Tari,
Would you care to correct this statement, or shall I?
Pat Long
Berwyn PA
-Original Message-
From: Jenn Waldron
Posted for my breeder Tari Hafner 2005 Specialty Chair
Let me start out by stating that there are no plans to hold the 2005
national specialty in Lancaster, PA. This rum
Ignore this one!
One more thought about backing up. The position of the shafts relative
to the dog are also important. The most common offender of this is using
the large competition cart with wooden shafts from Dog Works on a
smaller novice dog. The problem lies in the fact that there is no
adjustablility in the s
Reposted for Jim, the first time through they got garbled!
I have put on many a draft clinic and have seen all kinds of setups
where the participant have thought their dog was properly adjusted in
their harness but were not. I would suggest that you have your outfit
checked out by someone who has
>Is the 2005 Specialty actually scheduled to be held in Lancaster County
or is this hypothetical?
Rose,
In answer to your question, the Specialty Committee has changed the site
of the Specialty from Lancaster. We'll all be looking forward to
learning where it will be held! They have a great deal
Radha,
You ask some very good questions, and I'd have to do a great deal of
research in order to give you specifics. But I'll try to cover most of
them with the general information that I've followed over the years.
Lancaster is unique because it has a group of people that are protected
for sever
Reposted for Rose (sometimes AOL messages get completely garbled, does
anyone know why that would happen?):
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:30:03 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Babies & Berners!!
Hi Karyn & any other pregnant Lers!!
I have 3 BMD's and had my first "hu
Posted in plain text for Sherry:
! have been awake pretty much since Wednesday morning but I had to post
this..
I am so proud of my girl Macy..aka... Santera's Evening Masquerade..
Macy freewhelped 18 beautiful Berner babies yesterday. 9 males and 9
females. She began her labor at about 5:30 am
Tom,
I'm sorry, I didn't realize! The 2005 people just got the information
about the Specialty? Or have they had longer than 2 years? Didn't they
realize a year ago or more that they were doing this? Wasn't that 3
years, or is my math really rusty?
Couldn't we have used a site that we had used be
Sylvia,
I'm afraid that I'm not kidding on this one. I wish I were! Thanks for
getting your feedback in to the club so quickly, I'm sorry to do this to
Suzanne, but the club needs to know BEFORE any decisions become
finalized! (Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED])
And just to clarify, it's not that ou
Silly, that was number 5!
Hug that Halley for me!
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
-Original Message-
From: Janice Parky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You forgot my favorite one.
6. Yes, they shed.
> Berner fun FAQs
> 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog
> 2. From Bern, not Burma
> 3. Gir
Kelli,
My Hannibal used to do the exact same thing at Oscar's age. Until we got
Vesta. He was so happy to have a buddy - I don't think he ever left her
side when we were out. Miss Vesta, however, also had to go through the
random acts of wanton destruction phase. Paul got home early one time to
te
It may just be time for a new Berner-L t-shirt, some of you will
remember the two different years we did that, first time with a puppy at
the computer, and the second with an adult at the computer. But on the
back was:
Berner fun FAQs
1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog
2. From Bern, not Burma
3. Gir
I will be doing them on a very limited basis in Texas, as soon as I know
what day I will be doing them, I will let you know.
I will NOT be available for any photos for any reason for any event held
in Lancaster County.
These photos have raised over $12,000 for the breed over the years,
thanks to
For those of you who have any cause to come spend money in Lancaster
County, just a reminder! A boycott has been underway in Lancaster County
for some time now. The representatives of the county at the state level
have been able to hold up any and almost all legislation that might
curtail the right
Andie,
Well, we have some baseball cards that will help answer some of those
often heard questions and comments! See:
http://bernered.homestead.com/Card.html
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
This has been bugging me since she first mentioned the problem, I would
love to find out the answer!! - Pat
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I need help posting... ever since I got my new computer for Christmas I
have been unable to post to the list.
Pat Long has verified that I
Dear Jordan,
You just keep enjoying Hesse, and give him some big hugs from me too!!
When my Hannibal died he was only 4 years old. It broke my heart, he was
that one in a million dog that so many of us seem to find in Berners.
But I decided that I would rather have 4 special years with a Berner
t
Posted for Pamela:
You have written a VERY good post/answer... "old age" I think you
educated an awful lot op people today and made them think. Good for
you. Thank you for the statistics as well, because it illustrates
exactly the kind of information
Posted in plain text to make sure everyone sees it! (I wasn't sure where
this is, but my guess is New York state?)
---
Here is the info. you are looking for. Feel free to cross post. I am
having to take pain meds. & do not have enough energy to even post.
Please
Posted in plain text for Patt:
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We have a cottage on a lake and it is fenced except for the lake
side. So of course Oscar wants to jump in the lake and go to the
neighbors to visit their dog. Does anyone have any suggestions for a
type of barr
Thanks for starting my Friday off so nicely!! And an enormous thank you
to everyone who goes out of their way to make sure they post to the List
in plain text! I know it's a pain, but it is well worth the effort.
A great big THANK YOU ALL!
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
Reposted in plain text for those of you who didn't see the original:
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Rollin, Rollin, Rollin, to Roundup 2004
The 2004 Specialty will be held March 28th - April 3rd, 2004 at the
Hampton Inn and Suites & Convention Center in Mesquite, Tex
Crossposted by author's request: (And if any of the posts here on the
Berner-L have been especially helpful in managing through those
difficult early training times, do let her know about those too! If you
can't find the specific posts, I may be able to help you find them.)
Pat
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Reposted in plain text for Robin:
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Hello Everyone,
Since those of you with subscriptions to Dog Fancy are beginning to
receive the July edition that features BMDs, I thought it would be
timely to share some information about the BMDCA
Posted in plain text for Vilma:
Does anyone know where I can order a medium sized iron on decal (maybe
4-6 inches diameter) of a Berner for use on clothing? Thanks!
Janice,
I'm glad that the disk helps! For those of you who don't know about it,
it has all of the articles that are on my website, and a few others as
well. It's $20 a diskette, or two for $30. All the money goes to
educational efforts, or the Berner-L Education Fund.
Pat Long, a babysat Maddie a
Margareta,
Here is the quote from Dr. Moore's website on histiocytosis:
"Histiocytic sarcoma and malignant histiocytosis (MH) occur with high
incidence in Bernese Mountain Dogs, Rottweilers, Flat Coated Retrievers,
Golden Retrievers and sporadically in many other breeds. Histiocytic
sarcomas occu
All right, you guys are going to spoil me now! That's two - in one week
without a single HTML post!
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!! You are the BEST! I know it is a pain to do,
but trust me - it is very much appreciated!!
Arrgghhh, a brag!!
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
Jean,
I heard a disturbing rumor that Joye has free time. I was just shocked!
Joye simply never ever has any free time, so it's undoubtedly not true.
However... if she isn't logging lots of fundraiser tickets, maybe, just
maybe - I have a better chance to win one of the paintings. Once again,
I of
For those of you who are in other countries, as always - Joye Neff and I
are happy to help convert foreign cheques to US dollars. Our bank does
not charge extra for deposits of foreign cheques. Contact us as soon as
possible to make arrangements so that you don't have to go through a new
membership
TA DA!!!
An entire digest with NO HTML!!! Thank you all so much, I'm just tickled
pink!!
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=1548503
This big boy is described as a collie/berner mix, but he sure looks like
a Berner from the photo. He's at a shelter in the NJ shore area.
I know that Breed Rescue doesn't work with mixes, they have more than
enough on their hands in our area w
Posted for Pamela:
Happy birthday at you
Happy birthday at you
Happy birthday, dear Allegra,
Happy birthday. Ah choo!
Allegra v Kielerstar celebrates her 8th birthday today... She began the
morning on the bed between us and helped Monty wake us up when the alarm
went off.. There's nothing
Forwarded for Sindi, with great sadness:
CH Degrasso's Harleigh V Legacy
2-18-92 to 3-27-03
Harleigh was my best friend and the beginning of L-Sin kennels. She was
a BMDCA Top Producer with 9 AKC Conformation Champions to her credit.
Her legacy lives on in her children and in her grandchildren.
Sherri,
Excellent question, and absolutely! The BernerBayWatch is indeed an
offering of the Specialty Committee!! We'd like to make a profit of
course, and all the profits under the control of the Pacific Coast
Consortium will be going to two of the Berner Funds (health and
lobbying, if I recall c
-Original Message-
From: Pat Long & Paul Dangel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:11 PM
To: 'Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List'
Subject: HTML free digest - almost!
We just had a digest that got me all excited, I thought it was an HTML
free digest,
Andrea,
Good question, and I don't know the answer! But I do know that Bob
Torstenson spends a good bit of money to do the Berner News Network, and
I know he's gotten a few donations in the past - but not nearly enough
to cover his costs! His efforts are always tremendously appreciated, and
I'd ju
Posted in plain text for Eve:
Kenny,
This is answer to your question about pet therapy work. I do work at two
different hospitals with my dog Casper. He is certified through TDI
(therapy dogs international) and the Delta Society. It is a wonderful
and rewarding service that we do and I can't tell
Pat,
I have always tried to stay in touch with the owners of both the sire
and dam of my dogs. The owners of the dams were always very happy to
hear any news, I didn't know who the owner of the sire of my first
Berner was, the owner of the sire of my second Berner always kept in
touch, and the own
Rita,
So far, Purdue is the only, the latest, and a highly respected study!
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
Mike and Deb,
Actually, we've all always thought that a raised dish helped to reduce
the risk of bloat. But a very extensive study by Dr. Glickman at Purdue
University has found just the reverse - raising the food bowl actually
increases the risk of bloat!
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
Laurie,
Sometimes web sites are sometimes unavailable, but if you keep trying,
it should work - unless you have an old URL!
http://141.211.110.76/Candle/lightonecandle.htm
I'm not able to connect to it right now either, so let me check with one
of the other board members!
The Greater Seat
I enjoyed the line in one of Carol Lea Benjamin's books, something to
the effect that you could never kill a tick too many ways. I got a real
hoot out of that one! I could just see someone squashing it, burning it,
shooting it, chopping it up, then flushing it down the toilet.
Pat Long (& Luther)
Posted in plain text for Helen:
Thought I would share this sight with you...very interesting and if you
haven't seen it, thought you might enjoy it and add it to your files. ~
Helen
http://www.nahra.org/nahra/vision.htm
What do dogs see? A review of Vision in dogs
Helen Hollander, CPDT,CBC
Th
Rhona,
I've been using Frontline TopSpot for years now, it's the best tick
product that I've ever found. Maybe it's only designed for American
ticks? It's not a repellant, but it is supposed to kill the vermin
within 18 hours of their getting onto the dog. I've always found it to
be very effective
Fran,
I'm hoping that Donna Coffin will share her experiences at the Potomac
Valley regional specialty last weekend. She competed in obedience with
her Sherman - who always does it just his own special way. I'm always
excited when I get the opportunity to watch the two of them, I know that
Sherman
Posted in plain text for Jackie, please respond directly to her:
Can anyone give me information on juvenile cataracts? (I'm asking for a
friend who has a 13 mo old Saint) I've checked the internet and also
called my vet but wanted info from owners who have experienced this.
Can it be corrected? W
Molly,
You will definitely find Flooring as a topic in the archives, but better
yet, I have a compilation of a lot of the back posts on the topic! So go
to www.berner.org and click on "berner-l compilations"!
Good luck making the decision!
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
We are such an incredibly lucky group. This breed seems to attract such
wonderful people, and I'd like to take time to thank some of them.
Joye Neff, the Fundraising Queen! You are AMAZING!
Karen Pickles, the Fundraising Website Wonder. Thank you for keeping one
step ahead of Joye, it's a difficu
Kim,
I'm one of the contacts for the Bernese Mountain Dog Genealogical Site,
how can I help? Contact me off the List?
Pat
Renee,
I'm so sorry to hear about Bear, and I'll be waiting on pins and needles
with everyone else to hear what the Oncologist says. There is an article
about histio on my website, you can read it here:
http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/
There is not currently any tumor submission proces
As Joye mentioned, Karen Connors is our own very special Angel Lady. For
those of you who know someone who needs a Berner Angel Pin, you can
contact Karen to let her know, and she'll send it out. It's her legacy
to her Britney, or rather Britney's legacy to us all. And Britney has
touched a great m
Tim,
Don't think that blindness will necessarily preclude Gandalf from
running free and enjoying life! Just a few extra commands will help
tremendously. We taught our Sam the commands, up, down, over, under, and
careful. That was about it! And when we called him, we clapped until he
came.
We lea
Jennie,
There are also several versions of AOL 7.0, the early ones did have
plain text as an option, the later ones did not. So it's not always
going to be the solution - but it may work for some people!
Thanks for sharing!!
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
This is a warning - this List is a pleasant place, it will continue to
be a pleasant place - even if I have to knock heads together to do it!
Keep discussions from becoming personal, refrain from making comments
that are incendiary, and remember to be respectful of one another.
We have many rude b
Just a quick note. I had fun at the Potomac Specialty, they always do a
great job! And I know how hard they work to make it look so easy!
I sat and watched the show this year, and had fun doing it - that could
get habit forming! I did photos just the one day after the show was
finished, and we had
Posted in plain text for Vilma:
>>I was wondering if anyone else has a problem with their pups getting
along.
Barum and Bailey are from different littersbut i am having some
sibling
rivalery problems if i separate them they cry for each other
Oh boy, you have two young puppies at
Vilma,
You know how much I love to see brags! And Congratulations!! It's always
wonderful to see obedience brags - especially from someone who does so
well in team with her dogs!
As for brag donations, you can do it any way you'd like, they are
strictly voluntary, and always cheerfully accepted!
Just a note about HTML versus plain text. We have not had a single
digest recently that didn't have at least one and sometimes as many as 5
or 6 posts that were unreadable for many of the List members. If you
post in HTML, only some people will be able to read your email message.
Please, PLEASE ta
2003 Potomac Valley BMDC Regional Independent Specialty, Point of Rocks,
MD Saturday and Sunday March 8 and 9, 2003 177 Dogs entered with a total
of 261 entries Sweepstakes Judge: Ms. Celia Cuellar Breed Judge: Ms.
Deborah J. Wilkins
Breed Results Sunday March 9, 2003
Puppy 6 - 9 months, Dogs
1st
Herb Hoffman was kind enough to type these all for another list - I'm
using them to post here! Sweeps first.
Pat
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2003 Potomac Valley BMDC Regional Independent Specialty, Point of Rocks,
MD Saturday and Sunday March 8 and 9, 2003 177 Dogs entered with a total
of 261 en
Forwarded in plain text for Willem, please respond to him directly!!
Pat
--
I need some help for Dingo, she has already for a couple of weeks
terrible itching eyes.
She rub her eyes along everything on the carpet on stone walls in the
garden along trees, and she rub so st
Kim,
Thanks for making the effort, most people just email me to ask for help!
I think the problem with your commands is that you are sending them in
HTML. Are you sending emails from www.aol.com or from version AOL 7.0 or
later? Try sending the list command from www.aol.com, and if that
doesn't wo
Please respond directly to Vanessa if you can help with any information!
Pat
Hello, My dog Samson an 11 month old Bernese was hit by a car yesterday.
His injuries are to front right shoulder and side. He has a
Pneumothorax,which I'm led to believe will heal,but the shou
Mark,
Actually, there is quite a bit of research that has gone into the Large
Breed puppy formulas. We used to think that percentage of protein was
what determined growth, and many people still mistakenly believe that a
low percentage protein food should be fed to growing Berners. (There is
some t
Dear Brigitte,
Welcome to the Berner-L! I'm sure there will be a lot of people who can
help point you in the right direction!
You didn't happen to mention what part of the world you're in, but if
you are anywhere near Maryland in the USA this weekend, there is an
enormous regional Specialty, the
Robin,
Go to www.berner.org
Click on "berner-l compilations"
Then click on "yellow_grass"
You'll see some of the back Digest posts about the topic!
Pat Long (& Luther, UNCDX)
Berwyn PA
Bonnie,
Congratulations! I'm always glad to see obedience teams doing well, you
hug him for me!!
As for the brag, probably the best thing you could do would be to send
in to the histio fundraiser, see:
http://www.overthefence.com/raffle/histio/
for information. Or you can send it to me for the ge
Cathy,
There is only one way that I know of to positively diagnose malignant
histiocytosis, and that is by examination of a tumor sample, obtained
either by biopsy or post mortem. That is also Fred Hutchinson Cancer
Research Center's team's preferred diagnostic method as well. They have
been accep
Posted in plain text in case you couldn't read it! Congratulations to
Marsha!
Pat Long, a babysat Daisy, (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
-Original Message-
From: TERRY ZIMMERMAN
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:35 PM
To: berner-l; bmdcgsmembers; bmdclubs; bmdlobby; ebnetbmd1; Marsha
Hargrave; meado
Bobbie,
It's wonderful to hear that you'll be doing some Search and Rescue work,
we'll all want to hear more about that as the training continues!
Excellent!
You make the statement that the Lacey x Jackson lines has produced some
of the most long lived Bernese. I'd sure love to know more about th
Molly,
(And I know you already know this - I'm just giving the numbers we have
for everyone who hasn't seen them yet!) With anything that is expressed
in terms of an overall average, there will be many above and many below
that average. So taking the statistics on males from the health survey,
T
Vicky,
Considering that the neutered Berners tend to have a longer lifespan
than the intact Berners, both male and female, I'd still stick to the
neutering!
Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
Susan,
We're ready for spring here too - just finished shoveling the driveway.
Again. I love cold weather, but enough with the snow already!
There is information about bloat that you can read here:
http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/
it has information about bloat, experiences sha
Trying this again!
-Original Message-
From: Pat Long & Paul Dangel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:57 PM
To: 'berner-l'
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Health Costs
Subject was "Sterling is 9"
Just a quick note o
I was just reminded that Obedience is open to all breeds!
Thanks Donna! (Will you have Sherman there with you?)
Pat
Of course, I have the two paintings here next to me, just waiting for -
ME TO WIN THEM!! I do like to save the postage costs if I can, it's how
I help contribute more to the breed. Selfless of me I know, but it's the
thoughtful sort of Berner person I am!
Jean, thank you so much for the work in pu
For all those of you in the Lancaster PA area:
Sunday, March 2nd
At the Kaye Ames School for Dogs
Lancaster, PA - Rain or Shine!
Conformation and obedience will be judged indoors.
Light refreshments and food will be available, everyone is welcome -
Berner owners, prospective owners, spectators, e
Posted in plain text for Carrie, sorry for the repeat for those of you
who could read her other ones! -- Pat
I have had a few people e-mail me with questions about what a "stick"
pedigree is, so I thought I would clarify what I was asking for.
Stick pedigrees are a method Dr. Battalgia has
OK, who is the Berner on page 46 of the April issue, pulling a Dachshund
in the cart! Very cute!
Pat Long, a babysat Gabby, (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
Mark,
You can also read all about the List recommendations on vacuums at
www.berner.org, just click on "compilations" to see that back digest
information!
Pat Long, a babysat Gabby, (& Luther)
Berwyn PA
Have all of you seen the night lights that the specialty store has for
sale?
http://www.bmdcaspecialty.org/2003/Pages/WaysnMeans.html
I got one, and I'm seriously thinking that all of my rooms are looking a
little dark and in need of a night light. I don't know how he did these,
but they r
Vicky,
We did one in 1999, raised about $6000! Many of us contributed squares,
and Lynn Hawkinson did the piecing and quilting!! There were enough left
over from the full quilt to do a lap quilt, and one more for a pillow.
The lap quilt is hanging on my wall, I bought it at the health fund
auction
> spare a thought for the similarly named person who may also be nearby
Molly,
That has happened to me! I was at the park with the dogs, and Luther
took exception to a jogger. He started to bark and go into attack mode.
"Luther, Stop it NOW!" The jogger stopped and looked, then continued.
Luther
Janice,
Dogs will definitely differentiate between breeds. Hannibal was attacked
by a pit bull when he was a puppy, and he always enjoyed having an
opportunity to return the favor. I made sure Hannibal was on a tight
leash around any pit bull. I knew a dog that hated anything that looked
like a Sa
Liz,
I'm sure I would have loved the Haggis if I had been able to get any of
the Berners to share, really I would have!! (Not off topic anymore,
Berners are in this one!)
http://www.berksweb.com/pam/scrapple.html
All you want to know about scrapple and then some! I like to buy it
ready made, and
Mary,
Actually, I wasn't raised in the South, but my Mother was. My family
still lives down in Griffin Georgia, and my fondest childhood memories
are of summer vacations in Georgia. Fighting with my uncle over the last
of the fried okra. Or fighting with my uncle over the half gallon of
butter pec
Posted belatedly for Sindi!
CH Degrasso's Harleigh V Legacy is 11 years old today and she is doing
well.
Sindi Leo
L-Sin BMDs
Sumerduck, VA
Forwarded in plain text, belatedly, for Andrea:
Hi all,
Note to self... Do not let Chance roll Buster Cube under bushes so that
it can hardly be seen... Do not leave Cube outside in yard for weeks
(months?) without first verifying that it is empty...
EEEWW
Moldy, wet, congealed (
Wired News. - 02:00 AM Feb. 14, 2003 PT
Bogus Alerts Target PayPal Users - By Christopher Null
PayPal users are under attack by an increasingly sophisticated series of
e-mail worms.
Since the beginning of the year, at least four e-mail messages disguised
as security upgrade announcements fr
Jean,
The biggest drawback I know of the BARF diet is a lack of dietary
knowledge. My understanding of the four basic food groups for humans is
as follows:
Chocolate
McDonald's
Potato Chips
Chocolate
That's not a mistake, chocolate is important enough to be two separate
food groups. Green is not
Berner owners are an amazing group of people, and it's a group of which
I'm proud and privileged to be a part. The efforts that people take to
help each other and the breed as a whole are just fantastic. We have
people who run incredibly involved fundraisers, people who help set up
websites for fun
>from Lisa's email's subject line: Be suspicious of newspaper ads
selling dogs
Lisa makes an excellent point, but it's misstated. She should have said
just "Be suspicious." It doesn't matter where anyone advertises, there
are scrupulous and unscrupulous breeders (and buyers) all over. Some
adverti
To those of you who have already contacted me about older computers,
thank you!
BUT!! I absolutely cannot take this one on. If we are going to find uses
for old computers, it will take someone with a bit of time to organize
it, a bit of knowledge of computers and software to know what will work
wi
Forwarded in plain text for Laura:
It is with great sadness that I tell everyone that I helped my beloved
Jake cross the Rainbow bridge on Thursday.I had hoped that his liver
cancer would not advance so quickly, but that was not to be.Jake had not
eaten for several days and when I took him for a
If anyone is upgrading and has an older computer that could be shipped
to someone that has a need for one, maybe someone would be willing to
volunteer as a clearing house for things like this? People with a need
for a computer: those that do rescue but can't afford one; those that
are in the midst
Plain text for Willem!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re.Photo wanted.
Hi Berner lovers,
On this way i will thanks every one who gife responce on the call for
photo,s from Berners in the snow,i am overwhel
Willem,
I know that you have some hard choices to make, I've been enjoying all
the photos I've passed along to you, so many of them are just
wonderful!! Good luck, and happy painting! Don't do too much, save those
eyes!!
And I just wanted to take this time to say thank you for all the
paintings y
I just wanted to post a note about the photos that Joye and I do as
fundraisers (and Joye and I will be doing them again this year at the
California Specialty). You can use those photos any way that you would
like. So if you see someone like Sheila Jones posting that she needs
photos to use for pai
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