Re: Whatcha reading? (was Re: In despair for the state of SF)

2009-07-17 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
about half-way before I gave up. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL zwil...@zwilnik.com Linux User #333216 I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it through not dying. -- Woody Allen ___ http

Re: What is wealth?

2008-12-13 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Transition. Children are a net asset in poorer countries (they can be put to work, can support you in old age, etc.). In richer economies, children are a luxury good that cost you a lot and deliver no economic return, hence you will tend to have fewer of them. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien

Re: What is wealth?

2008-12-13 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Dan M wrote: -Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Kevin B. O'Brien Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:00 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: What is wealth? The countries with high

Re: What is wealth?

2008-12-11 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
variable. The related flow variable is income. The relationship in general is that income that is not consumed constitutes an addition to wealth. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL zwil...@zwilnik.com Linux User #333216 Q. What do you get when you cross a Mafioso

Re: Wal-Mart is evil, why it must be eradicated

2008-12-01 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, even daily basis. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 People call me feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute. -- Rebecca West ___ http

Re: Single payer health care

2008-10-29 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Andrew Crystall wrote: And with something like a single payer system, the track record isn't good. Again.. *points to Holland's system* Which parts of the single payer system exhibit this bad track record you refer to? Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Health Care costs (was: the same topic all damn week)

2008-10-29 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
their complete marginalization in the political life of this country. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 I think it's about time we voted for senators with breasts. After all, we've been voting for boobs long enough. -- Claire Sargent

Re: death and taxes...

2008-10-28 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 God made an idiot for practice. Then He made a school board. -- Mark Twain ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Redistribute the wealth

2008-10-28 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
spending, and don't point out where the money comes from. The conclusion does not follow from the premise. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -- Bertrand Russell

Re: Redistribute the wealth

2008-10-28 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
are where we tend to do poorly. Which may be one of the reasons that increasing numbers of Americans want a change. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing

Re: Redistribute the wealth

2008-10-28 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
money. There is an argument that the drug companies cannot be trusted to test their own products, but even if you moved all testing to the government, it would still cost a lot of money. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Angels can fly

Re: Redistribute the wealth

2008-10-27 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
application. In case you haven't noticed, John Galt is dead. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. --Claire Wolfe

Re: death and taxes...

2008-10-27 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
attention. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 If you're going through hell, keep going. - Winston Churchill ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Racial and Gender imbalance

2008-10-24 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.-- Georges Clemenceau ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Racial and Gender imbalance

2008-10-23 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, attended Jesuit high school, played stickball, grew up in Harlem or listens to Tito Puente. But I'd give points for listening to Tito Puente, at least. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 There is much to be said in favor of modern

Latina Pols (Was Re: Racial and Gender bigotry)

2008-10-23 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
-President). In fact, back in June and July she was my number one choice for the Democratic ticket. As Arizona has term limits that prevent her from running again for Governor, she is likely going to go for McCain's Senate seat in 2010. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL

Re: Future of the list / Questions?

2008-10-22 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
that goes A university is what a college becomes when it stops caring about its students. I think a corollary should be that a web forum is what a discussion list becomes when people stop caring about the conversation. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User

Re: monotonous posting

2008-10-19 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
doubt. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 There is no royal road to geometry. -- Euclid -- Said to king Ptolemy I ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: High school student faces felony charges for writing a story about zombies

2008-10-19 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: http://groxx.com/ZeroTolerance/High_school_student_faces_felony_charges_for_writing_a_story_about_zombies-1/ Will civilization ever return to the United States? Some days I have my doubts. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-10-15 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:18 PM Tuesday 10/14/2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose. It *does* happen sometimes. I wondered if that was what

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-10-14 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 The common argument that crime is caused by poverty is a kind of slander on the poor. - H.L. Mencken ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

More on the meltdown

2008-09-27 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, but there is no too-big-to-fail talk. Instead, he makes the whole rush-to-bailout look like a very bad idea. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 It does not matter how slowly you go so long as you do not stop. -- Confucius

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-26 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
is completely incompetent. But I can understand the view that incompetent evil is better. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Waldheimer's Disease? You grow old and forget you were a Nazi. -- Jon Marans

Re: Do low-probability catastrophic risks justify the bailout?

2008-09-26 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, and that therefore the price is not a good indicator of fundamentals, but in that case there is no longer any reason to even think about this kind of policy to begin with. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 How far you can go without

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-24 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
the fine print. If you want to see how this process works in great detail read the book of the year, The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Wagner's music is better than it sounds. -- Mark Twain

Re: Meltdown

2008-09-23 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
that they had laid off the risk this way. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theater. -- Gail Godwin ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman

Re: Meltdown

2008-09-23 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
a revelation in recent days that evaluation and pricing of risk was seriously wrong throughout much of Wall St. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 The theory of quantum electrodynamics describes nature as absurd from the point of view

Some random thoughts on Wall St. and the meltdown

2008-09-23 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
for perhaps 5-7 years, followed by something even worse. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 God made an idiot for practice. Then He made a school board. -- Mark Twain ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman

Re: Welfare fraud

2008-09-19 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
(they are divided on corporate welfare) because personal welfare is against their political philosophy. Unless, of course, you are talking about farmers, who as a class are the largest personal welfare recipients in the entire world. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-06 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
nit. The battle of Manzikert was in 1071. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 I have not failed. I have discovered 1,000 things that do not work. -- Thomas Edison ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-06 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
spheres of the modern world. We may well be in an era where 100 years would now be an upper limit for empire. The British empire made it around 200 years, but the American version looks like less than 100 years. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User

Re: war on the environment...

2008-09-03 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
years. Oh, wait, I just checked my work, and I seem to have dropped a couple zeros. That should be 500 years. Sorry. Well, that certainly explains a lot. Where did you find the evidence for this opinion? Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-09-02 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
not worry about the most efficient, market-based way of letting the private sector respond. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 The average Ph.D. thesis is nothing but a transference of bones from one graveyard to another. -- J. Frank Dobie

Re: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-31 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Dan M wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin B. O'Brien Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:57 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Teaching multiple models of science The problem with teaching

Re: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-31 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
William T Goodall wrote: On 31 Aug 2008, at 19:13, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: In a class that is about how science develops, that could well make sense. I taught a class some years ago on History of Science, and that is something I tried to bring into it. But I would (and did) insist

Re: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-30 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
is the deluded one and which has the true religion. BTW, Dan, you were at the convention as I recall. Any good stories? Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Democracy means government by the uneducated, while aristocracy means government by the badly educated. -- G.K. Chesterton ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote: By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic. And I'm not even the most frequent poster! You are, however, the most monotonous and boring. -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: World Trade

2008-08-21 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
. And then you could reduce the tariff barriers you mentioned earlier, which would also have a strong positive impact on those economies. I doubt that reducing the tariff barriers before you have a strong local economy will do that much to end dependency in those countries. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien

Re: World Trade

2008-07-31 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
dishonest politicians. I think Colin Powell's Pottery Barn rule applies: If you break it, you own it. So, how many coutnries do you think we should break and own, Ronn? Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Whenever you hear a man speak of his

Re: Genesis

2008-07-28 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. - Dwight D. Eisenhower ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Genesis

2008-07-28 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: Rising energy costs will probably cause a few problems, but I don't see how Bush or Cheney for all their failings can be blamed for that particular problem. I'm thinking that causing massive instability in the major oil producing

Re: Conspiracy theories

2008-07-28 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Dan M wrote: So, as much as I consider GWB a bumbling idiot, I don't think that every mess is his fault. Theoretically I agree, but it is hard to think of any mess that he *hasn't* had his fingers in during the last 7.5 years. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL

Re: Genesis

2008-07-27 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
with it. When you add in determined opposition to any form of conservation, I think most of it is covered. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all the other alternatives. -- Abba Eban

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
for fusion, and they never seem to pan out. Fusion is 30 years away, and always will be. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Lawyers are the only persons in whom ignorance of the law is not punished. -- Jeremy Bentham

Re: Chicken and Egg

2008-07-17 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
ever met had PhDs and were teaching. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 I was never ruined but twice: Once when I lost a lawsuit, and once when I won one. -- Voltaire ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Re: Chicken and Egg

2008-07-17 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
like to claim that social scientists are soft and incapable of real science, but I instantly saw why his proposal was ridiculous. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm

Re: Chicken and Egg

2008-07-16 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
can understand that. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Si hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: USA Presidential Race

2008-06-10 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
that it won't play such a big factor this year. At least in the primaries within the Democratic Party it looks to me like pre-election polls have been generally accurate within their margins of error. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Conservatives

Peak Water

2008-05-19 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Anyone who was interested in our recent discussion about water resources may be interested in an article in Wired magazine. It is available online at http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-05/ff_peakwater. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: quality of life...

2008-05-14 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
for. And I have trouble seeing this happen while also reducing/minimizing the profit incentive. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 A university is what a college becomes when the faculty loses interest in students. -- John Ciardi

Re: Why is Big Oil is more influential in California than Texas

2008-05-13 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
to be strong motivations. Remember that the Kennedy family led the charge to prevent wind power that would affect their views around Cape Cod. NIMBY trumps liberalism quite easily, and there is no necessary correlation between being liberal and doing the right thing. Regards, -- Kevin B

Re: Ecconomists

2008-05-13 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
is the economy nearly always does worse when the Republicans occupy the White House. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.-- Georges Clemenceau

Re: Economists

2008-05-13 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: ObMADMagazine: Was the subject line supposed to be Ecch-onomists? At 01:28 PM Tuesday 5/13/2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: But the most interesting critique I can recall was by Michael Porter, who wrote a pretty well-received book called The Competitive Advantage

Re: Conservative members of Brin-L

2008-05-09 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
folks, and yet I have become very enthusiastic about Obama. The signs I have seen so far suggest to me that he is more of technocrat/wonk than an ideologue, and that may surprise some people once he is elected. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User

Re: culling the species

2008-05-05 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
civilizations out there is that they blew themselves up with nuclear weapons or something like that. Now there is an alternative possibility, they they could not escape the Malthusian trap and destroyed themselves and their environment. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL

Re: Global Warming

2008-05-02 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Kevin B. O'Brien blasphemed: Or does IAAMOAC mean that civilized behavior includes throwing other people under the wheels in order to save themselves? I don't recognize the acronym you used, WHAT??? You herectic scum

Re: Global Warming

2008-05-01 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 08:29 AM Tuesday 4/29/2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: I think that it is clear that nature will restore a balance if necessary. If we are indeed over-populated (and I suspect that is the case), the balance will be restored through the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse

Re: culling the species

2008-05-01 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 08:34 AM Tuesday 4/29/2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. -- Wernher von Braun I wonder if he said that before or after Asimov? Got

Re: culling the species

2008-04-30 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message: - From: Kevin B. O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:56:38 -0400 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: culling the species If not, why do you think that the present level of population is unsustainable

Re: Looking for the mouse

2008-04-29 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
it to other people to read. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Ninety-nine per cent of the people in the world are fools and the rest of us are in great danger of contagion. --Thornton Wilder ___ http

Re: Addressing Global Warming

2008-04-29 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
*is* the sustainable carrying capacity of the Earth? And is uncontrolled breeding by human beings really feasible as a long-term policy? The fact that you don't like the implications does not, in itself, make their argument bad. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User

Re: Global Warming

2008-04-29 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
that nature will restore a balance if necessary. If we are indeed over-populated (and I suspect that is the case), the balance will be restored through the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse, in some kind of combination. Whether Ronn will find that less offensive I cannot say. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien

Re: culling the species

2008-04-29 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
that either we rein in population size, or a lot of people die on other hideous ways. Is it a whole lot better to avoid mass executions so that we can have mass starvation, or mass plagues, or mass wars? Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Man

Re: culling the species

2008-04-29 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
. To me it seems obvious that the present level of population is higher than the environment can support sustainably in the long-term. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're

Re: _60 Minutes_ last night?

2008-04-07 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
, and starts to imagine how it can be used for their own pet projects. Mars trip vs. Bridge to Nowhere. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Why is it that when we talk to God we're said to be praying, but when God talks to us we're schizophrenic

What the heck is Maru?

2007-10-12 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
I have been reading this list for months, and I don't know what this is about. I suppose some kind of in-joke, but would someone explain it to me? Thank you, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Military justice is to justice what military music is to music

Re: magic formula

2007-09-24 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
would mean the death of Hollywood. The DMCA is one giant bit of technological hindrance. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Technology is a way of organizing the universe so that man doesn't have to experience it. -- Max Frisch

Re: Study: Cell-Phone Radiation Affects Brain Function it's Cumulative

2006-05-03 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Democracy means government by the uneducated, while aristocracy means government by the badly educated. -- G.K. Chesterton Help fight SPAM. Join CAUCE. http://www.cauce.org