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Zoo Octopus Learns To Open
Shrimp Jar By Watching
MUNICH, Germany (Reuters) - A common octopus in a German zoo has learned
to open jars of shrimp.. Depending on how tight the lid is, it takes her
anything from 10
seconds to an hour to get it off, said Frank
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't particularly have a problem with COBOL; in fact, I like it a good
sight better than some *other* languages to which I've been exposed, like
FORTRAN (I know, I know, they do completely different things). Reggie
Bautista
If I have to choose
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
If I have to choose between coding COBOL and coding RPG,
I would much rather go for COBOL.
What is RPG? I know two things that use this AFT, but
none of them are computer languages.
I feel I can exercise a lot more control with a
computer programming
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3597-2003Feb26.html
NASA said Tuesday night that it had recovered a videotape showing four of
the Columbia astronauts in the last minutes of their flight just before
things went awry.
The 13 minutes of tape, which includes the space shuttle's flight
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to understand what the code is doing. Properly formatted,
languages with _less_ symbols are more clear. I like,
for example, to compare C with Pascal.
Sure, I'd agree with that one. But then if you take, say, C and Python... even if
people don't know the language
Paul said:
Sure, I'd agree with that one. But then if you take, say, C and
Python... even if people don't know the language as such, anyone
reading a Python program stands a very good chance of understanding
what the code is doing.
I think the primary determinant of code readability isn't
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is RPG? I know two things that use this AFT, but
none of them are computer languages.
RPG stands for Report Program Generator.
When I began my Computer Sciences courses in the mid-late 80's, the order in
which languages were taught was:
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 11:27:18PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote:
From ABC News:
US has spent $840 million in rebuilding Afghanistan so far.
And the US spent somewhere in the range $15 to $30 billion to fight the
war in Afghanistan (NOT including costs of the WTC, terrorist defense,
etc.).
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I feel I can exercise a lot more control with a
computer programming language that uses instructions
that resemble natural language.
This is your feeling, but not mine. I think a computer
language that adds unnecessary symbols make it harder
to
At 07:40 PM 2/25/2003 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He was playing against Clinton, what did you expect?
This is an incredibly cheap shot. Clinton had no support at home or abroad
for a policy to confrount Iraq.
He never asked nor worked for such support.President George W. Bush has.
At 07:49 PM 2/25/2003 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for DPRK, you say Clinton's policy failed but in fact Korea did stop
its nuclear program for a time and it is the current circumstance some of
it Bush's Fault that got those lunatics started again
This is false.According to *every*
At 08:48 PM 2/25/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Oh, but the name calling was entirely constructive, don't you think? I
mean why bother with all that diplomacy stuff when you can publicly
brand a nation as evil and be done with it? Now that's a foreign policy
you can sink your teeth into.
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:14 am, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I feel I can exercise a lot more control with a
computer programming language that uses instructions
that resemble natural language.
When my wife was doing a two-year computing course she had to learn
COBOL. I'd never used
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:32:34 +
When my wife was doing a two-year computing course she had to learn COBOL.
I'd never used COBOL, and when I saw it I found it close to
incomprehensible.
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all
Sonja wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:33:40 +1000, Russell Chapman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any explanation appreciated.
The tiny Netherlands basically have a north south divide. Pretty much
along
the big rivers. The north is protestant, monarchist and loud. The south is
catholic, papist and
Alberto wrote:
Sonja wrote:
The Dutch calling
themselves 'Hollanders' has it's roots in history (I believe somewhere
in
the 80 years war (...)
Which war is that? A 50 year extension of the 30 Years War, or a 20
year truce in the 100 Years War? :-)
It's this little rebellion the
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, but the name calling was entirely constructive,
don't you think? I
mean why bother with all that diplomacy stuff when
you can publicly
brand a nation as evil and be done with it? Now
that's a foreign policy
you can sink your teeth into.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/25/2003 12:00:24 AM Eastern
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He was playing against Clinton, what did you
expect?
This is an incredibly cheap shot. Clinton had no
support at home or abroad for a policy to confrount
Iraq. And let
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:51:48PM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all incomprehensible
programming languages has to be Assembly language.
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest language I
have learned. Tedious to use, but
In a message dated 2/26/03 8:03:15 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the 80 years war (...)
Which war is that? A 50 year extension of the 30 Years War, or a 20
year truce in the 100 Years War? :-)
It's this little rebellion the netherlanders had against friendly
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Then sometime between 1:30 and 2, Sammy tripped and hit his
forehead on the
box his alphabet blocks live in, and it cut him. Deep.
About half an inch long.
Those head wounds are the worst. They just bleed and bleed like crazy.
Andrew had
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 03:19 pm, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:51:48PM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all incomprehensible
programming languages has to be Assembly language.
No, no, no, that has to be Prolog...
No,
A strange analysis of Trek centered around Shatner's virility (and
subsequent treks lack thereof), but it does contain a few bits that are
appropriate to what's been discussed on the list.
If anyone wants the full article, let me know offlist.
Jon
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Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
Girding
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Girding myself to see Gods and Generals.
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No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest language I
have learned. Tedious to use, but easy to understand. It followed what
was going on in the CPU in a straightforward manner, little abstraction.
True, Assembler is a very powerful tool. To
That's pretty good! I wonder how many actors besides Shatner went
commando, though In those flimsy tight pants, underwear probably
would have shown through in a manner very obvious to the actors if not to
the average TV viewer of the day.
Marvin Long
Austin, Texas
Bush, Cheney,
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That's pretty good! I wonder how many actors
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest language I
have learned. Tedious to use, but easy to understand. It followed what
was going on in the CPU in a straightforward manner, little abstraction.
True,
[80 years war]
Ticia wrote:
It's this little rebellion the netherlanders had against
friendly Spanish rule / world domination in Spain's golden
age (the empire where the sun never set...) Lenghty
chapters in Dutch history books, barely a paragraph
in my Spanish history book...
JDG wrote:
Bush II - A unanimous vote in the UNSC to resume
inspections or else Iraq will face serious consequences.
Debate shifts from whether or not to have inspections,
to whether or not Iraq should be disarmed by force.
In other words, the question now is whether those
serious
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 12:39:43PM +, Richard Baker wrote:
I think the primary determinant of code readability isn't the language
but the choice of variable and function names. I think that with a wise
While you're right, some languages tend to encourage clean code more than
others. C and
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 01:06:39PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Out of curiosity, have you ever tried to debug someone else's massive
assembly code?
No. I think we are considering different things. I agree that would be difficult
in assembly unless the original programmer did an extremely good job
Paul said:
While you're right, some languages tend to encourage clean code more
than others. C and Perl can both be incredibly terse, for example, and
there's a tendency for advanced users to write code which can't be
understood by anybody - including themselves six months later.
That's
Those of you following the Iraq situation might find this interesting:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2799377.stm
In short, Tony Blair just suffered a gigantic rebellion by his
backbenchers over war with Iraq. I've just been watching coverage of
the House and it was pretty dramatic, and
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:42 PM
Subject: Labour revolt
Those of you following the Iraq situation might find this interesting:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 01:53 am, Reggie Bautista wrote:
William T. Goodall wrote:
Or of course 'Once More With Feeling' from BtVS series 6...
My wife made stop playing that around her when it got to the point
that either one of us could sing any of the three or four lines that
are
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat
is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or
7 PM Greenwich time, so it's beginning now. There will
probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight
hours after the start time. See my instruction page for help
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:51:48PM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all incomprehensible
programming languages has to be Assembly language.
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do you think of Gautam's argument that a swift
military victory in
Iraq will turn the support numbers around, like the
victory over Argentina
did for Maggie?
Dan M.
I should note that I think that's true for the British
public, but not
[Nick, I got this message much later than the replies to it]
William Taylor wrote:
We need a Fifty Years War to fill in the gap
between 30 and 80...
A 42 Years War would be
nothing to panic about.
We might consider that the WW3 was the 44 Years War too.
Or maybe if we mark
Dan said:
What do you think of Gautam's argument that a swift military victory
in Iraq will turn the support numbers around, like the victory over
Argentina did for Maggie?
I think that it's possible, but on the other hand this situation is very
different to that one. The Labour Party has
Gautam said:
I should note that I think that's true for the British
public, but not necessarily for the Labour MPs. Tony
Blair is New Labour, but there aren't that many of
them in the actual Parliament, most of which is made
up of Old Labour.
I think that Labour MPs are much more New
Gary L. Nunn wrote:
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Earth has bid its final farewell to
the Pioneer 10 space craft 31 years after the probe set off
for the outer regions of the solar system.
The National Aeronautics and Space Administration said on
Tuesday that it had received Pioneer's last
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that Labour MPs are much more New Labour
than most of the
Labour Party though. Quite a lot of town and county
councils seem to
have an awful lot of unreconstructed Labourites
(some even verging on
actual Marxism) sitting on them. (Or at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2374-2003Feb25.html
The Washington Post reports from liberated Kabul.
Odds on how long it will be before such a report is
filed from Baghdad?
Gautam
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At 20:22 24-2-2003 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be
regarded as a criminal offense. -- E. W. Dijkstra:
Ah, Dijkstra. I saw him on a panel discussion once. He insisted that all
computer programs should be proven, or verified,
At 07:49 AM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
I feel I can exercise a lot more control with a
computer programming language that uses instructions
that resemble natural language.
This is your feeling, but not mine. I think a computer
language that adds unnecessary symbols make it harder
to
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Labour revolt
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:04:50 -0800 (PST)
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that Labour MPs are much more New Labour
The US is spending a lot of money to fight wars and pay for consequences
after the fact, but relatively little for prevention of future wars and
future terrorism. These are seriously screwed up priorities. We should
be spending money on improvements and preventing future problems, rather
than
http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2003/02/25/update_ten.html
Kentucky General Assembly
Measure seeks pro-commandments constitutional amendment
Associated Press
Expanded Coverage
FRANKFORT, Ky. -- A resolution for Congress to propose a constitutional
amendment to allow posting of
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From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: US Rebuilding Efforts
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:25:59 -0500
The US is spending a lot of money to fight wars and pay for consequences
after the fact, but
At 02:51 PM 2/26/2003 +, you wrote:
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:32:34 +
When my wife was doing a two-year computing course she had to learn
COBOL. I'd never used COBOL, and when I saw it I found it close to
incomprehensible.
You have to agree,
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 04:25:59PM -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote:
Right! If we just spent money to disarm people before the war happens.
That's not very clear thinking. How would you do that? Better to try to
persuade them to not WANT to take arms up against us in the first place.
Kevin T. -
Gautam said:
It would not surprise me in the least if (as you say) a lot of town
and county councils had members of Old Labour running them - but it
would surprise me a great deal if the _rank and file_ of Old Labour
was more extreme than the Parliamentary representatives. Is that
correct?
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:39:45PM -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote:
Hi back, Paul, welcome to the list! Wow, I'm just bowled over to see the
A slightly belated cheers :)
Overall I found their later works lacking the grand scope and musical
dexterity of their older albums. The post Power Windows
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 03:30:33PM -0600, The Fool wrote:
Richard Treitz of Greensburg, state director of the group Ten Commandments
Kentucky, said court rulings banning display of the commandments in public
buildings is invoking the curses of Almighty God.
I don't know about anyone else, but
At 15:54 26-2-2003 +0100, Ticia Luengo wrote:
I spend my formative schooling years in Spain so I'm not sure where the
rivers are that divide the North South, but what actually constitutes
the south the in your book Sonja? Gelderland, Limburg Zeeland?
I think that would be Zeeland,
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/Ireland_abuse030126.html
Ireland's Dirty Laundry
Wounds Still Fresh For Thousands of Women Enslaved by the Catholic Church
By Hilary Brown and Matt McGarry
C O R K, Ireland, Jan. 26 A sudden spate of TV exposés, docudramas and
a major motion
At 12:31 26-2-2003 -0300, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Ah, there are lenghty chapters of it in _Brazilian_ history [but I didn't
know that this war had a name]: Portugal had been anschlussed by Spain,
and the Dutch tried to conquer the Northeast of Brazil. Probably barely a
paragraph in _dutch_
At 15:46 25-2-2003 -0800, Jeffrey Miller wrote:
People down south are more levelheaded and have more sense. grin
Sonja
GCU Care to guess which part of the country I grew up? grin
..and Jeroen? :D
Care to guess? :-)
Jeroen You ain't much if you ain't Dutch van Baardwijk
At 07:17 26-2-2003 -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
When Saddam Hussein attempted to assassinate George H.W. Bush, what was
Clinton's response? A cruise missile strike on Iraqi intelligence HQ,
_launched at night so that the building would be unoccupied_. What sort
of message did that send?
The
Jeroen wrote:
As the song goes, There's no use crying over spilled perfume.
Interesting. There's no such song in English (at least not that I'm aware
of), but there is a commonly used adage, There's no use crying over spilled
milk.
Reggie Bautista
GSV Diversity Is Good
Mixing Milk and Perfume
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/037/oped/Creationists_evolving_argument+
shtml
Creationists' evolving argument
By Ellen Goodman, 2/6/2003
mICHAEL DINI doesn't exactly fit the profile of an antireligious bigot.
For one thing, the Texas Tech biology professor spent 14 years in a Roman
Catholic
David wrote (that's David H., I think):
My impression is that C was designed for people who
could not type rapidly. I agree, once you really know the
syntax and all the commands, shorter is better. But one
has to get to that point somehow! For instance, we could
type English more
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From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite
SciFi/FantasyMovieSoundtrack?]
David wrote (that's David H., I think):
My impression is that C was
The Fool wrote:
There are less C keywords than ASM instructions. Simple is always
better.
c:
[short code sample snipped]
asm:
[longer but equivalent code sample snipped]
Just out of curiosity -- once these examples are both compiled, will they
take up an equivalent amount of space and/or take
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the disclaimer that I have no hard evidence
supporting anything I'm
about to say and I'm certainly not an expert on the
Labour Party, I
think that the rank and file of the Labour Party is
indeed more extreme
than the leadership. Here's how I
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If at the time the US government believed they
didn't have enough evidence
to put Osama bin Laden on trial, then refusing the
offer was a sensible
approach. Why bother to have someone handed over to
you, if you know you're
going to have to
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:39:03 -, Alberto Monteiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sonja wrote:
The Dutch calling themselves 'Hollanders' has it's roots in history (I
believe somewhere in the 80 years war (...)
Which war is that? A 50 year extension of the 30 Years War, or a 20
year truce in the
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool wrote:
There are less C keywords than ASM instructions. Simple is always
better.
c:
[short code sample snipped]
asm:
[longer but equivalent code sample snipped]
Just out of curiosity -- once these examples are both compiled, will
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 05:19:17PM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Just out of curiosity -- once these examples are both compiled, will they
take up an equivalent amount of space and/or take an equivalent amount of
time to run?
These days, generally the version produced by the compiler will be
In a message dated 2/26/2003 8:47:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
He never asked nor worked for such support.President George W. Bush has.
And we know that Clinton did not attempt to get consent to keep pressure on Iraq how?
You are privy to the diplomatic efforts
In a message dated 2/26/2003 8:47:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
He never asked nor worked for such support.President George W. Bush has.
And we know that Clinton did not attempt to get consent to keep pressure on Iraq how?
You are privy to the diplomatic efforts
Let me start with the first WTC bombing about which Clinton did nothing. Well we
caught the guys who did it. What were we to do next?
We had enough evidence to know that he was launching
terrorist attacks against the United States, and was
planning on doing so again. We should, of course,
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From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie
Soundtrack?]
Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:09 PM
I wrote:
Just out of curiosity -- once these examples are both compiled, will
they
take up an
Reggie Bautista wrote:
I haven't done much coding in... I guess it's been at least ten years. I'm
just getting back into it now, and have another question for you or anyone
else. Assuming that I am going to learn both C++ and Java, which would you
recommend learning first? I have previous
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me start with the first WTC bombing about which
Clinton did nothing. Well we caught the guys who did
it. What were we to do next?
They didn't act alone. They were supported by Bin
Laden, among many others. We should have been a _lot_
more aggressive in going
The Fool wrote:
From somewhere:
With the proliferation of modern programming languages which seem to have
stolen countless features from each other sometimes makes it difficult to
select a which language appropriate for your task. This guide is offered
as a public service to help
On 26 Feb 2003 at 20:16, Richard Baker wrote:
Gautam said:
I should note that I think that's true for the British
public, but not necessarily for the Labour MPs. Tony
Blair is New Labour, but there aren't that many of
them in the actual Parliament, most of which is made
up of Old
It's official.
From http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=115884
or
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y15046E93
Excerpt:
'Buffy,' in this incarnation, is over, Gellar
told Entertainment Weekly magazine for its March
7 issue, her eyes welling with tears.
Damn.
Reggie Bautista
At 10:48 PM 2/26/03 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote:
It's official.
From http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=115884
or
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y15046E93
Excerpt:
'Buffy,' in this incarnation, is over, Gellar
told Entertainment Weekly magazine for its March
7 issue,
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