Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-30 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Apr 2015 at 20:36, Glyn Millington wrote: [...] > A mail alias is a group name for multiple mail recipients. At least > that's how I use 'em! ... whereas I use that entry most often as an alternative name, i.e. alias, for a single recipient. I do also use it for defining groups bu

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-30 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Glyn Millington writes: > Phil Hudson writes: > >> On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 at 10:34:32 am BST, Phil Hudson >> wrote: >> >>> The term "mail alias" itself seems to me to be poorly chosen, > >> Replying to myself... I've thought of one, namely Gnus' use of "group" >> (meaning/derived from "newsgroup"

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-30 Thread Glyn Millington
Phil Hudson writes: > On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 at 10:34:32 am BST, Phil Hudson > wrote: > >> The term "mail alias" itself seems to me to be poorly chosen, > Replying to myself... I've thought of one, namely Gnus' use of "group" > (meaning/derived from "newsgroup") for what most MUAs call "mailbox",

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-30 Thread Phil Hudson
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 at 10:34:32 am BST, Phil Hudson wrote: > The term "mail alias" itself seems to me to be poorly chosen, bespeaking > an inward-looking, comp-sci-technical, "historical reasons" (IOW no > reason) viewpoint rather than an outward-looking, user- and > usability-focused one. Much

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-30 Thread Phil Hudson
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 at 2:51:52 am BST, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > I'm a little flabbergasted by this though. Why is there a need for a > fallback in the first place? I think nil should be interpreted like the > documentation say: do nothing. I agree. We have a breach! A breach of the "Principle of

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-29 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Apr 28 2015, Glyn Millington wrote: > Nikolaus Rath writes: >> On Apr 28 2015, Glyn Millington wrote: >>> Nikolaus Rath writes: >>> Well, yes, if you don't pass 'gnus to the bbdb-mua-auto-update-init function, then it won't parse any Gnus article buffers. However, I

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-29 Thread Phil Hudson
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 at 2:35:06 pm BST, Piet van Oostrum wrote: > In BBDB 3.1.2 there is no bbdb-define-all-aliases. It should be > bbdb-mail-aliases, as mentioned in some earlier messages on this list. So the > wiki should be updated. Done. -- Phil Hudson http://hudson-it.d

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Glyn Millington
Nikolaus Rath writes: > On Apr 28 2015, Glyn Millington wrote: > >> Nikolaus Rath writes: >> >>> >>> Well, yes, if you don't pass 'gnus to the bbdb-mua-auto-update-init >>> function, then it won't parse any Gnus article buffers. >>> >>> However, I *want* bbdb3 to parse the Gnus article buffers

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Apr 28 2015, Glyn Millington wrote: > Nikolaus Rath writes: > >> >> Well, yes, if you don't pass 'gnus to the bbdb-mua-auto-update-init >> function, then it won't parse any Gnus article buffers. >> >> However, I *want* bbdb3 to parse the Gnus article buffers under same >> conditions. I tried i

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Glyn Millington
Nikolaus Rath writes: > > Well, yes, if you don't pass 'gnus to the bbdb-mua-auto-update-init > function, then it won't parse any Gnus article buffers. > > However, I *want* bbdb3 to parse the Gnus article buffers under same > conditions. I tried implemeting this conditions in a custom > bbdb-mua

bbdb-message-all-addresses (was: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records)

2015-04-28 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Apr 27 2015, Glyn Millington wrote: > (setq bbdb-message-all-addresses t) Can you explain what this setting does? The help says , | If t `bbdb-update-records' returns all mail addresses of a message. | Otherwise this function returns only the first mail address of each message. `

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Apr 27 2015, Glyn Millington wrote: I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: (require 'bbdb) (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t bbdb-mua-auto-update-p nil bbdb-u

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Piet van Oostrum
Glyn Millington wrote: > Tab is bound to message-x-tab, which of course comes from the message-x > package, which interacts with bbdb. Wow. I installed that and now it works. Thanks. My year-long (at least) quest finally finished. -- Piet van Oostrum WWW: http://pietvanoostrum.com/ PGP key:

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Glyn Millington
Piet van Oostrum writes: > Glyn Millington wrote: > > > Piet van Oostrum writes: > > > > > In BBDB 3.1.2 there is no bbdb-define-all-aliases. It should be > bbdb-mail-aliases, as mentioned in some earlier messages on this list. So the > wiki should be updated. > > > > > > What bbdb-mail-

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Piet van Oostrum
Glyn Millington wrote: > Piet van Oostrum writes: > > > In BBDB 3.1.2 there is no bbdb-define-all-aliases. It should be > > bbdb-mail-aliases, as mentioned in some earlier messages on this list. So > > the wiki should be updated. > > > > What bbdb-mail-aliases is supposed to do, is to a

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Phil Hudson
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 at 9:48:56 am BST, Glyn Millington wrote: > Yes. There are two. They are independent. > > But message.el can use either. Got it. Thanks. -- Phil Hudson http://hudson-it.ddns.net @UWascalWabbit PGP/GnuPG ID: 0x887DCA63 --

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Phil Hudson
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 at 8:36:34 pm BST, Glyn Millington wrote: > mail-alias - I believe this is defined in bbdb.el You can insert that > field into a record using the instructions offered here: > > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BbdbMailingLists Thanks for that. I've tried it and it works exac

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Phil Hudson writes: > On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 at 2:09:26 am BST, Eric Abrahamsen > wrote: > >> Phil Hudson writes: >> >>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 at 5:59:07 pm BST, Glyn Millington >>> wrote: >>> (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'bbdb-mail-aliases) >>> >>> This led me to the documentation fo

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Phil Hudson
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 at 8:36:34 pm BST, Glyn Millington wrote: > 'mail-alias' refers to aliases set up in a special > file, usually called .mailrc. I'm not clear that this is involved with > the bbdb at all. Now this is really confusing. Are there two different mail-alias systems, one involving

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-28 Thread Phil Hudson
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 at 2:09:26 am BST, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Phil Hudson writes: > >> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 at 5:59:07 pm BST, Glyn Millington >> wrote: >> >>> (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'bbdb-mail-aliases) >> >> This led me to the documentation for bbdb-mail-aliases, which leads me

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-27 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Phil Hudson writes: > On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 at 5:59:07 pm BST, Glyn Millington > wrote: > >> (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'bbdb-mail-aliases) > > This led me to the documentation for bbdb-mail-aliases, which leads me > to ask for an explanation of what a mail alias is. My guess is that it's

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-27 Thread Glyn Millington
Phil Hudson writes: > On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 at 5:59:07 pm BST, Glyn Millington > wrote: > >> (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'bbdb-mail-aliases) > > This led me to the documentation for bbdb-mail-aliases, which leads me > to ask for an explanation of what a mail alias is. My guess is that it's

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-27 Thread Phil Hudson
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 at 5:59:07 pm BST, Glyn Millington wrote: > (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'bbdb-mail-aliases) This led me to the documentation for bbdb-mail-aliases, which leads me to ask for an explanation of what a mail alias is. My guess is that it's either a unique nickname for a m

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-27 Thread Glyn Millington
Nikolaus Rath writes: > On Apr 22 2015, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > >> On Apr 22 2015, Nikolaus Rath wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: >>> >>> (require 'bbdb) >>> (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) >>> (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) >>> (se

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-27 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Apr 22 2015, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > On Apr 22 2015, Nikolaus Rath wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: >> >> (require 'bbdb) >> (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) >> (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) >> (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t >> bbdb-mu

Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-22 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Apr 22 2015, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > Hello, > > I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: > > (require 'bbdb) > (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) > (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) > (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t > bbdb-mua-auto-update-p nil > bbdb-update-records-p

bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records

2015-04-22 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Hello, I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: (require 'bbdb) (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t bbdb-mua-auto-update-p nil bbdb-update-records-p 'query bbdb-ignore-message-alist '(("Fro