Re: Defeat in Victory

that this administration abuses and misuses his office. Why is it such a stretch that he has done so with regard to Iraq? Especially when there are several data points that indicate that he and others were interested in invasion before 911! -- Doug

Re: Laws that should have been...

if she was trying to get back at me for something... -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Menudo [was: Cocoa additives]

? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Bitter Fruit

. Not just a mistake. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Bitter Fruit

of the world? What'll ya bet that upwards of two thirds of the people outside of the U.S. believe that oil is a motivation for the invasion. So it doesn't really matter if they really are _not_ trading blood for oil because, like it or not, that's the way its being perceived. -- Doug

Re: Bitter Fruit

if they take Cheney and Bush down with them. To bad we can't sent _them_ to Gitmo. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Defeat in Victory

become far too quiet. Pump it up, people! -- Doug Reading The Algebraist and Olympus, recently finished The Half Blood Prince and The Baroque Cycle (Stephenson trilogy) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: left-right inanities

://tinyurl.com/9fxfe Did you mean to send a Google search? Can you (or anyone else) suggest a particular site? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: An armed society ...

for verbal abuse, and the wrong tone of voice or wrong body language can spark of fight with black-belts, people learn to be scrupulously polite. While there may be some truth to this, one would hope there are other, far superior ways to encourage politeness. -- Doug

Re: Bitter Fruit

. But from my POV it's blatant and obvious. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Bitter Fruit

at Enron sometimes talked like Barnacle Bill the Sailor. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Arab-Israel 1948, 1967 1973 wars

result in losses for them, they withheld attack. The .au in his address would indicate that he's probably from somewhere in the southern hemisphere. -- Doug Scots not Scotch maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: White House Ghosts

Julia wrote: who has fond memories of the schadenfreude of a woman in her 70s on a day Falwell went on the air to plead for contributions to help cover what the IRS said he owed them Great word! Had to look it up. -- Doug A malicious satisfaction in the misfortunes of others, maru

Re: They've cloned the president

in Iraq, as we learned in Viet Nam, as indeed we demonstrated in our own revolution, ideas can be more powerful than the engines of war. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Happy Thanksgiving!

John Horn wrote: Happy Turkey Day to all our USAans! The rest of you, just move along, move along... Yes, happy Thanksgiving to everyone! -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: RIP Ed

, affectionate dogs. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Association with PNAC

/statementofprinciples.htm -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: They've cloned the president

this before. We have been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There's no connection.' He came back at me and said, Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report. -- Doug

Michael Scheuer Interview

Scheuer is ex CIA, once in cahrge of hunting down Bin Laden. This interview is actually almost a year old. I don't know if he's correct, but he definatley has an alternative POV and much of it rings true to me. http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/05/01/int05001.html -- Doug

Re: Curveball

lie. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Bitter Fruit

no funding or some such. And he can pooh-pooh them all he wants, it doesn't take away from the fact that they wrote down their agenda years before 911. Motive and Opportunity, Dan, its all there. -- Doug GCU Guilty as Charged ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Re: Bitter Fruit

was a threat. There was no other convincing reason to invade, and no one made any attempt to convince us that there were other compelling reasons to go to war. _We would not have gone to war if we had not percieved a threat._ -- Doug ___ http

Turning the Corner

of this country are finally comming around. Halle-frikin-lujah! -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Legalese Rootkit

of the greater freedom they afford (among other things.) I also would consider pirating music if these rights are compromised. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Bitter Fruit

team, but time after time that inspection team cam up empty. They threw the results of the experiment, and the more we learn, the more obvious it becomes. Sorry Dan, but you need to take off the rose colored glasses. -- Doug ___ http

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION’S PUBLIC STATEMENTS ON IRAQ

uranium from Africa. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Math Idol

of the page is a list. Click Photos, create an album and upload your picture. I just tried it out. The upload is kind of slow with my DSL connection. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: meta research

for the kind of intensity variations with wavelength seen in radio galaxies. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Bitter Fruit

. That statement was not true before the war. There was a pattern of lying about yellow cake uranium, about aluminum tubes, about connections between al Qaida and Hussein and about many other things if you care to dig deep enough. http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=248339 -- Doug

Re: meta research

and 50 K with 50 K being the most recent guess prior to it's discovery. So that if they are correct (you tell me) then it wasn't right where it was supposed to be. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: meta research

Dan wrote: http://bustard.phys.nd.edu/Phys171/lectures/cmbr.1.html Thanks, helps a bit. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: meta research

state? Can you point me in the direction of a more definitive explanation? Dumbed down if possible. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

meta research

theories. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: meta research

models before the new things are discovered. Explanations of new things are supposed to flow from the basic theory itself with at most an adjustable parameter or two, and not from add-on bits of new theory. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman

Re: meta research

cloth that it might be time to step back and entertain some new ideas. Are there serious efforts to propose and test alternative ideas or is there a tendency to look upon anyone that doesn't go with the flow as a crank? -- Doug ___ http

Re: Brin: An Internet fed mostly by amateurs is frightening

administration propaganda while ignoring or burying contradictory stories. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Depressing

David Brin wrote: Thanks Doug. Thank you for your reply - very funny. But I think his next fantasy should be maximum security prison. I think Bill Maher had it right. (Does anyone have the URL for his HBO rant about this?) Transcripts for Real Time are here: [http

Re: Brin website - Browsers, versions countries...

You wrote: If anyone visits the mirror site , especially via the DavidBrin.net redirect, please post it here or email me directly and let me know what make and version of browser you are using. Works in Firefox 1.0.4 and Opera 7.2 from XP. -- Doug

Re: Knife of Dreams

, I'm glad you enjoy it. I know that there are many others that do as well and I don't mean to rain on their parade. I'm just calling it the way I see it. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Knife of Dreams

, stretching a story that should have ended at book three or four well beyond its logical conclusion. You'll thank yourself if you read Wheel of Time and pretend that there aren't any more books in the series. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Re: Brin: Pictures of Brin

Maru wrote: Anyone know of any Free (as in software and speech) pictures for our beloved G. David Brin? I ask because the Wikipedia article is shockingly devoid of his visage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brin http://david-brin.tripod.com/ -- Doug

Re: SCOUTED: Wonkette: Jurassic Perk: Crichton's Fame Exchanged for Dignity of Senate Panel

whether the results of wrongly doing may be worse than those of doing nothing . . . Which leads to the follow up question; is dumping millions of tons of contaminates into the atmosphere wrongly doing or doing nothing? -- Doug ___ http

Re: Evacuation

whatever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order, and protecting each sect against trespass on its legal rights by others. James Madison, fourth U.S. president, and Father of the Constitution -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo

Re: Evacuation

their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of conservatism.' ~Barry Goldwater-- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Rita

Rob wrote: Being home is awesome. Glad you made it through Rob, and that everyone (and everything) is OK. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: FOUR YEARS DRUNK

Great stuff, Pat, thanks for that! Doug PAT wrote: ' Maybe we'll wake up sometime in 2007 with a whopping hangover, look around at the mess, and think, Jeezus, I'm never drinking that shit again.' From a comment on Brin’s Blog. FOUR YEARS DRUNK By Patricia (Pat) Mathews Oh, I came home

Re: FOUR YEARS DRUNK

Just to keep the record straight, Pat wrote that, not me. Doug Dave Land wrote: On Sep 22, 2005, at 9:46 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: 'Maybe we'll wake up sometime in 2007 with a whopping hangover, look around at the mess, and think, Jeezus, I'm never drinking that shit again.' This had my

Re: Evacuation

ride it out safely. I hope that these terrible storms aren't just a hint of what may come in future years. I hope... -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Katrina: Republican Political Tool (Are You Lonesome TonightEdition)

. Is there any real danger that Yellow Fever returns to New Orleans? Worse! Bush has been there four times since the hurricane!! -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Katrina: Republican Political Tool (Are YouLonesomeTonightEdition)

Ritu wrote: Ritu, who just came back from 3056 And beyond the Bush flybys, how was it? -- Doug Who's currenty considering a trip to 4034. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brave New Genetic Frontiers

it is so blatantly ridiculous. Evolution is less pablum because it explains the evidence very nicely. What was your theory again? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Is this really happening?

. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Is this really happening?

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:02:43 -0700, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:44 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Dave wrote: Living as I do in earthquake country, I can just imagine the reception that emergency management authorities will get when they try to get my fellow

Re: This is to type on?

when other people sit down to use the computer. Just about every one of them has a comment such as ugh! or oh sh*t! Good. Go use someone else's. 8^) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Bush Suspends Pay Act In Areas Hit by Storm

... -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The Doom That Came To N'Warlins - II

engaging and enlightening. -- Doug IAAMOACWIITM maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

William wrote: Most of all it needs to be banned. Banning it is the best way to ensure that it flourishes. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

is Brin- Doug Pennell I don't know who Mr. Pennell might be, but I know that that quote is attributable to former list member Eythain Lazh. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Irregulars Question: Copying Drives with Norton Ghost

help I'll ask them what the story is. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Irregulars Question: Excel suckz

ActiveCell = CellValue ActiveCell.Offset(0, -1).Activate End If ActiveCell.Offset(1, 0).Activate Loop End Sub Alberto I hate M$ and all the crap it sells Monteiro Me too, but Excel is one of the things I hate the least. -- Doug

What the Heck Is a Neocon?

that makes George W. Bush a neocon. If it's good enough for the president, it's good enough for me. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Mindless and Heartless

Robert wrote: You might want to ask a black person if they think that the southern strategy is racist. I have. And they do? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Mindless and Heartless

that's not what you mean. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Mindless and Heartless

ever seen you post. No matter how many Jews founded the Neocon movement, Neocon is not synonymous with Jew. Is Bush Jewish? Furthermore, isn't it not only possible but highly likely that the goals of the Neocons are intended to be beneficial to both Israel _and_ the U.S.? -- Doug

Sheehan: I didn't say that.

of the exposure I'm getting. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Mindless and Heartless

the historical Neocon movement and not the present administration? Can I also ask what the source of the quote you posted was? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Mindless and Heartless

, but are there many people in the world whom a democratized and pacified Middle East _wouldn't_ benefit? And would we want those people to be better off, even if they wouldn't benefit from it? Of course, but what does that have to do with anti-Semitism? -- Doug

Re: Faith

answer any of my questions, I believe in possibilities. Thus denying the possibility that some vastly superior entity might exist goes against my nature. I see progress and wonderful potential too, Doug, but that is not the same as having faith that it is the only direction we are traveling in/we

Re: Faith

Nick wrote: This has been on my mind as Cindy Sheehan seeks to confront George Bush, a meeting that seems unlikely to happen and unlikely to change his direction if it does... but I have faith that that is possible. Maybe more of the bereaved will join her... -- Doug

Re: Faith

and individuals. I don't believe that every single human will contribute to our advancement; that would be ludicrous. Rather, I believe that collectively we will continue to improve the human condition, and continue to learn and understand more about the universe we live in. -- Doug

Re: Are you in the right religion?

%) 27. Jehovah's Witness (18%) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Gulags

are able to understand our universe, the less we will need the imaginary explanations provided by religion. Indeed, outside of the U.S. and less developed nations, the need for religion seems to be waning. The degree to which the people of U.S. cling to religion baffles me. -- Doug

Re: Gulags

for human rights. IMO, if they started putting the white collar criminals in with the rest instead of in country club prisons it might provide incentive to change a few things. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: space shuttle obsolete

they choose to do it? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

On Religion

of an ancient text overrule our intellect. By the same token, however, we can’t just dump wholesale the institutions that insulate us from our incomprehension. -- Doug WHEN I have fears that I may cease to be Before my pen has glean’d my teeming brain, Before high piled books, in charact’ry

Re: It's the All-Star break...

on favorite to win the wild card spot even if they can't catch the Angels. Which of course, if you're asking me, they can... -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Constitution and Commandment

Ronn! wrote: There is a special model sold in the Utah market which plays Come, Come, Ye Saints. I guess Come Together wouldn't be appropriate. -- Doug Who Let the Dogs Out Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz)

happy with 9 of 11. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: It's the All-Star break...

much to overcome in seventy some odd games? I'm routing for Miggy and the Orioles by the way. Hey, maybe Sammy's just still in withdrawall and he'll be OK in a bit. 8^) What pitcher did is your friend marrying? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Re: Pensions

is that it _does_ work and that with relatively minor adjustments it will continue to work well. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: What do you call this?

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:36:17 -0400, Maru Dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/5/05, Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://people.freenet.de/kraskapolski/Coolest_Picture_Ever_1.jpg xponent No Idea Maru rob Big. Sunday drive? -- Doug

Re: Flushed

. soldiers -- attempted to flush the Quran down the toilet there. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/03/guantanamo.quran/index.html So they shouldn't have a problem with an independant investigation, eh? -- Doug Fat Chance maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Re: Bush was out of control!

more bushes in the yard to do something with to make it look somewhat decent . . . -- Ronn! :) Admit it. You were expecting a political post, weren't you? I read it as allegory. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: What Is Your Worldview?

optimism towards human accomplishment is immense. Mankind is condemned to be free and must accept the responsibility. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Br!n: Re: appealing to old style conservatives\a monopoly on nukes

a good start by threatening bodily harm, but otherwise the only way you're leaving the list is of your own accord. And I'm almost always listening. 8^) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Orwell quotation

Leonard wrote: Does Killer Bs Discussion have an orthodoxy? (or isn't anybody allowed to ask the question?) All is Brin. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The French Say Non!

a different word for everything! -- Doug Steve Martin maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives

On Fri, 27 May 2005 11:16:16 -0700 (PDT), David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was not even remotely comprehensible what point was intended here Nor I, but I'd be interested to find out why he thinks that anyone has a monopoly on nukes. -- Doug

Re: Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives

to me. -- Doug Who has now googled Lakoff and thinks he should probably know. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives

David Brin wrote: No, there are only two words on the table for such people. Stupid. Or Disloyal. I lean toward both. You left out greedy. There's not a whole lot of money to be made in the renewables buisiness and if it becomes at all succesful it devalues the oil industry. -- Doug

Re: Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives

David Brin wrote: --- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Moore, that dope, said this was a war for US Oil companies. Easily tested. Do YOU see any Iraqi oil flowing? Yes that may have been the aim, and it was done incompetently. Like so much else. But always consider

Re: Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives

in general. Bush is a bit like the father that thinks that by whipping his children and locking them in a closet he can get them to do what he wants. What goes around comes around. We'll be paying for the Bush administration's excesses long after he's nothing but a bad memory. -- Doug I got

Re: Just call me Grampa

On Tue, 24 May 2005 14:54:21 -0700 (PDT), Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: As of 5:25 or so this morning. My daughter gave birth to a healthy baby boy, 7 lb 4 oz., 20.5 in. Huzzah! And many happy evenings of plotting creative ways to spoil* him. *only

Re: Just call me Grampa

On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:54:50 -0500, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: As of 5:25 or so this morning. My daughter gave birth to a healthy baby boy, 7 lb 4 oz., 20.5 in. (sorry Alberto). I rushed back early from a business trip in SLC so I could hold him in my

Just call me Grampa

As of 5:25 or so this morning. My daughter gave birth to a healthy baby boy, 7 lb 4 oz., 20.5 in. (sorry Alberto). I rushed back early from a business trip in SLC so I could hold him in my arms. 8^)) -- Doug Very Proud Maru ___ http

Re: Just call me Grampa

Nick wrote: Congratulations! Is this your initial entry into the wonderful world of grandparenthood? Thank you. Yes this is my first grandchild and I'm very happy to have joined the clubb. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The American Political Landscape Today

Democrats Independents Republicans Favor 57 53 56 65 Oppose 38 42 39 31 Don't know 5 5 5 4 Well down the page here: http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm -- Doug

Re: The American Political Landscape Today

JDG wrote: And these Democrats voting against it were definitely of the liberal Democrat variety. But of course if the exceptions that the Dems wanted had been included, the law wouldn't be having trouble in court. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Re: Abortion and Liberal Democrats Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

statement better than the second because all abortions are not due to unwanted pregnancies. In fact I was just about to post sometning along those lines myself. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Abortion and Liberal Democrats Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscapeToday

coming from, you're right, but I think we all understood his point. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

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