Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want a serious discussion of religion, we should probably all agree to adopt an agnostic viewpoint for the duration. But what kind of discussion is it where one adopts a

RE: Literalism (was RE: God, Religion, and Sports)

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jan Coffey Sent: Friday, There was plenty to respond to, but I'll pick this one... the guy preaching to you on sunday has no right to tell you

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want a serious discussion of religion, we should probably all agree to adopt an agnostic viewpoint for the duration. But what kind

Re: Religion Discussion, was God, Religion and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iaamoac wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want a serious discussion of religion, we should probably all agree to adopt an agnostic viewpoint for the duration. But what kind of discussion is

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Richard Baker
Jan quoted: Well If god hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. People are made of meat too. ObSF: the cannibals and vegetarian guerrillas in _Delicatessen_. Rich ___

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan quoted: Well If god hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. People are made of meat too. ObSF: the cannibals and vegetarian guerrillas in _Delicatessen_. Eat me. ..sorry, I just had to say it, I just

Re: 28 Days Later

2003-07-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 10:01:23PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Are there any explosions? I like explosions I hear T3 has explosions, but little else (haven't seen it myself). -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: 28 Days Later

2003-07-05 Thread Michael Harney
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 10:01:23PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Are there any explosions? I like explosions I hear T3 has explosions, but little else (haven't seen it myself). I haven't seen it myself, but I heard it has more than just

King of the Hill Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Jan Coffey wrote: Well If god hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. It works better if you pretend like your name is hank and you sell propane and propane accessories. :) OK, just for that, Jan, I'm going to ask you the question under discussion

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Jan Coffey wrote: --- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan quoted: Well If god hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. People are made of meat too. ObSF: the cannibals and vegetarian guerrillas in _Delicatessen_. Eat me. ..sorry,

Re: King of the Hill Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: Well If god hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. It works better if you pretend like your name is hank and you sell propane and propane accessories. :) OK, just for

Re: King of the Hill Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Jan Coffey wrote: --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) OK, just for that, Jan, I'm going to ask you the question under discussion at the barbecue I was at yesterday evening (where the big draw was the turkey breasts that the host had smoked from 8AM until 2PM yesterday,

Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles to have globalreach)

2003-07-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Having read somewhere that spider silk has greater tensile strength than steel It seems thatwhile still not understood, [the structure] involves sheets of 'stiff' alanine chains coupled with more flexible/elastic

More on Spiders

2003-07-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
Unless a spider actively gets in my way, I pretty much ignore them, although I am careful to leave those that live in my houseplants free to catch mosquitoes and gnats (I have both tiny web-spinners and the larger 'jumping' variety). But they're really quite fascinating animals, besides their

The economics of interface transportation

2003-07-05 Thread Richard Baker
I know that Gautam, at least, enjoyed my article The economics of space transportation and thought that some of you might be interested in the second part of my series on the economics of space. This one is called The economics of interface transportation and covers the launch vehicle market:

Scouted: Vinyl Chloride Eater

2003-07-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
Apparently we've inadvertantly helped develop a bacterium that needs our waste to live: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20030703/ap_on_sc/toxic_feeder_5 ...Vinyl chloride is one of the most common and hazardous industrial chemicals. It can linger in the soil for hundreds of years

Re: Brin: Government Information Awareness

2003-07-05 Thread d.brin
Very Transparency oriented. Very cool. I'm actually engaged on some work along similar lines. http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,59495,00.html Government Prying, the Good Kind By Michelle Delio The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest, according to the architect

Re: 28 Days Later

2003-07-05 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/4/2003 10:01:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More than a bit of night of the dead as well. Just saw this today. Despite or in spite of its wholly unoriginal plot this is a terrific movie. See it Are there any explosions? I like

Re: Brin: A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy

2003-07-05 Thread d.brin
Interesting. But of course nothing new. The reason these boys did what they did is because of lack of accountability. SOme males hold THEMSELVES accountable. But nobody does it perfectly. It's a favor that others will willingly to FOR you. You repay them by (eagerly) returning the

Re: More on Spiders

2003-07-05 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 7/5/2003 2:52:03 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So What Could Spider*Woman* Do With Her More Complex Spinnerets? Maru ;) Sell a lot of comic books to sexually frustrated male teens and preteens. ---depending upon what her costume (or lack of)

Sandy Kofax

2003-07-05 Thread Bemmzim
No baseball for a while so I thought I might stir the pot. Just finished Jane Leavy's excellent if reverential bio. It provides some insight into this extrarordinarly private man. She dispells notions that he did not really like baseball, or that he was aloof from teamates. But the main thing

Re: 28 Days Later

2003-07-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 06:44:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is lots of tension not the cheap stuff the real deal. I thought the stupid tunnel trip and the expedition into the gas-station house were awfully cheap. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: Sandy Kofax

2003-07-05 Thread TomFODW
No baseball for a while so I thought I might stir the pot. Just finished Jane Leavy's excellent if reverential bio. There is an unfortunate tendency among some of Koufax's admirers, especially those who have known him, to elevate him into some kind of human paragon. Granted that he appears

Re: Scouted: Vinyl Chloride Eater

2003-07-05 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:21 PM 7/5/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: Apparently we've inadvertantly helped develop a bacterium that needs our waste to live: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20030703/ap_on_sc/toxic_feeder_5 ...Vinyl chloride is one of the most common and hazardous industrial chemicals.

RE: More on Spiders

2003-07-05 Thread Horn, John
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/5/2003 2:52:03 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So What Could Spider*Woman* Do With Her More Complex Spinnerets? Maru ;) Sell a lot of comic books to sexually frustrated male teens

No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

2003-07-05 Thread Dan Minette
I'm answering Erik's message in pieces, because it was extremely long. I' I'll start it with a general question, do people here think that there is rarely a real conflict between one's own interest and the interest of others? - Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Free will and physics

2003-07-05 Thread Dan Minette
We've had this discussion before -- the concept of free-will as you use it is just as useless a concept as god. But morality, as I've argued above, is quite useful in progressing towards goals. As a useful fiction to persuade people, certainly (actually persuade assumes free will, the uttering

Re: More on Spiders

2003-07-05 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 7/5/2003 8:17:33 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - jmh Comic Geek Maru But were you sexuaSPAT! Where'd that cream pie come from? Vilyehm Teighlore ___

RE: More on Spiders

2003-07-05 Thread Horn, John
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Comic Geek Maru But were you sexuaSPAT! Are there any other kind of male teenagers??? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l