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South Sudan is its own country now.
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Note Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Bangladesh, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia,
Yemen, etc. are listed as completely
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I think conventions can hinder moral and ethical development.
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How come this topic is ignored in favor or Against nature?
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On
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People can use consultation aka Athenian Democracy without the Baha'i Faith or
any particular religion at all or even religion itself.
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How should
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Susan, let's try this. On your next trip to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei,
Kuwait, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, etc. See if you can legally buy and
drink alcohol there. Then, try and search the black market for illegal alcohol
if you need to. While you don't
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I like the Golden Rule as the beginning, the middle, and the end of all ethics
and of all morality.
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I remember talking about these concepts
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Well. There is Mission of Maitreya religion.
http://www.maitreya.org/
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Because Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah has given us God's most recent
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Reflect on the principles highlighted in the Declaration of a Global Ethic.
Briefly describe the extent to which you see each principle being practiced in
society.
The Declaration Toward a Global Ethic[34] from the Parliament of the
World’s Religions[35][36]
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I've studied Antinomianism is various religions. It's a good example of post
conventional religious tendencies. Pashupata Shaivism is one example that comes
to mind.
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I don't really care for officially dis enrolling. It seems like a lot of hard
work.
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I generously bless people. It's what I do. Also, I'm trained in
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I'm referring to beliefs not practices.
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Stephen:
Actually the stories I've read of Baha'i Administration in action
rivals North Korea, Soviet Union,
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Why isn't the Baha'i Faith a liberal religion?
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On Apr 16, 2013, at 13:14, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Opps, needed to correct one of the links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenderism_and_religion
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Why do they call it midnight if its really early morning?
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According to some blogs I've read...
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I wholeheartedly agree with Humanist praise for the Golden Rule. Authoritarian
dogmatic attachment to a conventional code of laws and rules will cause people
to lose sight of the Golden Rule.
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On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:53, Stephen Kent Gray
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The Aeon of Isis represented a maternalistic age where people were children.
The Aeon of Osiris represented a paternalistic age where people were teenagers.
The Aeon of Horus represents individualism where people are adults.
The Aeon of Horus began in 1904.
The Aeon
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I'm a huge fan of Religious Humanism.
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That reminds me that while I'm fiscally responsible, I'm socially tolerant.
I'm currently religious
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Susan, why do Baha'is need to be ignorant of all ethics and all morality that
isn't the Baha'i Faith?
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I remember talking about these concepts earlier.
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Do you have or any else here have expertise in biology, psychology, and
sociology?
Also, what idiot can't spell psychological?
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Hi David,
I wonder
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Yes, probably forty or eighty years from now, the Bahai Faith will have
disappeared from the Western world. The Middle East and Africa may still have
Baha'is though.
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You seem to be study nothing despite committing to the Baha'i Faith.
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You seem to study everything and commit to nothing. This can be a path to
insanity.
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Just because the Kitab I Aqdas hasn't been put in practice, doesn't make it any
less of an authoritarian dogmatic theocratic manifesto! Just look at all the
things the the Aqdas requires to be illegal in a Baha'i state.
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On what basis do they believe there haven't been more recent revelations?
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Because Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah has given us God's most recent
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Don, which one of the eight ways are you? I'm Individualist, anti both ie archy
and kratos. You are pro archy, anti kratos or Paleoconservative.
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To
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Reparative therapy is seen as pseudoscience now.
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I wonder if science have discovered some kind of predisposition (genetic
mutation)? I believe the
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Buddhist states aren't oppressive with religious rules. Theraveda Buddhism and
Vajrayana Buddhism is the state religion in various countries in South Asia,
Southeast Asia, East Asia, and some parts of Russia.
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You forgot to add a link to the list of all the species of animals in which
homosexual behavior has been observed.
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If humans are supposed to be
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You could add Biblical Israel as a Jewish example.
Despite the fact that Thailand is an extremely devout Thereveda Buddhist
country, it is known internationally for the sex industry worldwide. The whole
of Southeast Asia is in the same boat in this regard, but
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Gary, maybe you have schizophrenia or disorganized thinking if you can't
recognize your own cognitive dissonance?
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Hmmm...Logic is also not on our list
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This included all the best Wikipedia articles on religious views on this issue.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_religion
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Sen, so actually none of the Baha'i laws may ever be enforced?
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not enforcing can be the best thing:
In the Taurat there are ten commandments
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Sounds like an extremely real possibility. It may even go extinct within the
next seventy years.
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Baha'u'llah dicusses a good example of desuetude in
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I personally am a virgin an have considered being a lifelong celibate,
especially useful if I wanted to become a priest or monk. I don't have clear
life ambitions. I consider relationships, sexual or celibate, to be too
fettering.
I'm pansexual, omnisexual,
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Authoritarianism is more of a mindset than actual practices. Those practices
are symptoms of authoritarianism rather than authoritarianism itself. If a
shadow government or government in exile, it authoritarian if it has such a
mindset, even if it can't do any of the
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Because it's shakubuku for me to sever your attachments to incorrect views in
favor of correct views.
http://www.nst.org/
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...And yet you so often
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Susan, just read Don's paragraph.
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To quote Don C,
According to Baha'u'llah, this is not merely a new Dispensation, but a new
age, the Age of
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Consultation needs experts, not necessarily from Wikipedia.
Also, when I refer to consultation, I mean all consultation, not just the
Baha'i version.
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I'm one such still enrolled ex Baha'i. I think the Baha'i Faith will ultimately
fail to inability to retain believers. The math adds up to it eventually
becoming extinct.
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That reminds me political compass rated all candidates including third party
ones on their Political Compass chart. Mitt Romney and Barack Obama had
identical spot on the grid. Virgil Goode was more Authoritarian and Right than
both. Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson
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Does the method of consultation intrinsically involve scripture? Or just Baha'i
consultation?
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Things
like adoption and marriage are private contracts
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I have been diagnosed with Aspergers actually recently.
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Hmmm...Logic is also not on our list of world religions. Have you ever been
diagnosed with
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People can use consultation aka Athenian Democracy without the Baha'i Faith
or any particular religion at all or even religion itself.
And people can consult without any religion either. What's your point?
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Susan, let's try this. On your next trip to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei,
Kuwait, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, etc. See if you can legally buy
and drink alcohol there. Then, try and search the black market for illegal
alcohol if you need to. While you don't
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I'm referring to beliefs not practices.
Really? And what beliefs do we share with the Fascists?
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Abby Martin's show is Breaking The Set for those who wanted to know.
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I really should study the implications of this. New religious movements,
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How will the punishments in the Aqdas get carried out if you that's true? If no
one is in charge how will people get executed, exiled, imprisioned, fined, etc?
The Aqdas looks like it presupposes a kind of authoritarianism you reject.
Baha'i laws will be enforced
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I don't commit to nothing, yet I study everything. Since I'm not omniscient I
have to study everything. Isn't that what everyone is required to do?
Everyone is required to investigate the claims of all claimants. Baha'u'llah
himself referred to this as the greater
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Baha'is say that people are supposed to use independent investigation of truth
to verify or falsify the claims of each and every religious claimant, but
hypocritically have the list of eight religions they acknowledge.
They say that we only need to know of religions
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Susan, the point is that Islamists all over the world want to turn the world
into one big Islamist Islamic Superstate of a Caliphate. Have you studied
Islamism?
Of course, I've studied it. But it is a radical political movement
inside of Islam. It is not Islam
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Susan, why do Baha'is need to be ignorant of all ethics and all morality that
isn't the Baha'i Faith?
Did I say we did? What I said is that we are not compelled to fit into
their categories.
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Susan, just read Don's paragraph.
What about it?
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If I had written that book, I would have included more info, included other
sects than the Haifan Heterodox Baha'i World Faith.
All right, that's it. You are not welcome here. Either remove yourself
from this list or I will call Mark and have him remove you.
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Please everyone. Hitherto ignore Stephen's posts. Maybe he will take
the hint and leave on his own accord. But don't give him oxygen.
Covenant breaking talk is not welcome here.
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If I had written
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For several months I have had my mail filter set so that anything from Stephen
goes straight to my trash folder.
Tim
All good art is about something deeper than it admits.
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Yes, I think at this point everyone else needs to do the same.
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For several months I have had my mail filter set so that anything from
Stephen goes straight to my trash
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if you think liberal means No drugs, no booze, no hanky-panky then I guess
we're quite liberal.
Don C
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Why isn't the Baha'i Faith a liberal religion?
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Understood properly, all man's problems are
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i consider myself an independent centrist. I don't fit neatly into any
category. I am generally moderate, but have no compunction about adapting
workable ideas from a variety of perspectives. What is most important, as
Baha'u'llah has indicated, are the
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There are militant fundamentalist Buddhists that have attacked members of
other religions.
Don C
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Buddhist states aren't oppressive with religious rules.
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Understood properly, all man's problems
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I'm referring to beliefs not practices
No, you are not referring to beliefs instead of practices. Your own words
contradict you:
Actually the stories I've read of Baha'i Administration **in action**
**rivals** North Korea, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and other
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A Baha'i involved in consultation will use Scripture as an ethical standard.
BTW, in the mid 80's, I took a college credit mid management course that
included a section on small group decision making. It was a very good
non-Baha'i description of consultation as
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They will be a minor part of their responsibilities. This is going to prob be
1500 years from now. Think the difference in civilization btwn Augustine and
now.
Don C
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How will the punishments in the Aqdas
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As the books Buddhist Warfare and Zen at War show, warfare and Buddhism are
not as distant from each other as people tend to think.
Best,
Ian
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On Apr 20, 2013, at 2:11 28PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote:
Baha'is say that people are supposed to use independent investigation of
truth to verify or falsify the claims of each and every religious claimant,
I have never seen a statement like that in Baha'i
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