Dave Taht writes:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 19:09, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, David Lang wrote:
>>>
Deploy what we already know to work on the
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:42 AM, David Lang wrote:
> Most people not only aren't operating at 1Gb/sec, they can't buy a 1Gb/sec
> line at any cost.
I too have seen the bursty behavior that OP is describing. It's one
reason why cake's estimator can't get a good result on cable.
>
Most people not only aren't operating at 1Gb/sec, they can't buy a 1Gb/sec line
at any cost.
100Mb is getting more common, but the majority of people cannot buy a line this
fast for any amount of money.
10-30 Mb is probably the range that "most people" have, with a large number stll
having
I meant the actual physical link, not the provisioned rate. Most last mile
tech encapsulates Ethernet frames into larger super-frames. Decapsulating
the Ethernet frames is pretty much at 1Gb line rate. On my GPON link, with
shaping in PFSense turned off, I regularly see 4,000+ 1500byte datagrams
> BQL for vmxnet3 (if possible). Virtual router are becoming common.
BQL could be implemented in vmxnet3, but probably not in virtio.
virtio defers freeing packets to try and have better cache behavior
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Can I encourage folk to think big and out of the technical box?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
> What's left to do?
>
> What else can we do?
>
> What should we stop doing?
>
> What can we do better?
>
> --
> Dave Täht
> Let's go make home routers and wifi
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Jonathan Morton wrote:
On 23 Nov, 2016, at 20:46, David Lang wrote:
Do you need a device that ships with the fixes in it from the factory?
I think this is what we should aim for. That would greatly simplify
installation for Joe Average, and it could
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
On Nov 23, 2016, at 19:09, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, David Lang wrote:
Deploy what we already know to work on the real edge devices and things get
vastly simpler.
One problem will be that the actual
> On 23 Nov, 2016, at 20:46, David Lang wrote:
>
> Do you need a device that ships with the fixes in it from the factory?
I think this is what we should aim for. That would greatly simplify
installation for Joe Average, and it could serve as an anchor point in the
wider
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Rich Brown wrote:
I feel particularly acutely the fact that we don't have a good "simple to
deliver" solution today for the curious (not deeply commited) person. I was
trying to help a friend with a TP-Link Archer C7, but was stymied because I
can't simply install OpenWrt
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote:
Most people only have a 1Gb network link,
umm, no, most people have FAR slower links, by an order or two of magnatude.
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
>
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 19:09, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, David Lang wrote:
>>
>>> Deploy what we already know to work on the real edge devices and things get
>>> vastly
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 19:09, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, David Lang wrote:
>
>> Deploy what we already know to work on the real edge devices and things get
>> vastly simpler.
One problem will be that the actual edge devices are often ISP
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 9:54 AM, David Lang wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
>> If Comcast sells you 100/20 (I have no idea if this is a thing), you set
>> your upstream on this box to 18 meg fq_codel, and then Comcast
>> oversubscribes you so you only get
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:56 AM, David Lang wrote:
> that doesn't even do 5GHz, so your wifi performance will be cripped by
> interference and the lack of available bandwidth.
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Noah Causin wrote:
>
> There is a company called Netduma which sells a
I feel particularly acutely the fact that we don't have a good "simple to
deliver" solution today for the curious (not deeply commited) person. I was
trying to help a friend with a TP-Link Archer C7, but was stymied because I
can't simply install OpenWrt CC because of their "FCC fix".
Besides,
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, David Lang wrote:
Deploy what we already know to work on the real edge devices and things
get vastly simpler.
Sure! Sounds Great. How?
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that doesn't even do 5GHz, so your wifi performance will be cripped by
interference and the lack of available bandwidth.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Noah Causin wrote:
There is a company called Netduma which sells a product called the
Netduma R1 Router. It's main feature is reducing lag. It does
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
If Comcast sells you 100/20 (I have no idea if this is a thing), you set
your upstream on this box to 18 meg fq_codel, and then Comcast
oversubscribes you so you only get 15 meg up part of the time, then you're
still bloated by the modem. This is
There is a company called Netduma which sells a product called the
Netduma R1 Router. It's main feature is reducing lag. It does this
through QOS and GEO-IP Filtering. (Limiting available servers to your
local region = reduced RTT)
It seems relatively popular in the gaming world,
Well,
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 18:31, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote:
>
>> If there is a simple affordable solution, say Open/DD-WRT distro based
>> bridge that all you do is configure your up/down bandwidth and it applies
>>
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote:
If there is a simple affordable solution, say Open/DD-WRT distro based
bridge that all you do is configure your up/down bandwidth and it
applies Codel/fq-Codel/Cake, then all you need to do is drive up
awareness. A good channel for awareness would
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson
wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Pedro Tumusok wrote:
>
> If this something we should try, I can help out with the first point, but
>> the second one probably needs local bufferbloat evangelists.
>>
>
> I am not worried about
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Pedro Tumusok wrote:
If this something we should try, I can help out with the first point,
but the second one probably needs local bufferbloat evangelists.
I am not worried about getting these people on board to show a solution.
I'm worried that we do not have a solution
The bufferbloat site has lot of informations, but many are outdated
(and also not very well organized/formatted). I'd suggest removing (or
clearly tagging as such) all obsolete infos (I would also consider
obsolete everything that was only needed before current Debian
stable).
I'd also like to
On 23/11/2016 11:31, Pedro Tumusok wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Kelvin Edmison > wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:28 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson > wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Kelvin Edmison wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:28 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016, Dave Taht wrote:
>
> I would like to see the industries most affected by bufferbloat -
>
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:28 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016, Dave Taht wrote:
>>
>> I would like to see the industries most affected by bufferbloat -
>> voip/videoconferencing/gaming,web gain a good recognition of the problem,
>>
> On 23 Nov, 2016, at 10:28, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
> If we can find a product that solves the gaming community problem (they're
> one of the people who have "ping" in their applications and who immediately
> notices when it's bad), we could perhaps approach someone
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016, Dave Taht wrote:
I would like to see the industries most affected by bufferbloat -
voip/videoconferencing/gaming,web gain a good recognition of the
problem, how to fix it, and who to talk to about it (router makers and
ISPs)
It would be great if the realtime
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