'Crocodile Hunter' Steve Irwin dies

2006-09-04 Thread Gary Nunn
Naturalist, 44, killed by stingray on diving trip, Australian media report http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14663786/ There's got to be a comment somewhere that contains the word crikey, but I've got nothing ___

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/09/2006, at 5:58 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 4 Sep 2006 at 5:36, Charlie Bell wrote: On 02/09/2006, at 6:41 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe... ...apart from all the major ID spokespeople have said at various

Re: Congrats, Charlie and Claire...

2006-09-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/09/2006, at 6:28 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Just wanted to add my belated felicitations. I hope you're enjoying your honeymoon in Cyprus. Cheers dude. We're playing fight the jetlag at the mo (plus oooh it's summer here). May you have a long and exceedingly happy marriage! Ta.

Re: Religious freedom

2006-09-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/09/2006, at 4:30 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: And you know who fights them? Not your precious atheists, it's Christians and Jews. Sweeping statement. And utter bollocks. Your attitude towards atheism is hard to distinguish from Will's baiting about religion. How about you *both*

Re: Religious freedom

2006-09-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/09/2006, at 6:44 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Really. So Keith Henson is not an atheist? I'd be surprised to learn that. Yes, there's allways the odd one. But in my experience, the people opposing Scientology are in the ratio of arround 20:1 theists:atheists. Maybe because the

September 11

2006-09-04 Thread Ritu
September 11 approaches, marking the day a highly religious man launched a fight, on foreign soil, against perceived oppression by a foreign country. It was a day, and an event, that would have far-reaching effects and implications. I freely admit to a vicarious pride. And we are all set to

Re: Religious freedom

2006-09-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Sep 2006, at 3:20AM, Dan Minette wrote: We know that pedophiles like to get jobs that put them in contact with youth, like church youth workers, boy scout leaders, girl guide leaders, teachers, etc. This does not make any of these organizations inherently evil. Up until recently,

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Sep 2006, at 3:05AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 4 Sep 2006 at 2:49, William T Goodall wrote: On 4 Sep 2006, at 2:27AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: A low-end Mac Pro will cost you $2,124 compared with $3,071 for a In America. For one specific

Zombies (was Re: unholy OS wars)

2006-09-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Sep 2006, at 2:06PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 4 Sep 2006, at 3:05AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On the other hand, you're comparing the time a computer can be connected to the internet, entire unprotected, before it picks up nastyware. Which a variety of free firewalls and virus

Re: 'Crocodile Hunter' Steve Irwin dies

2006-09-04 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 01:59:56 -0400, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naturalist, 44, killed by stingray on diving trip, Australian media report http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14663786/ There's got to be a comment somewhere that contains the word crikey, but I've got nothing I think

RE: Religious freedom, but not that stupid argument

2006-09-04 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Hobby Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 11:53 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: re: Religious freedom, but not that stupid argument Dan Minette wrote: ... Again, per my last email

News: FDA approves viruses as food additive

2006-09-04 Thread Gary Nunn
I heard about this a few weeks ago, but didn't run across the article until this morning. I'm not sure how I feel about this. I guess I've read too many science fiction stories about a good virus gone bad and taking down a significant portion of humanity :-) As unlikely as the scenarios are,

Re: Religious freedom, but not that stupid argument

2006-09-04 Thread William T Goodall
(Oops, I had digital signing on when I first sent this.) On 4 Sep 2006, at 4:08PM, Dan Minette wrote: Sure it is. Sociology of religion does included discussions of belief systems, as well as behavior. In a sense, while the beliefs are non-empirical...the written and stated beliefs are

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

2006-09-04 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/3/2006 5:47:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This type of change, while certainly having negative consequences, is not a catastrophe. I'd argue that the potential for disaster from an asteroid hit is far higher than from global warming.

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-04 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 3, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: ... A much better-reasoned post, for which I think we can all be grateful. I may say some nice things about Macs below, but I am by no means trying to get you to change platforms -- or careers -- by doing so. On 3 Sep 2006 at 20:01, Dave

Re: unholy OS wars (was Re: history is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2006-09-04 Thread Richard Baker
Andrew said: Here's a hint: A base price of £1000 is more than I spend on an entire PC which is considerably more powerful than the one you linked. This seems somewhat unlikely when 2.66GHz Xeon 5150 processors cost around £470 each and the base Mac Pro configuration has two of them, as

Blows Against the Empire?

2006-09-04 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
Is this the result of trying to protect our children from themselves? For every action there is a counter-reaction? For every measure, a counter-measure? * http://www.slate.com/id/2148583/fr/rss/ Parents, brace yourselves. With those

RE: Religious freedom, but not that stupid argument

2006-09-04 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William T Goodall Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 10:52 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Religious freedom, but not that stupid argument It is not part of the necessary definition of a

Re: Religious freedom

2006-09-04 Thread maru dubshinki
On 9/4/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04/09/2006, at 6:44 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Really. So Keith Henson is not an atheist? I'd be surprised to learn that. Yes, there's allways the odd one. But in my experience, the people opposing Scientology are in the ratio of

Re: Religious freedom

2006-09-04 Thread Richard Baker
Andrew said: Plenty which can be done. But someone who is dyslexic will allways make certain personally consistant spelling errors. That is not something which can be overcome, as stated. Does your mail client support the checking of spelling? Mail.app for OS X consistently underlines in

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

2006-09-04 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:59 PM Monday 9/4/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/3/2006 5:47:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This type of change, while certainly having negative consequences, is not a catastrophe. I'd argue that the potential for disaster from an

Re: Global warming on Mars

2006-09-04 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/grin.asp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Religious freedom

2006-09-04 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Richard Baker wrote: Does your mail client support the checking of spelling? Mail.app for OS X consistently underlines in red the spelling mistakes in those of your emails to which I reply. When I use Linux KDE's kmail, it starts underlining every English word, until it reaches a point

Re: Religious freedom

2006-09-04 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 3, 2006, at 2:30 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 3 Sep 2006, at 10:09PM, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 3, 2006, at 12:18 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 3 Sep 2006, at 7:55PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in seeing William provide evidence that the Catholic Church has

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-04 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Sep 2006 at 14:06, William T Goodall wrote: But most people aren't non-technophiles like you and don't know how to protect themselves against malicious intrusions. And a computer that's part of a botnet launching DoS attacks and mailing millions of spams out through its unknowing

Re: unholy OS wars (was Re: history is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2006-09-04 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Sep 2006 at 18:43, Richard Baker wrote: Andrew said: Here's a hint: A base price of £1000 is more than I spend on an entire PC which is considerably more powerful than the one you linked. This seems somewhat unlikely when 2.66GHz Xeon 5150 processors cost around £470 each and the

Re: unholy OS wars (was Re: history is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2006-09-04 Thread Richard Baker
Andrew said: (Incidentally, the CPU's you are reference are only £320 each inc VAT from Insight). This Insight http://uk.insight.com/apps/nbs/index.php?K=xeon+5150lang=en- gbM=C=107S=1042 or some other one? Rich ___

Re: Religious freedom

2006-09-04 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Sep 2006 at 0:30, David Hobby wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: ... Your basic lack of knowledge about dyslexia is glaring. It is not something which can be overcome by an educator. It is a literal perceptile gap on the part of the dyslexic person. Andrew-- Sorry about my

Re: unholy OS wars (was Re: history is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2006-09-04 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Sep 2006 at 20:36, Richard Baker wrote: Andrew said: (Incidentally, the CPU's you are reference are only £320 each inc VAT from Insight). This Insight http://uk.insight.com/apps/nbs/index.php?K=xeon+5150lang=en- gbM=C=107S=1042 or some other one? Ah, yes, you're quite right. On

Re: unholy OS wars (was Re: history is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2006-09-04 Thread Richard Baker
Andrew said: Ah, yes, you're quite right. On a quick investigation, for some reason the external search I used gave me the *upgrade* price for an existing PC. That one isn't even remotely the same processor. It has a 533MHz front-size bus, 512KB of cache, a single core, and is based on the

RE: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

2006-09-04 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:59 PM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2) In a message dated 9/3/2006 5:47:11 P.M. Eastern Standard

Re: unholy OS wars (was Re: history is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2006-09-04 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Sep 2006 at 20:50, Richard Baker wrote: Andrew said: Ah, yes, you're quite right. On a quick investigation, for some reason the external search I used gave me the *upgrade* price for an existing PC. That one isn't even remotely the same processor. It has a 533MHz front-size

Re: Religious freedom, but not that stupid argument

2006-09-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Sep 2006, at 6:05PM, Dan Minette wrote: One of the ways that we differ is that I believe that definitions of words are set by those that use the language...while you believe that words mean what William Goodall want them to mean and that everyone else is wrong if they differ with

Re: Religious freedom

2006-09-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Sep 2006, at 8:20PM, Dave Land wrote: Prove it. Document *Centuries* of pedophilia in the Catholic church or please shut the hell up. As has been established elsewhere in this thread I don't need to. They do it now, they did it fifty years ago and absent some reason why

Word games (was Re: Religious freedom, but not that stupid argument)

2006-09-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Sep 2006, at 6:05PM, Dan Minette wrote: Just to check, I found a common source for definitions I haven't used before, and now quote it's definition of religion: Answers.com And I quote: quote re·li·gion (rĭ-lĭj'ən) n. 1a) Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers

Beautiful Star Trek quote....

2006-09-04 Thread Gary Nunn
This was listed as a Star Trek quote on a website I visited. I've never seen it before, but I love it :-) The Vulcan Neck Pinch is not half as powerful as the Vulcan Groin Kick, but it's more politically correct. ~ Star Trek quotes

Those crazy Apple people (was Re: unholy OS wars )

2006-09-04 Thread Nick Arnett
On 9/4/06, Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 5150s in the Mac Pro Hmm... the Mac Pro's processors are called 5150s, eh? Pretty funny considering what 5150 means to anyone in law enforcement, emergency medical services, etc., here in California. It is the statute for a 72-hour

RE: Congrats, Charlie and Claire...

2006-09-04 Thread Jim Sharkey
Doug Pensinger wrote: Just wanted to add my belated felicitations. I hope you're enjoying your honeymoon in Cyprus. Seconded! Enjoy! Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

RE: 'Crocodile Hunter' Steve Irwin dies

2006-09-04 Thread Jim Sharkey
Gary Nunn Naturalist, 44, killed by stingray on diving trip I thought that was pretty crazy, that among all the *really* dangerous animals he's dealt with, he got killed by a relatively harmless stingray. He'll be in heaven, grabbing angels by the wings and saying Crikey, look the wings on

Re: Religious freedom, but not that stupid argument

2006-09-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/09/2006, at 8:05 PM, Dan Minette wrote: 3) A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. Now, #4 is consistent with Tom Cruise and Scientology, but it is also consistent with you and atheism. And number 3 is also consistent with