22 Jan 2010, at 12:19, Glyn Wintle wrote: Ofcom, following the great idea of asking the same question enough times till you get the answer you want, have published a new consultation. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content_mngt/condoc.pdf http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_management.html ___ ORG-discuss mailing list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://lists.openrightsgroup.org/mailman/listinfo/org-discuss To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org Jim Killock Executive Director Open Rights Group +44 (0) 7894 498 127 Skype: jimkillock http://twitter.com/jimkillock http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ ___ ORG-discuss mailing list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://lists.openrightsgroup.org/mailman/listinfo/org-discuss To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: People on the list may be interested in this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_manag ement.html - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Mail archives
Mo McRoberts wrote: Hi all, I know things are due to change on this list at *some* point (presumably post-move!), but this has been bugging me for a while :) I might be the only one, but I find mail-archive.com to be… suboptimal, it's quite often incredibly slow (sometimes to the point of being unusable). So, I was wondering if there'd be any objections to submitting the backstage list to gmane.org? Given it's a fairly public list with public archives, I can’t think of any reasons to _not_ do it, but thought it polite to solicit opinions form other members before jumping in with both feet! gmane sounds good to me. Perhaps possibly also do nabble? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-10438578-248.html http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/01/introducing-youtube-html5-supported.html http://www.youtube.com/html5 The pressure's on! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support
Brendan Quinn wrote: This is still the coolest HTML5 video demo I have seen, even though it was made a couple of years ago... it works in FF 3.5+, and I think Chrome and Safari now: http://people.mozilla.com/~prouget/demos/DynamicContentInjection/play.xhtml That is pretty awesome. http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ (Flash runtime in javascript) seems almost a bit of a let down now having seen that! Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Open Rights Group : Digital Economy Bill - Events around the country
I've just found out that The Open Rights Group are running an event on the 23rd of January at Madlab in Manchester to help the campaign against the Digital Economy Bill. They are also holding events all around Britain so check and see where is closest to you: http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2010/how-to-talk-to-your-mp-training-days -- The Open Rights Group wants to help you get your voice heard: by helping you to talk to your MP. Booking an appointment with your MP and saying what you think is easier than you might think. At this event you will: * Gain the confidence to talk and write to your MP * Rehearse talking to your MP one on one * Find out what MPs will ask you * Learn how to write to your MP and get a response * Meet other people campaigning against disconnection without trial in the Digital Economy Bill Talking to your MP is the most effective way to make sure Parliament knows how unpopular and bad disconnection without trial really would be. In these short sessions, you can try out talking to your MP or watch someone else having a go, and learn how to get your points across in a way that an MP will understand. To book, please use these form: http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2010/how-to-talk-to-your-mp-training-days --- See you there! Tim P.S. Obviously, if you support the Digital Economy Bill and want families to be cut off without trial, you needn't attend. No bad feelings! :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer and the Nokia N900
Mo McRoberts wrote: On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 20:50, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2010/1/1 Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net: it was suggested initially that GNU/Linux was pretty much irrelevant Only by ignorant assholes. :-) Making it a “GNU/Linux” issue misses the point, really: the OS itself is fairly irrelevant, and there’s no proprietary magic which can be incanted in order to make things suddenly wonderful on all Linux devices (in part by definition). The key is of course relying on open standards rather than FLV-in-RTMP for iPlayer. ’course, when the web-based iPlayer was launched, browser support for video / was practically nonexistant. Now… not so much. This, in a roundabout way, renders the old argument of “we don’t want to require everyone to have an H.264 decoder installed” somewhat moot, as video / makes it pretty easy to serve H.264 to those who support it and fall back to Flash for those who don’t. Of course, the _real_ issue is that serving content using standards which are now years old in formats which are widely-supported doesn’t account for DRM, despite its worthlessness: all of the other issues are pretty much red herrings compared to this. Good points. Yes, I think you are right actually, I was sightly missing the point, you, however, have cleared it up quite nicely. :) The default Maemo browser is essentially Firefox 3.5+ which supports video / (not natively H.264 though, but that's a different debate). With regards to DRM, well, I think some people are generally coming round to the idea that it may not be the be all and end all. We'll have to see what happens, but it wouldn't surprise me if 2010 was the year video DRM got dropped as DRM for audio and in music has been in the last year or two... Time will tell, but hear is to hoping. :) Have a good new year everyone! Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer and the Nokia N900
Adam wrote: Nokia have released the Nokia N900 phone based on their Maemo operating system. As it doesn't support S60 WRT that the current Nokia phones iPlayer app is written in is there anyway i can access the iPlayer videos directly. I can access the current videos and play them, but they are unwatchable as the phone can't handle them. This might be due to the standard streams using the VP6 codec, although i haven't been able to confirm this. The specs are: * Firefox Mobile browser * Flash 9.4 * Maemo OS based on Debian with ARM processor * User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-GB; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090928 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.4.1.21 RX-51 N900 Is there a work around to get iPlayer working on this phone and videos watchable? I've had a n900 for about a month now and I've been thinking about this quite a lot recently. The device is quite capable of playing h.264 at iplayer quality. I've been able to get it to play some HD stuff, and I'll try some iplayer quality stuff at some point. The hardware is certainly able to render good quality ogg+vorbis+theora/mpeg4+h264+aac fine. Watching flash iplayer with the device fundamentally works - the controls work - you can do full screen etc. However you only get one frame every two seconds due to flash being exceedingly heavy on the processor as opposed to native gstreamer video stuff. I don't really think it's the VP6 codec *per se* being the issue, but more the VP6 *flash player* bit. Unfortunately, I've been really busy lately but I keep meaning to knock together an iPlayer viewer with get_iplayer for the N900, perhaps by modifying one of the Maemo h264 youtube video viewers. The N900 was born for this sort of media consumption and it seems a shame that it is being prevented from doing it. I find it mildly ironic how back in the old days of the iPlayer flamewars, it was suggested initially that GNU/Linux was pretty much irrelevant and then subsequently that the Adobe stack would solve the cross platform compatibility issue. With a growing number of smartphone operating systems running GNU/Linux in some form (Android, Maemo, LiMo, WebOS etc.) and the number of smartphones not supporting flash (iPhoneOS), or not having the power to play anything in flash more intensive than Youtube eg. iPlayer (Every mobile OS that supports Adobe Flash?), I'm not sure that GNU/Linux is largely irrelevant or that Adobe is the answer. Hopefully the next iteration will take a common sense approach because the iPlayer concept really rocks. :) Have a great new year! Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Mo McRoberts wrote: Discuss. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TV Ends. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Wave
Brian Butterworth wrote: Hi folks, I have some Google Wave invites left .. please let me know if you would like one. I also have 16 left. If you'd like one, you're welcome. I wouldn't get excited though. I'm still not really impressed by it. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Interview with Rupert Murdoch
37 minute interview with Rupert Murdoch... Very interesting to hear his perspective on everything, however much I disagree with it. He calls the BBC a scandal... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7GkJqRv3BI Thoughts? Anyone think he's got some valid points? Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Ubuntu 9.10 Release Party - 30th October
This is the 'official' announcement. Please pass it on! It's back! Manchester will be celebrating the release of Ubuntu 9.10, Karmic Koala with a release party. The event will be at the Pitcher Piano on Deansgate Locks from 6pm until late on Friday 30th October. That's the day after the official release. The party is free to attend and no sign up is necessary. There will be free wifi and expect people to have ISOs of Ubuntu 9.10 (and Kubuntu, etc) available. The Pitcher Piano is a public house, so unfortunately under 18s will not be admitted after 7pm and anyone fortunate enough to look under 25 should bring ID. The Ubuntu 9.04 release party attracted over 60 people. Lets make this one even better! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] dot.life, windows 7 ubuntu
Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 13:31, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net mailto:li...@tdobson.net wrote: http://popey.com/blog/2009/10/21/bbc-breakfast-talk-up-windows-7-dismiss-rivals/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/24_hours_with_ubuntu.html I noticed this line in the dot.life article But when I tried to install a free open-source audio editing program, Audacity, it appeared more complex to get hold of an Ubuntu version than the one I've used on a Mac. What's really sad about this statement is he could have had audacity installed in seconds - I guess he didn't know about the package manager. I had assumed he had and just was confused. It would be interesting to make contact with him and find out. I'm starting to think that the first thing a fresh Ubuntu install should do (especially if it's straight from the factory) is show a video highlighting the features of Ubuntu and one of the first things shown should be how to install software. In general, installing software a much better experience then what you get with WIndows and Macs but it's also very different, so you end up with people claiming installing software is dificult. That's a good idea. I seem to remember Linspire 5.0 did this or something. Then I realise Linspire for what it is (great heaps of fail with added corporation-friendly buzzwords). I think it could be implemented crudely fairly with firefox 3.5 and html5. If you create like a simple portal with like 5 things down the side (welcome, using the gnome menu, installing software, where to find help, how to do xyz) it would be trivial to get it set as a homepage or something. this isn't idea as it assumes connectivity and various other stuff but still, for a very quick hack it's quite cool. There's already a massive repository of screencasts but doing new ones wouldn't be too difficult. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Andrew Bowden wrote: So it looks like mailman is the winner? Has the backstage community ever almost unanimously agreed on something before? It's nice for it to happen for once. :) Err... In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Microsoft *obviously* paid you to say that. Because you know you meant a custom built 5 year old ASP web forum which would DRM your children and prevent them from playing. Or something like that. This is obviously a conspiracy. ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Matt Hammond wrote: Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) I think we should move all of Backstage to Facebook!!!11 Everyone uses Facebook right!??!!?!1 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Ian Forrester wrote: So if we did decide to switch mailing system/message board, which one would you all prefer? Mailman. Please. Not google groups. Not a forum. And not Listserv. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Mo McRoberts wrote: Re mailman, it's okay, but remember the archives aren't the prettiest: web developer hat if you can tweak the HTML ever so slightly, you can add some CSS to clean that up. The mark-up’s pretty much fine in all honesty. /web developer hat I'm sure there are better examples but one of the most adventurous mailman setups I've come across is DCLUG: Their archives are slightly modified: http://www.dclug.org.uk/archive/2009/10/threads.html To be honest, I've not had much of an issue with archives mailman anyway. I find them heaps more logical and easy to navigate that google groups for instance. (Ever tried looking through a google groups archive?) They've even got search going on : http://www.dclug.org.uk/archive/#search and have it somewhat integrated into the rest of the site: http://www.dclug.org.uk/ Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Wave
Richard Lockwood wrote: Oh - peed off doesn't come into it. And thank you - if it does, you're a gent and I owe you a pint. I still stand by my opinion of Google's tactics though. :-) Yeah, I'd 100% agree there though I'd probably use less expletives to produce the same effect. It's a slimey marketing campaign though. Anyway, I just got my invite last night - timmydobson at gmail dot com I dont really understand it yet from playing with it for two minutes. If I can send invites, I might send some this way, but I suspect the public waiting list is as good a place as any by now. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'
Sean DALY wrote: So if I understand you, let's abolish copyright, and that way Microsoft, Adobe et.al. can just chuck their bloated old code and incorporate formerly free software into their binaries? And charge an arm and a leg for it as well. No thanks. I prefer the GPL, which derives its power from copyright law - the concept that creators decide how their work may be used. I support intellectual property law reform, but this is really throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Some reasonably good points Basically echoing this: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pirate-party.html Note: PPUK are NOT PPSE: http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2009/aug/18/rms-talks-pirate-party-uk/ P.S. I'm a parent, and I am glad copyright law provides me with some recourse should my teenager be dumb enough to upload a bad photo to a public internet site. Ahaha. Yeah this wasn't a great real life example to promote copyright law to me though. Firstly, you should remember that the exclusive rights belong to your teenager, not you. In practise, though you should remember this it is not likely to be an issue. Copyright law provides some recourse if they upload a bad pictures that they took themselves to, say flickr. If another teenager takes a bad picture of your teenager and posts it on flickr. You and your teenager have pretty much no recourse under traditional copyright law. It may depend a little bit on where the photos are taken - football stadiums try and use EULA's on tickets to claim copyright over all In my humble opinion, I don't think you should be able to claim any exclusive rights under copyright, of photos of you just because you are in a photo. For more information about photographers rights see http://www.sirimo.co.uk/2009/05/14/uk-photographers-rights-v2/ I'm afraid though that next, you're going to tell me that children should be free of parental control and report their parents to the NKVD if they aren't permitted to use RapidShare or MEGAUPLOAD ??? This is completely unrelated? :S Cheers, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Wave
Rupert Watson wrote: Tim If you haven't watched it, I really recommend you watch Lars's demo that is online. It is an hour and a half or so, but it gives a VERY good feel for what they think is possible. I stuck it on the phone and watched it on the commute. I got quite excited at some points. Uh, yeah, I should. I've got a long train journey on thursday. I might well follow your lead As a support company I am immensely excited about what this can do for us and our customers internal and external communication. I think (and hope) it will be a massive success as we could really use a tool like this. I really hope it works out for you. It's possible it will grow on me, but at the moment I was just *bored* by it from what I've seen of it so far. I kind of like how I have an email client, IM client and a wiki and am a bit uncomfortable and nonplussed by them all being put in one place. When there is a native, free software application which isn't as resource hungry as the AJAX *abuse* going on there I might feel a bit more encouraged. We'll see what happens, but to be honest, if it was a choice between a pony and a google wave invite, a pony is probably going to be more exciting. Tim P.s. anyone who thinks they need a google wave invite to be cool should sign up to pokebook.co.uk - you'll be so cool you won't need wave at all. ;) *runs* - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] For our younger travellers
Frank Wales wrote: BA are listing 'BBC Backstage' as a children's 'Music and Stories' selection on their flights this month: http://www.britishairways.com/travel/ifeoutavodlisting/public/en_gb?class=wt It's good that when we get bored of BBC backstage, we can go back to listening to Hannah Montana: the Movie soundtrack. In fact, I wonder if this is a secret BBC project to push HML (http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/ ) onto young travellers' desktops... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Full UK postcode location file turns up on Wikileaks: is that useful?
Brian Butterworth wrote: I can't not mention this... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/sep/16/wikileaks-postcode-file-free-data ...the cat's out of the bag... Various people are speculating though that it isn't actually very useful even if it was properly licenced. It's not really my field though. What do people think? Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?
Rupert Watson wrote: At a guess it is the parties that paid large sums of money to acquire or create the content. Boingboing seemed to think it was a DRM consortium that had prompted the move. Sent from my dog Loving it, wish my dog could answer email for me! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Warning: Super geeky - Petabytes on a budget
Ian Forrester wrote: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build- cheap-cloud-storage/ Found via Frank Wales, Haha. So Frank reads /. too! :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Thoughtful post on AH
Nico Morrison wrote: I LIKE the idea of people writing the Linux kernel code outside of company hours. Does anyone do this? From What I can see here: www.cs.tut.fi/~tta/demography.pdf (Specifically sections 5 and 6) a few must, but a considerable number appear to be *large* companies. I am appalled that a coder can approve his or her own patch. Interesting stuff. Er well in kernel development they can't. They can run it on their own system etc and pass it around, but to get it into the mainline kernel there are processes and QA proceedures the kernel project has put in place. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Reminder - DFEY-NW tomorrow :: Young Rewired State Announcements
Details for the next DFEY-NW are enclosed... Please forward this to anybody or any lists you think might be interested. === DFEY-NW (Digital Freedom in Education Youth - North West) is a group aiming to provide a social space for young people interested in technology, issues of freedom and technology in relation to education. www.dfey.org When Saturday August 15th 2009 12:00pm - ~3:30pm Meet Because the venue is not amazingly easy to find, we'll meet at Piccadilly station and we'll walk over there (it's about 5minutes on foot). Meet on the seats between platforms 1 and 2 in the main concourse. Look for people with laptops and perhaps some funky DFEY signs. :P Where Substance.coop offices, Northern Quarter (the guys who helped us get to the 2morro festival) Attending? if you are thinking of attending please add your name to the wiki page http://dfey.org/wiki/Manchester,_August_2009#Time or feel free to email us on t...@nw.dfey.org to let us know you are coming... Young Rewired State Many people from DFEY will be attending Young Rewired State - an event about building stuff using government data. It's being held at Google HQ in London on the 22nd and 23rd August 2009 and there will some assistance with travel and accommodation for those wishing to attend! Please add your name to the DFEY wiki page: http://dfey.org/wiki/London,_August_2009 and/or email t...@dfey.org To find out more about the event visit: http://rewiredstate.org/young From the website: How about we give you Google's offices in the heart of London, technology and a tonne of the country's best programmers and hackers to help and teach you along the way? We'll also give you food and drink to keep you going. If so, and you're aged between 15 and 18, we'd love you to come to our free weekend to see what you can come up with. We think we're all in for a big surprise. --- In case you need it, here's some contact information: Tim's mobile: 07922334403 Email: t...@nw.dfey.org = DFEY-NW Community: Web: http://www.dfey.org Mailing list: http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/dfey-nw-discuss IRC: #dfey on irc.freenode.net Identi.ca Twitter: #dfey #dfeynw Forum: http://www.nw.dfey.org/wiki/Forum Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=24304402298 -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TEDxManchester Tickets
Ian Forrester wrote: Should we setup a identi.ca account too? yes. and a group https://identi.ca/main/register http://identi.ca/group/new :) (Got my TEDxManchester ticket!) Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] DFEY-NW Meeting - August 15th
Details for the next DFEY-NW are enclosed... Please forward this to anybody or any lists you think might be interested. === DFEY-NW (Digital Freedom in Education Youth - North West) is a group aiming to provide a social space for young people interested in technology, issues of freedom and technology in relation to education. www.dfey.org When Saturday August 15th 2009 12:00pm - ~3:30pm Meet Because the venue is not amazingly easy to find, we'll meet at Piccadilly station and we'll walk over there (it's about 5minutes on foot). Meet on the seats between platforms 1 and 2 in the main concourse. Look for people with laptops and perhaps some funky DFEY signs. :P Where Substance.coop offices, Northern Quarter (the guys who helped us get to the 2morro festival) Attending? if you are thinking of attending please add your name to the wiki page http://dfey.org/wiki/Manchester,_August_2009#Time or feel free to email us on t...@nw.dfey.org to let us know you are coming... Young Rewired State Many people from DFEY will be attending Young Rewired State - an event about building stuff using government data. It's being held at Google HQ in London on the 22nd and 23rd August 2009 and there will some assistance with travel and accommodation for those wishing to attend! Please add your name to the DFEY wiki page: http://dfey.org/wiki/London,_August_2009 and/or email t...@dfey.org To find out more about the event visit: http://rewiredstate.org/young From the website: How about we give you Google's offices in the heart of London, technology and a tonne of the country's best programmers and hackers to help and teach you along the way? We'll also give you food and drink to keep you going. If so, and you're aged between 15 and 18, we'd love you to come to our free weekend to see what you can come up with. We think we're all in for a big surprise. --- In case you need it, here's some contact information: Tim's mobile: 07922334403 Email: t...@nw.dfey.org = DFEY-NW Community: Web: http://www.dfey.org Mailing list: http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/dfey-nw-discuss IRC: #dfey on irc.freenode.net Identi.ca Twitter: #dfey #dfeynw Forum: http://www.nw.dfey.org/wiki/Forum Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=24304402298 -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] very simple re-imaging of a ubuntu build from a USB stick for schools
Phil Lewis wrote: Hi, Does anyone here know of any open source software solution that will allow me to image an Ubuntu laptop on to a USB stick so that it can be used by a technophobic teacher to rebuild a laptop when one goes bad? The reimaging has got to be REALLY SIMPLE - e.g.: 1) Plug in usb stick 2) Power up netbook 3) Click or type 'yes' to confirm 4) Wait for a while 5) Plug out usb stick 6) Repower netbook Is the hardware identical? Similar is good, identical is better. It makes loads of difference here :) Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] very simple re-imaging of a ubuntu build from a USB stick for schools
Umm yeah I can probably sort of help. One of the projects I'm working on is a customised version of Ubuntu 8.04 (LTS is a good idea!) that in theory you can use to easily install Ubuntu server with an asterisk voip server and a web UI for configuring it. There's some quite good wiki page on this subject: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization (that's the page for desktop installations - what I'm doing wiki ubuntu server is a bit different) Essentially there are two steps: * create a customised ISO * put the customised ISO on a usb stick and make it work. As we've been finding the second step quite difficult, we've been concentrating on the first step and testing the first bit on CDs - there's no need to complicate things further at this stage. Customising the install process is in theory fairly easy, unfortunately, I had quite a few issues getting the Ubuntu-keyring package to function correctly so at the moment I'm using a non-ideal solution whereby the preseed late_command runs a script to install some packages. It's still a very bad way of doing things and I'll have to go back and see what it is that wasn't quite going right to start off with. What you need is to preseed most of the Ubuntu installer (Alan linked to some good documentation here), modify the image or do something to install those extra packages and modifications, work out how to get the customised image to boot from usb correctly. Just to emphasise, I'm NOT an expert in this area, it just so happens I've been banging my head about this sort of thing for the past few weeks, so I know a little. :) Would love to hear how you get on! Tim Phil Lewis wrote: Hi, Does anyone here know of any open source software solution that will allow me to image an Ubuntu laptop on to a USB stick so that it can be used by a technophobic teacher to rebuild a laptop when one goes bad? The reimaging has got to be REALLY SIMPLE - e.g.: 1) Plug in usb stick 2) Power up netbook 3) Click or type 'yes' to confirm 4) Wait for a while 5) Plug out usb stick 6) Repower netbook Some background: a primary school has asked me to design and rollout a 30-60 netbook solution for their classrooms. I am planning on an Ubuntu 9.04 build with specific educational extras. It will be somewhat customised such that the kids/teachers will find it easy to use and start apps etc (more concerned about teachers here of course). Since I'm trying to get a basic third-party commercial support contract for the setup, I want the support people to be able to tell the teachers to just insert a USB stick to reimage a laptop if required. I could go with a scripted PXE-boot based install system but given that all these netbooks will we wireless I think this would make it harder for staff if they have to find an ethernet cable before re-imaging if/when required. Also with all the (documented) tweaks to the desktop etc, PXE would be quite a tedious scripting task and probably not the best solution given that the build will be almost static. Any ideas/solutions welcome... -- Phil Lewis - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Video recording at Wikimania for the BBC's Digital Revolution series
Looks like a nice gesture here. :) Original Message Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Video recording at Wikimania for the BBC's Digital Revolution series Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:53:52 +0100 From: Tom Holden thomas.hol...@gmail.com Reply-To: wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org, wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi, The BBC have been in contact with us at Wikimedia UK about the possibility of them getting access to some Wikimania footage. I quote: We are expecting to film with Jimmy Wales later in the year, but we were really hoping to film at Wikimania. Unfortunately, due to schedules, we simply can't get a crew to the event. And so, it occurred to us that, rather than lose this quintessentially Wikipedian moment, we could - in the spirit of our shared open and collaborative goals - ask some of the attending Wikipedians to shoot some footage for us, for release on an open platform (Kultura) to allow all parties to use the footage under creative commons. They ask interested parties to get in contact either via their web form here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/digitalrevolution/contactus.shtml or via me/other WMUK board members. (E-mail me and I'll forward it on to them, or alternatively, if you're in the UK email me and I can give you the organiser's phone number.) Thanks, Tom ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
Brian Butterworth wrote: The first version of Unix I used was on a PDP11! When I started doing system admin for Unix I learnt both System V and BSD. I used XWindows on Sparcstations! So, I have a rather blaze attitude to new versions of something I have known for a more than a few decades. Sorry... Gah. I always feel young round here. I can hardly ever join in discussions on vintage computing :( more and more - you don't think there is *any* relative improvement? I'm NOT in anyway talking about improvement. What I am saying is that for the masses to move to Linux, they need NO barriers at all. This is not about creating a better UI, it is about having a UI that you don't need to learn because it leverages the user's Windows skills. Only once you have got your users can you think of improving them. I'll assume that's just hyperbole. No, I trying to point out that Linux desktop acceptance needs present not a single hurdle to acceptance. I've seen it myself many times. You plonk the MD of the company, who used computers years ago, down in front of a non-windows machine. He click a few things, can't make it work straight away and decided it's rubbish, stick with Windows. If you in sales or marketing, then you're going to stick a Machead down and get them to use the Linux box. Again, it doesn't appear enough like a Mac, so they go to their backup Windows skills and still nothing. The wide-scale acceptance of a Linux operation system will depend on the people who make the decisions about purchase. This is, surely, self-evident. As a parallel, remember the iPlayer wasn't going to have a Mac version. And then Flash saved the day. How would all those Mac people in the media have reacted to a Mac-less iPlayer. The same way they did to 4OD. it doesn't work. I agree with your points, but dispute that it's not nearly there. I dislike this article for several reasons but http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/linux_ubuntu_blog.html if the catalyst has to be the publicity from claiming the UK has 400 linux users, so be it! ;) Now there are certainly issues encountered there, but he still makes some good points. How about a BBC Micro 2012 Edition...? FMT need another impossible tech project. Be more exciting than Bang Goes The Theory. If exciting means more likely to cause flame wars on backstage than iplayer then yes. :P The world does not need new gnu/linux distros IMHO. Tim :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
Please forgive me but I'm very confused about some of the points you're trying to me and just want to clarify exactly what you mean. Brian Butterworth wrote: snip So, the biggest problem for most users with non-Windows systems is that it's not Windows. Yup, I got all that and completely agree. Interestingly this isn't a problem if you teach the users from day one. Windows, being Borg software has accumulated bits from every other OS and software package along the way. For example, to close a Windows window, you can: - press the X button in the top right - press the invisible button at the top left and choose close - press Alt F4 - right click on the taskband icon and choose close window I can do all these, exactly how you have described, in ubuntu To maximize: - click the second-in button at the top right - double click on the title bar - right click the invible top left icon and choose maximuze - press alt-space-X - press Windows+Up I can do all of these bar the last two, which I'm fairly sure were introduced from Vista onwards. Also, I appear to be able to do alt-F10 Another good example is the use of the menus. In Windows you can use the click-click-click method to select from menus, but you can also do the MacOS click-drag-drag-drag-release method I'm can do the same thing here. as well as F10+arrowkeys+enter and [Alt]+arrowkeys+enter I can do Alt-F1, arrow, arrow, enter. I think the biggest problem for most X-Windows based Linux systems is that they generally have just native support for these kind of actions. Sorry this is what I'm confused about. What do you mean just 'native' support? Perhaps you could explain what you mean here a bit better as I fail to understand how this leads on to your next point, sorry! It is this kind of thing that has made Windows dominant and IMHO the very thing that prevents larger-scale Linux use. Microsoft used to have things like help for WordPerfect users in Word and help for 123 users in Excel. Linux distributions just don't have that KILLER instinct that Microsoft used to have. I'm fairly sure there are various guides for windows users switching. For instance I'm fairly sure the OO.o help has sections like that. Oh, and Windows 7 is so good I would pay for it. I would (and have) paid for Ubuntu Debian GNU/Linux in the past. Glad your happy though! Cheers, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
Alex Mace wrote: Mere users don’t stand a chance with anything Linux based. It’s far too geeky to use still. Well, obviously. You don't see any mere users using Android based phones, Tivos, routers, etc, etc. do you? My 50+ year old parents (decidedly non-geeky) parents don't seem have issues with their Kubuntu machine they use for web, email ksirtet (tetris). My 90+ year old Grandmother (also non-geeky) also doesn't seem to have issues with Debian + Kmail. If these aren't mere users who are? :) Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
Deirdre Harvey wrote: My 50+ year old parents (decidedly non-geeky) parents don't seem have issues with their Kubuntu machine they use for web, email ksirtet (tetris). My 90+ year old Grandmother (also non-geeky) also doesn't seem to have issues with Debian + Kmail. Did they set those machines up all by themselves or did you help them a little bit? Do they call you if they need a bit of help? Yup, I set them up, pointed them in the right direction however I'm not really sure this is *that* relevant. We used to, a long while ago, be an all windows household, and I was giving them the same level of support then. In fact, I was giving them more because about 6 months in, despite it having bulletproof windows security stuff, it was still running considerably more slowly - something they were complaining about. Having a helpful geek in the family can go a long way to easing the fear of using systems that other mere users (yuck) might struggle with. Well sure. This is definitely true. For what it's worth my Uncle is an old school GNU/Linux hacker, my Brother-in-law is an ex-army GNU/Linux sysadmin (who spurred me into all this!) and so I guess it has produced an encouraging environment for users in my close family to move over. For a power user such as my brother (who knows what he's doing but needs help when it all goes wrong) then it was really a matter of evaluating what he uses his computer for and installing the relevant software. Basically I'm accusing you of being their tech support ;) So absolutely, I am tech support when needed. :) Tech support also includes basic training - ie howto use a file manager to organise documents you have created - something I still haven't managed to communicate the concept of yet to my mother. I don't know, I do feel that my work load is considerably reduced now they are on ubuntu, partly because I have some idea of where to start troubleshooting issues without just telling them to reboot. :) Anyway, that's a little bit of my story. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Alun Rowe *Sent:* 04 August 2009 12:36 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out? Ask a genuine user to install some software on it. I know it’s a LOT better than it used to be but my dad still couldn’t do it. You should take a look at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/software-installation-in-linux-is-difficult/ It's a great demonstration of precisely how difficult software installation on linux can be. Do you think this is beyond your dad's grasp? :) Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC programme about Open Source being made ?
David Greaves wrote: I heard (from a colleague in the US) that the BBC were making a programme or series about open source. Anyone here know anything about it or anyone involved? Are you aware of that BBC funded two part documentary the name of which I've forgotten that got released under a creative commons licence after it was aired. I can't for the life of me remember the name though I remember downloading it and watching it :-/ I'll try and google for it a bit later on.. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] backstage Twitter?
Brian Butterworth wrote: 3. Is there a list of backstagers to follow somewhere? http://identi.ca/tdobson Some dents are crossposted to http://twitter.com/tdobson - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [ANN] DFEY-NW :: June 13th @ BBC Manchester
Details for the next DFEY-NW are enclosed... Please forward this to anybody or any lists you think might be interested. === DFEY-NW (Digital Freedom in Education Youth - North West) is a group focusing on young people and issues of freedom in the digital world, currently based in the Northwest of England. When Saturday June 13th 2009 12:30pm - ~2:00pm Where Drupal Camp UK, BBC Manchester, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ Photo: http://tiny.pl/z7bf Map: http://tiny.pl/z7b1 Nearest train station: Manchester Oxford Road (3 mins walking distance) Attending? Due to BBC restrictions, you need to tell us if you wish to attend: http://dfey-nw-5.eventbrite.com/ or email us on t...@nw.dfey.org. Drupal Camp UK This is a special meeting taking place as a side session from Drupal Camp UK, which will be happening in the BBC at the same time. This will allow us to share their hospitality for lunch at about 1pm. DFEY-NW Open Session at Drupalcamp-UK DFEY-NW will be an open discussion for anyone to voice their opinions, and to hear the views of other young people on various issues relating to technology. It would also be interesting to discuss how to get more young people into technology using Drupal. This will take place sometime on Saturday afternoon, and is open to all those attending Drupal Camp UK. http://drupalcamp.org.uk/session/dfey-nw-open-discussion --- In case you need it, here's some contact information: Tim's mobile: 07922334403 Email: t...@nw.dfey.org = DFEY-NW Community: Web: http://nw.dfey.org Mailing list: http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/dfey-nw-discuss IRC: #dfey on irc.freenode.net Identi.ca Twitter: #dfey #dfeynw Forum: http://www.nw.dfey.org/wiki/Forum Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=24304402298 -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Shutting down the developer only list
Dave Crossland wrote: Sounds good to me. It is quiet on this list too, though. Since large amounts of noise tends to directly correlate with dissatisfaction, this is probably a reasonably good thing in general. I dunno, maybe not... Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [Fwd: [ubuntu-uk] bbc listen again anomaly]
Anyone got any ideas here? It might be Ubuntu or Flash on Ubuntu related but any thoughts would be welcome. :) Original Message Subject: [ubuntu-uk] bbc listen again anomaly Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:14:23 +0100 From: alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com Reply-To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com Most of bbc radio listen again is flash based I think, and it works ok for me. However, just lately I find that some programmes do not play and a message appears that I need to 'install real player'. In a machine which has an older install - an asus 900 which is still running the original xandros offering - such programmes play ok. just for the record - in one machine with 9.04 on it, I did actually install RealPlayer from a deb an dalso on 8.04 machine from a binary. Neithe rworked for the problem item. A particular example is the michael bentine show for example http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00bv2gw/episodes/player strangely, shows with this problem do work sometimes. It is as if firefox (3) or th eplugins are not fully working with bbc iplayer any ideas please? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies
Tim Dobson wrote: I'll get some video up soon, Here is some of the video I took, feel free to take a look: http://files.tdobson.net/sailing240509/SANY0004.MP4 (700mb) More will soon be found here: http://files.tdobson.net/sailing240509 Gah... these uploads are hosing my ADSL... :p Cheers everyone, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies
See Comments inline :) Simon Thompson wrote: Tim Dobson wrote: Tim Dobson wrote: I'll get some video up soon, Here is some of the video I took, feel free to take a look: http://files.tdobson.net/sailing240509/SANY0004.MP4 (700mb) Is that from a Xacti? Sanyo Xacti VPC-WH1 Sanyo: http://sanyo.com/xacti/english/products/vpc_wh1/index.html Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001SAMSQA/ref=ox_ya_oh_product Has it had any filters applied or post-processing, e.g. been graded? No. No filters were applied digitally, optically or in post production. They're excellent cameras for the price. Ian (Forrester) has been trying to get me to get a Sanyo for a while. For a waterproof HD video camera, Xacti's are pretty much the only ones in their price range as far as I know. I captured in the lowest possible quality - 30fps, 640x480 - the file I uploaded is exactly what the camera produced. I haven't done any transcoding or post production on that file. The reason for shooting in the lowest quality was because my large memory cards hadn't arrived yet, and also because none of my computers appear to be able to play 720p video or VGA at 60fps at the moment. :( Have you manually white-balanced the camera? No. I captured the everything on the defaults or auto settings. I think there may have been a point where the camera got switched from auto focus to manual focus without me notices, but I think it happened after this specific file was shot. There's a shot where the sky's chrominance changes suddenly as you tack onto port and I'm wondering if there's some sort of automatic thing going awry. That sounds plausible. Depth-of-field is huge, although you're losing some of the background (maybe camera optics). I had the camera zoomed a little constantly for much of the shot - I was trying to avoid the mast getting in the way too much, this may have had a negative effect looking back on it from this perspective as I think it's auto-focus system still took lots of input from the near field objects. Really good effort - you're going to have fun trying to get that perfect shot with sailor, boat, water and surroundings in, but it's worth the effort. Thanks. I *really* appreciate the feedback! :D I'm not sure I'm really after a perfect shot - I guess my idea of the perfect shot probably isn't realistically achievable on ones own. At the end of the day, I'm not quite sure what I'm trying to do at the moment, but having fun getting some cool video sounds like good plan. Will be nice to see a finalised clip from the rushes you're making -what sort of system are you using for editing? Hahah. So as I mentioned in a previous email, editing isn't really my priority at the moment. This is for several reasons: * I'm not really sure what I'm aiming to do with the video. I guess I'm trying to build upon something I did when I was younger with an Olympus Digital Camera and Windows Movie Maker: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7098519757224387962 I'm not sure where that leads me... * At the moment none of my computers will play 720p video. This makes editing it difficult as well! :) I think an upgrade is on the cards soon :) * I'm using Ubuntu, so my video editing options are fairly primitive. Ian (Forrester) swears by Pihlaja - http://pihlaja.wordpress.com/ Otherwise I'll be look through Cinelerra, LiVES, Lumiera, AVIDemux, Kdenlive, Kino as well as PiTiVi and the Open Movie Editor. I'll definitely publicise anything I do with it to the list - I've been pleasantly surprised by the amount of enthusiasm I've received. :) Many thanks, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies
Tim Dobson wrote: * I'm using Ubuntu, so my video editing options are fairly primitive. Ian (Forrester) swears by Pihlaja - http://pihlaja.wordpress.com/ Ian would like me to out he doesn't swear by it - all he said was that it is interesting and that he wishes it was still being developed. Sorry about that! :) Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies
Wow! Dirk and Simon thanks for all that really interesting advice. Dirk, I don't actually have a Standard Laser, My Laser EPS is a bit more like a Blaze - not that many were made so it isn't so well known but thanks for the in depth advice. :) I had thought about mounting on the mast, but so much seems destined to go wrong (breaking the boat is potentially more extensive than losing the camera) that, for me, it's not worth putting it in that situation. My Camera is a consumer grade Sanyo Xacti VPC-WH1 which claims to be waterproof to 3m. I'm fairly certain it could manage submersion to 3m in calm conditions but being unceremoniously smacked into the surface at speed would probably take it out I suspect. It's freshwater I'm sailing on, but the camera has fantastic battery life so it would probably get fried. I'm not too worried about class and racing rules for several reasons: a) I'm really bad at racing and am usually following the fleet or come near the bottom on handicap. b) my sailing club is full of people who like sailing but who aren't obsessed with it from a competitive sense. c) my boat is from a fairly extinct class and the class rules are far from clear :P At the moment I'm shooting in 30fps, 640x480 because: a) my 32GB memory card hasn't arrived yet b) embarrassingly, none of my machines have good enough graphics cards (etc!) to play HD video... yet (I sense an upgrade on the horizon!) c) I also need to invest in more storage! If HD is too immersive due to lack of motion steadying kit well that someone else's problem... the video can be later downscaled if needs be... Just to be clear, I'm doing from the point of view of someone who loves sailing and watching video of people sailing but finds it hard to relate to 99% of the videos or bits of video on youtube I see... I intend to release all the footage I capture under Creative Commons Attribution or Creative Commons Attribution Sharealike Licences and am certainly not looking to make any money out of it. (The idea being that I certainly can't be bothered to do that much editing, but hopefully someone else can!) Cheers for all the really encouraging advice, I'll get some video up soon, Tim Simon Thompson wrote: Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: Tim Dobson wrote: So basically I've just acquired a small waterproof HD video camera and I'm looking for the best way to mount it onto my Laser EPS[1] sailing dinghy. It has a standard tripod mount so I was wondering about tying it on with desk tripod near the mast foot or something but I wondered if anyone had any prior experience or thoughts on how they'd do this. There are a few issues with mounting cameras on boats. 1. Mounting the camera unit high up has it's difficulties 1. by adding weight to the top-hamper (camera, mount and cabling) you decrease the stability of the boat 2. the fixing point can weaken the spar section 3. the higher up, the greater the arc of movement 2. If you're talking a dinghy, then you don't want the camera or mount to impede your exit from the boat in event of a capsize 3. The dinghy will probably have class rules - by adapting it, you may not be allowed to enter any events with it. 1. Contact the Principal Race Officer and the Scrutineer/Measurer 4. Make sure the camera is waterproof first. 5. HD video played an a large-ish screen is more immersive than SD on a box in the corner - you may feel motion sickness http://www.hqda.army.mil/ari/pdf/RR%201832.pdf Best I've seen is the Horizon True system http://www.youtube.com/v/s67s7ZHbsi0 http://www.horizontrue.com/sections/order.php but they're expensive for non-broadcast purposes. A colleague has also experimented with OpenGL motion-stabilising - perhaps an area for backstage to look at? If you're really interested, there's an Olympics test event at Portland in September called Sail for Gold http://www.sailracer.co.uk/events/event-v2.asp?eventid=18401 where I'm sure there'll be mounting systems in action. -- *Simon Thompson MEng MIET* Research and Development Engineer *BBC Research and Development* mailto:simon.thomp...@rd.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies
Hey there, This isn't a common question I'd guess but here's a good a place to ask as any! :) So basically I've just acquired a small waterproof HD video camera and I'm looking for the best way to mount it onto my Laser EPS[1] sailing dinghy. It has a standard tripod mount so I was wondering about tying it on with desk tripod near the mast foot or something but I wondered if anyone had any prior experience or thoughts on how they'd do this. I'm not looking for a beautiful (or expensive!) solution just something I can put together to get some video from onboard an my boat. HD (I was thinking capturing what is happening in the cockpit is just as interesting as whats happening ahead of you for the most part... I'm not really a camera geek or a lifelong sailor (yet!) but I wonder if there's someone out there who knows a bit more in this field than me... Cheers, Tim Dobson [1] http://www.blog.tdobson.net/node/247 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies
Sean DALY wrote: Google is my friend :-) http://www.stickypod.com/ Perhaps a bit overkill for what I want it for, but this is definitely *the* way to go if I want to do it properly! Wow, I'm sooo tempted... :-/ Don't know whether I should jump in or at what level I should jump in at.. haha Thanks anyway Sean! :D Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] DFEY - Logo Competition - Cash Prizes
DFEY is having a Logo Competition. Top Prize: £40 First Runner Up: £10 Brief for Entries = * Should be easily recognisable, visually pleasing and easily reproduced in different mediums. * Should echo themes of Digital Freedom, Technology, Young People and Education. * All entries must be licenced under Creative Commons Zero Licence http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0 * Should be submitted in SVG format, though high resolution bitmap might be acceptable. * Ideally, should be created solely using free software but entries created using non-free software will be accepted. * Ideally, shouldn't use that many different primary colours. * Have been emailed entry to l...@dfey.org with the SVG or other image file attached by 23:59, 31st May 2009 Eligibility of Entrants === * Anyone can enter, regardless of age, geographic location etc. * There is no limit to the number of entries per entrant How to Enter 1. Take a moment to read http://nw.dfey.org/wiki/Logo_Competition 2. Send an email to l...@dfey.org with the SVG or other image file attached by 23:59, 31st May 2009. 3. Include a statement that you have read and understand you are are licencing this piece of work to us under the Creative Commons Zero Licence v1 (http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0) 4. Please include your name and (if desired) a link to your blog/website etc. 5. Your entry will be processed and uploaded on to the Entries page. http://nw.dfey.org/wiki/Logo_Competition/Entries --- Winners will be decided upon through a Schulze Method voting system. More information at http://nw.dfey.org/wiki/Logo_Competition --- About DFEY == DFEY (Digital Freedom in Education and Youth) is a group formed in response from a growing need to encourage and promote young people's involvement with the free software and technical communities by creating a social space to make it more comfortable for young people to get involved with LUGs and other technical groups. Find out more and get involved at www.dfey.org -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice]
impressive stuff. :) Original Message Subject: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glyn Wintle glynwin...@yahoo.com Reply-To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/1603720276 whole of The Guardian has dropped MS Office Mac and gone OpenOffice. That's 1,000+ corporate seats right there. ___ ORG-discuss mailing list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://lists.openrightsgroup.org/mailman/listinfo/org-discuss -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Shower Radios
I do a lot of dinghy sailing, which sometimes is really exciting and occasionally really boring. I've been thinking a shower radio would be worth having on my boat as I sail... The thing is, I'm not a very good dinghy sailor, so it would need to be 100% waterproof (as opposed to splashproof!) and have some fairly secure way of tying it on. I'll have to have a look at this.. Tim Nico Morrison wrote: Man - a serious mission this! Wonder if BBC RD ever looked into it. Perhaps in the 30s or 40s when the biggest worry would have been electrocution. Personally I want a digital/mp3 one that will float in the bath like a rubber duckie ;) Nico M 2009/4/21 Lee Ball l...@leenukes.co.uk: Hello folks, Sorry to post this here but I know there are lots of people who know a lot about Radio/TV so it was the first place I thought of. The background: I'm looking for a Shower Radio for my girlfriends birthday (its not the ONLY thing I'm getting her). Ideally it would have support for MP3 built in but I can't find any of those. Which is odd, how cool would it be to upload songs to it. Anyway, I digress. The one I've just found is this the Sony ICFS79V (Amazon link http://snipurl.com/ge5xk) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [ANN] DFEY-NW :: 25th April @ BBC Manchester
Details for the next DFEY-NW are enclosed... Please forward this to anybody or any lists you think might be interested. === DFEY-NW (Digital Freedom in Education Youth - North West) is a group focusing on young people and issues of freedom in the digital world, based in the Northwest of England at the moment. When Saturday April 25th 2009 12:30pm - ~4:00pm Where BBC Manchester, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ Photo: http://tiny.pl/z7bf Map: http://tiny.pl/z7b1 Nearest train station: Manchester Oxford Road (3 mins walking distance) Attending? Due to BBC restrictions, you need to tell us: http://dfeynw4.eventbrite.com/ or feel free to email us on t...@nw.dfey.org to let us know you are coming... Ubuntu 9.04 'Jaunty' Release Party The day before the meeting is the Ubuntu release party in Manchester. It looks like it's going to be a load of fun. Maybe see you there? Details: http://is.gd/sKLf In case you need it, here's some contact information: Tim's mobile: 07922334403 Email: t...@nw.dfey.org = DFEY-NW Community: Web: http://nw.dfey.org Mailing list: http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/dfey-nw-discuss IRC: #dfey on irc.freenode.net Identi.ca Twitter: #dfey #dfeynw Forum: http://www.nw.dfey.org/wiki/Forum Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=24304402298 -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
Billy Abbott wrote: I think that niche journalism is one of the first places to suffer. That's a good point. :) I'll have to go back on myself and say we'll just have to see... I guess it somewhat depends what you call a blog. Basically a blog can be pretty much any sequential line of posts by one entity on the internet. -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] iPlayer on Gnash Later In The Year]
Seeing is believing but this sounds very encouraging... I do wonder if more could be done to help them though. Tim Original Message Subject: [ORG-discuss] iPlayer on Gnash Later In The Year Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:53:18 + From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Reply-To: Open Rights Group open discussion list I spoke to one of the Gnash (free software Flash player) developers at the weekend and he mentioned that the next release version of Gnash will support BBC iPlayer. - Rob. ___ ORG-discuss mailing list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://lists.openrightsgroup.org/mailman/listinfo/org-discuss -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [somewhat offtopic] Werewolf night: The second Manchester chapter
The Werewolves are currently up three to the villagers single one win. But its all to play for Be part of the game, beginners to pros its all good fun. A Social Game of Deception, Paranoia, and Mob Rule. A social mind game for 8-25 players, in which a vengeful group of villagers must figure out who among them is secretly a werewolf (before it’s too late…) Each “night” the werewolves eat a villager, and each “day” the surviving villagers attempt to rid the town of werewolves by lynching one of their own. Werewolf is a game that takes place in a small village which is haunted by werewolves. Each player is secretly assigned a role - Werewolf, Villager, or Seer (a special Villager). There is also a Moderator player who controls the flow of the game. The game alternates between night and day phases. At night, the Werewolves secretly choose a Villager to kill. Also, the Seer (if still alive) asks whether another player is a Werewolf or not. During the day, the Villager who was killed is revealed and is out of the game. The remaining Villagers then vote on the player they suspect is a Werewolf. That player reveals his/her role and is out of the game. Werewolves win when there are an equal number of Villagers and Werewolves. Villagers win when they have killed all Werewolves. Werewolf is a social game that requires no equipment to play, and can accommodate almost any large group of players. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(game) - For more information about the game Website: http://www.eblong.com/zarf/werewolf.html Original Message Subject: Werewolf night: The second Manchester chapter Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Forrester cubicgar...@gmail.com Reply-To: nwdc-announceme...@googlegroups.com To: NWDC Announcements nwdc-announceme...@googlegroups.com http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1844563/ Monday March 2, 2009 from 6:30pm - 10:00pm BBC Manchester Broadcasting House Oxford Road Manchester, England M60 1JS Please if you can make this date, add something even a comment to the upcoming page. The game is open to novices as well as advanced users. We need at least 8 to play a game, last time we had 10 but still had a good time. Hope to see you all there and don't forget to tell your friends and pass it around widely --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NWDC Announcements group. To post to this group, send email to nwdc-announceme...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nwdc-announcements+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nwdc-announcements?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] DFEY-NW :: January 18th :: BBC, Oxford Road, Manchester :: Digital Freedom in Education and Youth - North West
(Please forward this to anybody or any lists you think might be interested) DFEY-NW (Digital Freedom in Education Youth - North West) is a group focusing on young people and issues of freedom in the digital world, based in the Northwest of England at the moment. === In Brief === WHERE: Meet near the strange phonemast-like sculpture thing outside Manchester OXFORD ROAD Station. VENUE: BBC Headquarters, Oxford Road, Manchester WHEN: Sunday 18th January, 12pm - ~4pm YOU *MUST* SIGN UP: http://dfey-nw.eventwax.com/dfey-january-meeting CONTACT: Email - team at dfey dot freedomdreams dot net -- MAILING LIST: http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/dfey-nw-discuss WEBSITE: http://dfey.freedomdreams.co.uk -- Notes from the last meeting: http://dfey.freedomdreams.co.uk/wiki/Meetings/October/Notes === Meeting === Again, we have switched venues! This time however, hopefully we have a permanent place with good facilities. As I understand, via the BBC we will have not shortage of quiet space, power, wifi and a projector! Due to because it's not fun to have to walk around a strange city on your own, even if it is just a few steps, I suggest we meet at Manchester Oxford Road train station at about 12pm (look for geeks, laptops, t-shirts, signs saying DFEY, stickers etc.) Once everyone has arrived, we will then move on to BBC building just down the road. We aim to have finished by about 4pm and to have left the building by 4:30. === Sign Up === The BBC has insisted I give the a list of all participants by early Friday Morning, please do your best either sign up below, or email us so we can let them know. http://dfey-nw.eventwax.com/dfey-january-meeting If you think a contact number might be helpful on the day, email us and we will sort one out :) === Contact === Please join our *low traffic* mailing list for updates: http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/dfey-nw-discuss or use the forum interface: http://dfey.freedomdreams.co.uk/wiki/Forum We also are on IRC for questions and socialising at: #dfey on irc.freenode.net There is also a web interface if you haven't mastered IRC yet: http://dfey.freedomdreams.co.uk/wiki/Chat === About DFEY-NW === DFEY-NW (Digital Freedom in Education and Youth) is a group formed in response from a growing need in the Northwest of England for a group to encourage and promote young people's involvement with the free software community by creating a social space to make it more comfortable for young people to get involved with GLUGs and FSUGs. -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer caching
Andy wrote: When is the actual platform neutral iPlayer coming out? I was tempted to say something about this and Adobe's licencing strategy... But when we keep seeing token gestures, I get a bit frustrated. Let's just say, there are ways of making things happen that I suspect aren't being pursued as much as one would hope at the moment. Merry Christmas everyone! Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer caching
Rob Myers wrote: Andy wrote: To say AIR supports Linux is very misleading. AIR undermines GNU/Linux, it doesn't support it. ;-) [also ducks] Fairly valid point though. ;) [commando rolls to floor] -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage Christmas Party(s), Sat 13th December 08
Ian Forrester wrote: Ian Forrester Cheers for the awesome party Ian and his team and sponsors. Many priceless and unique moments... :) Like deciding to put me on the door!11 haha Cheers everyone in the north for making it so awesome! Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage Christmas Party(s), Sat 13th December 08
Frankie Roberto wrote: Has anyone booked a place for the Manchester do who can no longer go? I thought I had a ticket but then realised I'd only added myself to the event on Upcoming, and not got a ticket through Eventwax - doh! I have heard that if there is space people without tickets will be able to get in. My advice would be to go along and see what happens. Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
Richard Lockwood wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: Just to clarify: I do not support the BNP, do not agree with their foundational concepts, but think they have a right to exist and a right to privacy - as MS says, privacy matters. More than your oft-vaunted personal concept of freedom? I don't really see what the right to privacy has to do with free software or, indeed, freedom in general. Perhaps you could clarify... Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Flash everywhere
Paul Battley wrote: 2008/11/19 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Adobe notes that 98 percent of computers have Flash installed, and it is becoming crucial to have it to enjoy the Internet. That is of course, unless you own an iPhone. This is what scares me about Flash. Adobe's gaining a monopoly over the internet. Being dependent on one company is a practical drawback as well as an ideological one: there's no Flash for 64-bit Linux, for example, let alone more obscure platforms, and this is a practical barrier to the emergence of new technologies. My thoughts exactly. The 98% of (desktop!) computers have Flash installed is a somewhat self fulfilling prophecy... Personally, I don't have flash installed on any of my computers based on the reasoning that pretty much every *real* website worth it's content won't use flash (the websites which are unusable without flash are often big corporate minisites - like film websites) I make do with several things[1] for the likes of youtube, iplayer etc where the content can be extracted without the use of flash... I don't want to get locked into dependence on a flash-dependent world wide web - so I'm not. Tim [1] http://www.blog.tdobson.net/node/168 -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [ORG-discuss] DRM Free BBC Content on GNU/Linux (Ubuntu)
Sean DALY wrote: This is very encouraging. Some commenters were (overly?) quick to criticize but I hope the guys won't get discouraged over that... I see it as progress which is moving in the right direction, and very good work(technically and diplomatically) on the behalf of several developers and project leaders. I don't think it is all that can be done (more content through that method would be great!) but those who put in the effort should get a big pat on the back! Vote up: http://www.fsdaily.com/HighEnd/The_BBCs_George_Wright_explains_the_experimental_new_content_distribution_platform :) -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [ORG-discuss] DRM Free BBC Content on GNU/Linux (Ubuntu)
Wow! I noticed this a few days ago by accident but didn't investigate properly... I'm amazed, but very happy to see *some* steps in the right directions :) Tim Original Message Subject: [ORG-discuss] DRM Free BBC Content on GNU/Linux (Ubuntu) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:06:35 + From: Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Open Rights Group open discussion list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2008/10/27 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/10/08/868 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/10/08/868/#comment-1905 As far as I can tell - Free Sofwtare, DRM-free, Dirac, mostly radio for now but some video, some geo-ip-locking. - - Rob. -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc
Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/10/15 Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, the fact that this will run on all the Linux PCs in both my houseand office is a shockingly pro-Microsoft move and must be stopped! The fact that this will run only with proprietary software is continuing the BBC's discriminatory policy against software freedom, and it must be stopped. I wonder how one can best persuade the relevant people at the BBC to lay out, adopt and embrace a forward thinking strategy to allow end users to access any and all of their services using only free software... Ideas welcome Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Questions for upcoming interviews
Ian Forrester wrote: If you guy's were asking the questions, what questions would you ask them. What does freedom mean for the users and developers of web services? What is at risk? What should the free and open source software community do to ensure that software, and its users, stay free in this new technological environment? - http://autonomo.us/about/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman has some great quotes. --- Good questions. Indeed, in fact, so good I can't think of any questions that might have the same effect. (Does that say more about me or the questions? ;) ) What bugs me about the Stallman interview (and oracle's comments) is cloud computing is already here and many users are already using it. Call me pedantic, but proprietary was already being used by many users when Richard Stallman set up the Free Software Foundation in 1985. Suggesting that because things exist, it is futile to resist isn't a line of thought that works with me or most of the free software community... :P Call it gibberish and marketing hype isn't going to help solve the real problem of cloud-based lock-in. Well to be fair there is a lot of hype around it at the moment (practically anything web 2.0 means in practise that it uses cloud computing) Richard has actually put forward ways to help solve the 'real' problem in the form of the GNU Affero GPL[1]. They should be talking up user/freedom/rights friendly services practices. While slamming down the ones which don't. Putting a mid rule through cloud computing is like putting a mid rule through mobile. To be honest, I think the FSF is doing everything in it's scope. I would suggest that what you think (ie. freedom of data/information) is more in the scope of the Open Right Group - Perhaps they should be doing more :) Tim [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
