At 12:40 AM Thursday 8/31/2006, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Dave Land wrote:
Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole.
JDG is an atheist.
JDG is a devout Catholic.
--
Doug
That was obviously one of those posts which sneaked in from the
Earth-3 Brin-L list . . .
On 31/08/2006, at 2:35 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
Isn't a cult a subset of religion?
Sure Charlie, just as poisons are a subset of chemicals.
Precisely - they're all toxic at a high enough
On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:40 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Dave Land wrote:
Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole.
JDG is an atheist.
JDG is a devout Catholic.
As well he should be, if that is his desire.
I meant, of course, WTG.
Dave
On Aug 31, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 2:35 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
Isn't a cult a subset of religion?
Sure Charlie, just as poisons are a subset of chemicals.
At 02:55 AM Thursday 8/31/2006, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 31, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 2:35 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
Isn't a cult a subset of religion?
Sure
Andrew Crystall wrote:
...
That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
Isn't a cult a subset of religion?
Sure Charlie, just as poisons are a subset of chemicals.
There are some clearly defined differences which one can make,
especially in terms of interacting with people
Charlie Bell wrote:
That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
Isn't a cult a subset of religion?
Yes, the same way stalinism is a subset of socialism,
child pornography is a subset of free press, and
drug trade is a subset of capitalism.
And I didn't even mention
Peace groups have run the United States Army past Isaac Bonewitz' Cult Watch
list and determined it fits all the criteria.
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Doug Pensinger wrote:
Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole.
JDG is an atheist.
JDG is a devout Catholic.
It was a typo. JDG is so religious, that he is almost a Prophet -
at least, he is the best listmember to predict the future.
Alberto Monteiro
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And I didn't even mention he-who-should-not-be-named-on-lists!
Don't worry. He dies in the next of the series.
Pat, G,,D, R
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Is there an actual definition of religious cult lurking
here? I'd say that the main difference should be how much
interaction is allowed with the outside world. A cult
would be a group where interaction with outsiders was
severely circumscribed and limited.
That group in England trying to re-enaact the Gor novels?
Damon.
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Ritu wrote:
Charlie asked:
Yep. But it is also a subset of 'society' and 'politics', and
non-religious cults do exist.
What's an example of a non-religious cult?
Personality cults in politics, then there is the Ayn rand cult, a
non-religious one if there ever was one. NATLFED has been put
PAT MATHEWS wrote:
From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there an actual definition of religious cult lurking
here? I'd say that the main difference should be how much
interaction is allowed with the outside world. A cult
would be a group where interaction with outsiders was
severely
On 8/31/06, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought it had been determined that they are teal . . .
Take your fascist determination and get out of here! It is a basic human
right for people to believe that the unicorns are whatever color they like.
I mean whatever color the
My unicorns fly. Heh-heh-heh --- prepare for the Mythical Creatues Air Force
bombing run!
Technically, of course, they're unipegasi.
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Nick Arnett wrote:
Meanwhile, red unicorns to the back of the bus
THAT'S ILLEGAL DISCRIMINATION!
Julia
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I think that religions and cults are part of the same continuum.
Consider a population of people that hold a set of religious beliefs.
The size of this population can change in two ways. The population can
increase vertically though parents raising their children to hold
those beliefs and decrease
On 31 Aug 2006, at 4:09AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 12:56 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 at 2:36, William T Goodall wrote:
What's your point? The guy was [allegedly] responsible for forcing
girls as young as 12-y.o. to marry older men, giving the girls no
choice in
On 31 Aug 2006, at 3:56AM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 at 2:36, William T Goodall wrote:
What's your point? The guy was [allegedly] responsible for forcing
girls as young as 12-y.o. to marry older men, giving the girls no
choice in the matter. Are you suggesting that under
Richard Baker wrote:
I think that religions and cults are part of the same continuum.
Consider a population of people that hold a set of religious beliefs.
The size of this population can change in two ways. The population can
increase vertically though parents raising their children to hold
David said:
It's a good model, but there is another kind of group.
As long as they avoid pogroms, there can be long lasting
small religious groups, which keep their membership by
making it very hard for their members to convert to other
beliefs. Do you want to call these established cults?
For
Andrew said:
Richard, I'd disagree about the social stress thing precisely
because
anabaptism and similar heresies are the usual result. It takes
stability
for cults to truly absorb their worshipers away from the rest of
society.
Interesting. So which conditions do you think increase the
Just a note to let fellow list members know that the Warlords of Barsoom is
now an officially registered World of Warcraft guild on the Sentinels
server. If any of you share my admiration for the science fiction and
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Okay, apparently some people on the list don't know about
scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a mentally
ill science fiction writer.
It's arguable that the independent, Freezone Scientologists are not
dangerous. However, the vast majority of Scientologists belong to
On 31 Aug 2006, at 7:27PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 at 16:40, William T Goodall wrote:
'Cult' is a derogatory term used by members of one religion to
describe another religion they particularly dislike.
Yes, I'd describe your militant atheism as a cult in many respects,
On 31 Aug 2006 at 16:40, William T Goodall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006, at 4:09AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 12:56 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 at 2:36, William T Goodall wrote:
What's your point? The guy was [allegedly] responsible for forcing
girls as young
Andrew Crystall wrote:
Okay, apparently some people on the list don't know about
scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a mentally
ill science fiction writer.
Andrew--
No, Scientotology is the belief that all is science. : )
Seriously though, you are putting the worst
D'oh! Wrong server for me!
Speakking of which, any Brinnell users on the Thunderhorn server?
Damon.
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D'oh! Wrong server for me!
Speakking of which, any Brinnell users on the Thunderhorn server?
No WoW for me, as of yet. Still playing CoH/CoV and loving it.
Anyone else playing CoX? We could form a Brin-L supergroup!
- jmh
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On 31 Aug 2006 at 15:19, David Hobby wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
Okay, apparently some people on the list don't know about
scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a mentally
ill science fiction writer.
Andrew--
No, Scientotology is the belief that all is
On 31 Aug 2006 at 19:53, William T Goodall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006, at 7:27PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 at 16:40, William T Goodall wrote:
'Cult' is a derogatory term used by members of one religion to
describe another religion they particularly dislike.
Yes, I'd
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 at 15:19, David Hobby wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
...
scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a mentally
...
No, Scientotology is the belief that all is science. : )
? Er... I think the Church of Scientology would disagree with
At 09:32 AM Thursday 8/31/2006, David Hobby wrote:
[snip for brevity]
The issue I'm mulling over is, how should the larger society
deal with these small self-isolating groups? I'd argue that
there is a moral duty to make sure that individuals would
have a path to leave them, but that
At 10:40 AM Thursday 8/31/2006, William T Goodall wrote:
'Cult' is a derogatory term used by members of one religion to
describe another religion they particularly dislike.
Only True Church :== the church I and my family belong to.
Cult :== that other church down the street.
-- Ronn! :)
On 01/09/2006, at 5:19 AM, David Hobby wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
Okay, apparently some people on the list don't know about
scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a
mentally ill science fiction writer.
Andrew--
No, Scientotology is the belief that all is science.
Probably won't be about much for a bit as I get married in 8 hours
Charlie
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On 31 Aug 2006 at 18:26, David Hobby wrote:
O.K., if it's purely a money making venture, why all
the wacky UFO doctrine? Seriously, with all that money,
L. Ron could have hired a GOOD writer, who would have
come up with something guaranteed to work better than
the Xenu volcano story! I'm
At 06:33 PM Thursday 8/31/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
Probably won't be about much for a bit as I get married in 8 hours...
Charlie
At 3 AM? Better check the news: Clark County, NV (Las Vegas)
decided recently that in order to save money they would no longer
have the county clerk's office
On 01/09/2006, at 9:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 at 18:26, David Hobby wrote:
O.K., if it's purely a money making venture, why all
the wacky UFO doctrine? Seriously, with all that money,
L. Ron could have hired a GOOD writer, who would have
come up with something guaranteed
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/31/06, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I thought it had been determined that they are
teal . . .
Correct. Of course, there are many gradations of
teal, and some would not look like what human eyes see
as teal. It's a facet of their invisibility
cloaking
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The issue I'm mulling over is, how should the larger
society
deal with these small self-isolating groups? I'd
argue that
there is a moral duty to make sure that individuals
would
have a path to leave them, but that otherwise they
should
be
Quiet for us, lively for you. enjoy time with friends, family and your
sweetie,
Dee
Probably won't be about much for a bit as I get married in 8 hours
Charlie
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On 8/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
D'oh! Wrong server for me!
Speakking of which, any Brinnell users on the Thunderhorn server?
My main character, a level 50 Dwarf Priest (Holy) is on Boulderfist, a PvP
server. But I have started a new character named from the Mars
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 01/09/2006, at 5:19 AM, David Hobby wrote:
...
Andrew--
No, Scientotology is the belief that all is science. : )
Isn't that scientism?
Charlie
Well, toto is a form of the Latin word totus,
meaning all. So that's the best I can do.
In a message dated 8/31/2006 6:39:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, toto is a form of the Latin word totus,
meaning all. So that's the best I can do.
---David
(Buries the attempted joke.)
Toto is a Scientologist?
In Kansas?
Vilyehm
(Revives dead
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 01/09/2006, at 9:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 at 18:26, David Hobby wrote:
O.K., if it's purely a money making venture, why all
the wacky UFO doctrine? Seriously, with all that money,
L. Ron could have hired a GOOD writer, who would have
come up with
On 01/09/2006, at 11:50 AM, David Hobby wrote:
Thanks, but shouldn't you being doing something else
about now? : ) Best wishes to you and Claire!
Cheers!
I'm sitting with my best man Glyn and a certain Gord Sellar, having a
coffee, and just having a last look at mail before heading off
William T Goodall wrote:
In rural India little girls are still sold to temples as sex slaves
In rural India little girls are sold as maids/bonded slaves, sex slaves
to European paedophiles [a British guy was the latest one to be
convicted]. Obviously, all Europeans are evil and must be
Alberto wrote:
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole.
JDG is an atheist.
JDG is a devout Catholic.
It was a typo. JDG is so religious, that he is almost a Prophet -
at least, he is the best listmember to predict the future.
If I
So what relevance is there here for us? Pitcairn and Henderson remind me
of the lonely outposts in outer space we read about in science fiction
novels. Is there some resource supplied to us by lonely outposts that
we could hardly live without? Would we go to war over this resource? If
we
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