Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-21 Thread Timothy J Massey
For most people, a VM is going to make for a much less reliable solution. They will be way too tempted to put the VM on the same storage as their production hardware. For someone who understands the dangers, and has a disaster recovery replication set up for their VM's already, backup PC

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-21 Thread Mike
On 12-07-21 02:42 PM, Timothy J Massey wrote: For most people, a VM is going to make for a much less reliable solution. They will be way too tempted to put the VM on the same storage as their production hardware. For someone who understands the dangers, and has a disaster recovery

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-20 Thread Bryan Keadle (.net)
Sorry for the late reply. anything/everything in a VM is an attraction. :-) I had hoped for a pre-configured VM appliance so I could easily evaluate it. I did not have such an easy implementation experience (as evidenced by apparent exhaustion of this listserv during the process). Being able

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-20 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Bryan Keadle (.net) bkea...@keadle.net wrote: Sorry for the late reply. anything/everything in a VM is an attraction. :-) Sure, where you don't mind the loss in performance. I had hoped for a pre-configured VM appliance so I could easily evaluate it. But if

[BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Bryan Keadle (.net)
Can BackupPC's data pool (/var/lib/BackupPC) be a CIFS mount, or must it be a block device? I'm thinking it requires a block device due to the hardlinks/inodes BackupPC depends on, and I'm not sure that a cifs-mounted folder gives you that ability.

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Bryan Keadle (.net) bkea...@keadle.net wrote: Can BackupPC's data pool (/var/lib/BackupPC) be a CIFS mount, or must it be a block device? I'm thinking it requires a block device due to the hardlinks/inodes BackupPC depends on, and I'm not sure that a

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Bryan Keadle (.net)
Thanks for your reply. Yeah, we're using a NAS device, but not necessary those small ones - using this Drobo B800fshttp://www.drobo.com/products/business/b800fs/index.php. So NFS would be a protocol-based option for the data pool? Still, iSCSI would be best if not DAS? On Fri, Jul 13, 2012

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Bryan Keadle (.net)
I think I had a buddy try AoE and found it problematic - not yet ready for prime time? On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Mike ispbuil...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-07-13 01:38 PM, Bryan Keadle (.net) wrote: Thanks for your reply. Yeah, we're using a NAS device, but not necessary those small

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Bryan Keadle (.net) bkea...@keadle.net wrote: Thanks for your reply. Yeah, we're using a NAS device, but not necessary those small ones - using this Drobo B800fs. So NFS would be a protocol-based option for the data pool? Still, iSCSI would be best if not

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Mike
On 12-07-13 01:38 PM, Bryan Keadle (.net) wrote: Thanks for your reply. Yeah, we're using a NAS device, but not necessary those small ones - using this Drobo B800fs http://www.drobo.com/products/business/b800fs/index.php. So NFS would be a protocol-based option for the data pool? Still,

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Mike
On 12-07-13 01:50 PM, Bryan Keadle (.net) wrote: I think I had a buddy try AoE and found it problematic - not yet ready for prime time? I've used it for a variety of things from software RAID to network booting - no problems here? -- Looking for (employment|contract) work in the Internet

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Timothy J Massey
The latency that remote storage adds, particularly at a higher level like NFS or SMB, can really hurt BackupPC's performance. Besides, it is going to hammer the daylights out of that remote storage, leaving very little performance for anybody else. And while a Drobo is one of the very nicest

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Timothy J Massey
What problem are you guys trying to solve by separating the backup PC processing from the storage? Given back up PCs extremely high storage requirements, and the demands it places upon that storage, I can't imagine that you're going to try to share that storage with anybody else. Besides, if

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Mike
Yes, NFS or iSCSI will work, but it is really a lot cheaper to just throw some big drives in a linux box. +1 to that. And in all the questions you've asked I don't remember any yet about getting offsite copies of the archive, which is usually the one hard thing with backuppc that you

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Jim McNamara
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Mike ispbuil...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-07-13 01:50 PM, Bryan Keadle (.net) wrote: I think I had a buddy try AoE and found it problematic - not yet ready for prime time? I've used it for a variety of things from software RAID to network booting - no

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 07/13 12:59 , Timothy J Massey wrote: And while a Drobo is one of the very nicest ones, it is still very much a small NAS box. BackupPC really wants to be set up on a standalone PC with directly attached disks. I've used BackupPC on a Drobo device. Performance sucked compared to local

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Bryan Keadle (.net)
Wow - great posts here - thank you; good information. I just recently been introduced to BackupPC and I've been pursuing this as a VM appliance to backup non-critical targets. Thus, as a VM, I would use remote storage (iSCSI) to provide capacity instead of local virtual disk. High-value data is

Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC data pool

2012-07-13 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Bryan Keadle (.net) bkea...@keadle.net wrote: I just recently been introduced to BackupPC and I've been pursuing this as a VM appliance to backup non-critical targets. Thus, as a VM, I would use remote storage (iSCSI) to provide capacity instead of local