Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-05-09 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Wikipedia on Antinomianism outside Christianity. You seem to be only familiar with the Christian forms which are radical salvation by faith alone, but the other forms of Antinomianism are not this. Buddhism See also: Crazy wisdom Among Buddhists there are three main

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-23 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv It really long, but really good. http://www.kusala.org/udharma/globalethic.html Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:53, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I forgot to include specific religious ethics. Note, Scientology

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think conventions can hinder moral and ethical development. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 14:19, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv How come this topic is ignored in favor or Against nature? Sent from my iPad On

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I like the Golden Rule as the beginning, the middle, and the end of all ethics and of all morality. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:43, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I remember talking about these concepts

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Reflect on the principles highlighted in the Declaration of a Global Ethic. Briefly describe the extent to which you see each principle being practiced in society. The Declaration Toward a Global Ethic[34] from the Parliament of the World’s Religions[35][36]

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I've studied Antinomianism is various religions. It's a good example of post conventional religious tendencies. Pashupata Shaivism is one example that comes to mind. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:39, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I wholeheartedly agree with Humanist praise for the Golden Rule. Authoritarian dogmatic attachment to a conventional code of laws and rules will cause people to lose sight of the Golden Rule. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:53, Stephen Kent Gray

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, why do Baha'is need to be ignorant of all ethics and all morality that isn't the Baha'i Faith? Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:16, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I remember talking about these concepts earlier.

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, just read Don's paragraph. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:27, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv To quote Don C, According to Baha'u'llah, this is not merely a new Dispensation, but a new age, the Age of

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, why do Baha'is need to be ignorant of all ethics and all morality that isn't the Baha'i Faith? Did I say we did? What I said is that we are not compelled to fit into their categories. __ You are subscribed to

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, just read Don's paragraph. What about it? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv If I had written that book, I would have included more info, included other sects than the Haifan Heterodox Baha'i World Faith. All right, that's it. You are not welcome here. Either remove yourself from this list or I will call Mark and have him remove you.

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Please everyone. Hitherto ignore Stephen's posts. Maybe he will take the hint and leave on his own accord. But don't give him oxygen. Covenant breaking talk is not welcome here. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: If I had written

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Tim Nolan
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:08 PM Subject: Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality The Baha'i Studies Listserv Please everyone. Hitherto ignore Stephen's posts. Maybe he will take the hint and leave on his own accord. But don't give him oxygen. Covenant breaking talk

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
folder. Tim All good art is about something deeper than it admits. --Roger Ebert From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:08 PM Subject: Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality The Baha'i Studies

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-19 Thread Matt Haase
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Well, this true believer must have sinned so many times that they be heaped as piles of sand. :-) No matter who it is describing, it seems to me to demonstrate that God's mercy is much, much, more manifest than his wrath. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Don Calkins

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-19 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I certainly hope so. otherwise, eternity is going to last a lo-ong time. 8-) Don C On Apr 19, 2013, at 2:00 38PM, Matt Haase wrote: No matter who it is describing, it seems to me to demonstrate that God's mercy is much, much, more manifest than his wrath.

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I forgot to include specific religious ethics. Note, Scientology and Wicca are good examples of the hypothesis. The Baha'i Faith and Religious Humanism are good examples as well. The Declaration Toward a Global Ethic[34] from the Parliament of the World’s

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv How come this topic is ignored in favor or Against nature? Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:53, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I forgot to include specific religious ethics. Note, Scientology and Wicca are good

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I remember talking about these concepts earlier. Post conventional morality is based on a social contract and universal ethical principles without regards to specific terms on which they need to be based upon. Conventional morality is based on authority and

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's cause we live in a post conventional age unlike the conventional age of Adam as referenced earlier in Against Nature. This age isn't about materialistic and paternalistic people treating people as if they were sheep. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:16,

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv To quote Don C, According to Baha'u'llah, this is not merely a new Dispensation, but a new age, the Age of Maturity. As such, what we are going thru' is the greatest change to the functioning of human affairs since the mythic Time of Adam, when the Culture Hero

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv So basically from all the info we live in the Age of the New Religious Movement! Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:27, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv To quote Don C, According to Baha'u'llah, this is not merely a

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sounds like moral and ethical principles and not laws should be the center of this Age. Sounds like an Age of Antinomianism, no rules other than the Golden Rule. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinomianism Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:31, Stephen Kent

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Antinomianism is an extreme form of salvation by faith alone. As I understand it, Abdu'l-Baha accepted two ideas - Faith without works is dead; Deeds without faith is sterile. Doesn't fit with any discussion of antinomianism I've read. Don C On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:39

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Matt Haase
The Baha'i Studies Listserv But by the same token, the Epistle to the Son of the Wolf states that one's past and *future* sins would be forgiven them if they counted forty waves while saying, God is the Most Great in Akka. There is also the Baha'i teaching of the progression of the soul after

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv IMO, this is a reference to the True Believer who comes to Akka as a pilgrim to see Baha'u'llah. Don C On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:27 10PM, Matt Haase wrote: But by the same token, the Epistle to the Son of the Wolf states that one's past and future sins would be

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sorry, I'm not letting Kohlberg or you define for me or my religion the age in which we live. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's cause we live in a post conventional age unlike the