On May 18, 2005, at 10:45 PM, Robert "Neil Diamond Sutra" Seeberger
wrote:
It seems to me that a lot of Dan's concern is based in the
extremes --
the fringes, the things which happen rarely if ever, but which (to
him
at the very least) seem to pose some serious ethical or moral
questions.
If so,
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> On May 18, 2005, at 9:26 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
>> Got an explicit example of this occuring exactly as you lay it out,
>> or are you simply engaging in supposition?
>
> To be fair, I think we should talk about the hypotheticals, even the
> ones that seem (to some of
On May 18, 2005, at 9:02 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Wasn't the middle finger the one that was stiffened in the astronauts'
gloves for pushing buttons, as well?
Was it? Wow. I never knew. I just figured they were responding to
riding on spaceships built by the lowest bidder.
;)
--
Warren Ockrassa,
On May 18, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Not to mention the big fat MISSSPELED WORDS & TYOPS that everyone else
inevitably sees . . . not to mention the logical, clear dialogue that
everyone else reads as a double-entendre . . .
Damn, I left my Freudian slip in the other closet.
--
Wa
On May 18, 2005, at 9:26 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Got an explicit example of this occuring exactly as you lay it out, or
are you simply engaging in supposition?
To be fair, I think we should talk about the hypotheticals, even the
ones that seem (to some of us at least) only remotely feasible or
Dan Minette wrote:
> What's trumped up or faked? You think that a woman wanting a late
> term abortion won't be extremely anxious? DSM4 is _the_ diagnostic
> tool for mental health. This is _literally_ by the book...her mental
> health is in danger if she is suffering anxiety disorder because she
Dan Minette wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The American
> PoliticalLandscape Today
>
>
> On 5/18/05, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
You know his later post made me think it's actually a reference to the
letter "d" on the QWERTY keyboard, which would fall under the left
middle finger of a touch typist, and which would possibly be programmed
for "delete".
If so I have to say the subtlety of the referenc
On May 18, 2005, at 8:46 PM, Andrew Paul wrote:
I think you are being unfair here Warren, surely Erik's left middle
finger constitutes some sort of signal, as long as he is using it in
the
traditional manner.
You know his later post made me think it's actually a reference to the
letter "d" on the
Warren Ockrassa wrote
>
> On May 18, 2005, at 4:59 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
>
> > You know, some bathroom time and a Playboy magazine (or a Playgirl,
> > depending on your personal preferences) will probably take care of
> > some of
> > that pent up frustration
>
> Playgirl's draw is more for wome
Hey DB, Long time ago I read the works of one T.Jefferson. I seem to remember
him talking abou the same sorts of things as you. Perhaps the "Old Fashion
Democratics" have the MOST to be ticked about. They've been sold some
watered-on version of stal-cialist. While the "acknowleged ruling elite"
On May 18, 2005, at 12:21 PM, I wrote:
On May 18, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Are you
arguing that it is for society to decide who is human and who isn't,
and
then proceed accordingly?
Isn't that, rather, the thrust of *your* argument? A decision that a
fetus past a certain number of da
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To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:
TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today
> In a message dated 5/18/2005 3:08:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > It depends
On May 18, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
OK, so what in your view is the unspoken assumption at play here?
Thinking about it, I think the assumption is implicit with Gary, but
more
explicit with you. That one's humanness is not innate. That society
has
the right to declare the humanness
In a message dated 5/18/2005 3:08:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It depends on whom is being threatened. If you believe that humanness in
> not innate, but society has a right to limit who is considered human, then
> that's a self consistent position. Is that your posit
In a message dated 5/17/2005 11:27:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> No, it wasn't. For me, the difference between defending abortion and
> defending the legality of abortion is far, far from a nuance. It is an
> enormous difference. You may regard it as a nuance if yo
In a message dated 5/16/2005 10:38:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The problem there is that your reasoning does not reduce. There is a
> >distinct difference between, say, a blastocyst and an infant. The
> >question is not even when the zygote becomes "human". The ques
William T Goodall wrote:
On 19 May 2005, at 1:32 am, Dave Land wrote:
On May 18, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote
> * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > I've been asked t
At 07:32 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 18, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote
> * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > I've been asked to ask you to tone it
On 19 May 2005, at 1:32 am, Dave Land wrote:
On May 18, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote
> * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > I've been asked to ask you to tone it down
On May 18, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote
> * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks
> > on-list.
> >
> > If y
At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote
> * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks
> > on-list.
> >
> > If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the proba
- Original Message -
From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:12 AM
Subject: Citgo gasoline
> So get your gas at Citgo. And help fuel a democratic revolution in
Venezuela.
There are a few other interesting factors about Chavez,
1) He did attempt a
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote
> * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks
> > on-list.
> >
> > If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of
> > your being placed on moderation will
* Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks
> on-list.
>
> If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of
> your being placed on moderation will be non-zero.
It seems we have more nattering ninnies! But a new bre
How many ways will this administration have to betray conservatism
before the nation's old-fashioned conservatives wake up and realize
that they have been had?
The obstinacy of symbolic allegiance means that the answer is probably never.
Reducing deficit spending?
Limiting the size and reach
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From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Abortion and so on
> On May 18, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >> Something is cle
At 03:38 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 18, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Something is clearly bothering you here, but unless you're willing to
state what it is, I can't see how it can be addressed in a rational
discussion.
On May 18, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Something is clearly bothering you here, but unless you're willing to
state what it is, I can't see how it can be addressed in a rational
discussion.
I've had an off-line conversation with someone who's on
- Original Message -
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:
TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today
> Something is clearly bothering you here, but unless you're willing
On May 18, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Are you
arguing that it is for society to decide who is human and who isn't,
and
then proceed accordingly?
Isn't that, rather, the thrust of *your* argument? A decision that a
fetus past a certain number of days is human, full stop, and that's all
On May 18, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A non-psychiatrist MD, furthermore, would not be able to make
judgments
based on mental health -- or so I understand -- so Dr. Nick Riviera
can't just waltz in, say "Hi everybody," and prescribe an aborti
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From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The
AmericanPoliticalLandscape Today
>Thank you for that quote. That is very close to my summary except "li
Back on 11 May 2005, Warren Ockrassa repeated a question:
... why ... was Afghanistan not democratized and stabilized
entirely?
He said:
Assuming that:
1. The US is interested in spreading the
idea/blessing/gift/[whatever] of democracy to the other nations of
the world;
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From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The
AmericanPoliticalLandscape Today
> On May 18, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > As far as I
On 5/18/05, Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The libertarian author of Citizen Cyborg analyzes the Pew report and finds
> the economic and social axis dividing the parties.
> I don't guess I can attach his libertarian diagram of the groups that
> split out neatly on the two-axis frame
On 5/18/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > >The courts have essentially decided that this is a fact. That is the
> > >foundation of Roe vs. Wade. But, I hope you can see how I'm troubled
> that
> > >the or
On May 18, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
As far as I can tell, your reading and Harry Blackmum's opinions of
this
are different:
and I quote from his opinion:
[...]
(c) For the stage subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its
interest in the potentiality of human life may, if i
The libertarian author of Citizen Cyborg analyzes the Pew report and finds
the economic and social axis dividing the parties.
The principal message of the 2005 Report "Red vs. Blue" from the Pew
Research Center for the People and the Press is that the Democratic and
Republican party blocs are
On Wed, 18 May 2005 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Leonard Matusik wrote
> ... I'm a political couch potatoe
Good to hear a new voice! But there's something here that reminds me of a
certain former vice president... ;-)
Nick
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From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The American
PoliticalLandscape Today
On 5/18/05, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 08:46 PM
One of the best reporters at the Washington Post caught an infromative panel
as leaders of Conservative and Liberal think tanks attacked both parties.
Posted for those not wanting to register.
*Almost Unnoticed, Bipartisan Budget Anxiety*
By Dana Milbank
Post
Wednesday, May 18, 2005; A04
The
As Steve said,
"The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established
a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat
technologies, and even casts of
I'm going to summarize here because in the flurry of cross quoting I
think I'd have to snip so much that I'd end up with a Burroughs style
cut-paste note once it was all done.
Dan, you seem to be of the sense that almost any excuse can be
developed for a late-term abortion; it appears that Gary
On 5/17/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> On 5/17/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> The courts have essentially de
That was a very nice post Dave. It cleared up this very confusing thread.
I think I wouldn't mind seeing it start over from a more objective viewpoint.
The real problem, as I see it, is that folks get way too excited over these
concepts; as if they really mean something. The plain truth is that,
On 5/18/05, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 08:46 PM Tuesday 5/17/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> >
> >Let me ask a very simple question which bothers me a lot about the legality
> >of third trimester abortions. If a woman finds a hospital and a physician
> >that are agreeable, is
On 5/17/05, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 08:46 PM 5/17/2005 -0500, Dan M. wrote:
> >Let me ask a very simple question which bothers me a lot about the legality
> >of third trimester abortions. If a woman finds a hospital and a physician
> >that are agreeable, is it legal to do a dilation an
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On 5/17/05, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 05:00 PM 5/17/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
> >> >>Why are the Republican who think we are going to far not heard from when
> >> >>there are debates about abortion in just about every Democratic meeting
> >> I
> >> >>attended?
> >>
> >> I'm going to
On Tue, 17 May 2005 23:41:30 -0400, JDG wrote
> ... if the standard liberal Democratic position
> is *not* to, as Dan M. put it, to "defend all abortions" - then
> surely these liberal Democrats believe that some abortions should
> not occur. And if they believe that some abortions should not
On 5/17/05, Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>
> > The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be illegal
> > some of the time. Most Democrats support the legality of all abortions,
> > even
> > for development beyond viability.
>
> Do you haave a cite for th
On May 18, 2005, at 4:59 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
You know, some bathroom time and a Playboy magazine (or a Playgirl,
depending on your personal preferences) will probably take care of
some of
that pent up frustration
Playgirl's draw is more for women, I think. Most of the men featured in
it are flac
> My left middle finger is raring to go, it needs excercise.
> Come on, where are the cry-babies when you need them? What
> happened to the posturing pudding heads? Nick, Warren, Dave,
> Ronn, Gary, surely you have something to cry about or some
> nonsense to spout? Here's your chance. You mi
On 18/05/2005, at 10:49 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
How disappointing! Julia started a whining thread just tailor-made to
draw the nonsense-spouting whiners, like flies to shit.
It sure worked. Here you are!
Hey, so am I. :( or :)
Regards, Ray.
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