I've really struggled with how to respond to your post, but I'm going to
leave my quoting to a minimum and make some general points.
At 11:04 PM 1/17/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
Further, you give very little in the way of analyis yourself. The main
arguement you seem to be making is that
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 11:04:45PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Finally, Eric, IIRC, tried putting in a 2-year time delay and there
results I obtained were changed only moderately.
Yes, I did 1, 2, 3, and 4 year delays as an extension to your
calculation. 1, 2, and 3 year delays didn't make a lot
At 10:20 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
He made _specific_ remarks about the nation being better if Strom had won
the '48 election when he ran for president as the states rights party
candidate. He ran because the Democrats had planks in their platform that
called for civil rights for
At 08:19 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
I'm not saying that Bush is a racist. He probably isn't.
How noble of you. The President of the United States is probably not a
racist.
So, does this guilty until proved innocent philosophy of yours apply
equally to Democrats or do you just not
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:15 PM
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At 08:16 PM 1/15/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'll also state for the record
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 08:16:15PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'm biased, but I would guess that even an unbiased person would be
convinced by Dan's data before they were convinced by your rhetoric.
I'll also state for the record that, while we all make mistakes, Dan's
data is usually
At 08:16 PM 1/15/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'll also state for the record that, while we all make mistakes, Dan's
data is usually pretty solid, and I can remember a few instances when he
was mistaken and owned up to it. I don't think fast-and-loose describes
his use of facts at all.
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And it's not as if the West Virginians have the
excuse
that he was running agaist Edwards, either.
hybrid grin-mace
Did I mention that my mom (my folks were living in
Louisiana at that time) slapped a bumper-sticker on
her car that read
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hybrid grin-mace
Did I mention that my mom (my folks were living in
Louisiana at that time) slapped a bumper-sticker on
her car that read
Well, I don't know what it said, but I'm willing to
guess it was some variation of Vote for the Crook!
It's
At 07:00 PM 1/16/2004 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And it's not as if the West Virginians have the
excuse
that he was running agaist Edwards, either.
hybrid grin-mace
Did I mention that my mom (my folks were living in
Louisiana at that time)
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Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:23 PM
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At 07:00 PM 1/16/2004 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED
How odd! My original message somehow was truncated!
Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And it's not as if the West Virginians have the
excuse
that he was running agaist Edwards, either.
hybrid grin-mace
Did I mention that my mom
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Well, I don't know what it said, but I'm willing to
guess it was some variation of Vote for the Crook!
It's Important which, as I recall, was popular at
the time.
Bingo! It's rather grim - or hysterically comical -
when your choice for
At 11:40 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
Because Republicans favor tax and spending policies that favor focusing
wealth in the entrepreneur class because they are the ones that give
jobs to the rest of us.
That's funny, because I seem to recall George H. W. Bush raising taxes on
the rich.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:55 PM
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--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not saying that Bush is a racist. He
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see no indication that Republicans are abandoning
Nixon's Southern
strategy. It doesn't make sense. From an economic
standpoint, lower middle
class whites belong in the Democratic camp.
Republicans can get them by
appealing to their nervousness
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course, I forgot, that I am an economist, and since economics isn't
a
science I won't be convinced by data.
Supply-side economics is like the economists version of young-earth
creationism. Keynesian Economic theories WORK, plain and simple. Voodoo
At 05:22 PM 1/15/04, The Fool wrote:
There is more wisdom and insight in 1 Brad Delong Post than any fifty of
the best JDG posts. But Brin-Lers already knew that.
Ad hominem. Ad nauseum.
-- Ronn! :)
The contents of this message © 2004 by the author. All rights
reserved. Any
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 05:22 PM 1/15/04, The Fool wrote:
There is more wisdom and insight in 1 Brad Delong Post than any fifty of
the best JDG posts. But Brin-Lers already knew that.
Ad hominem. Ad nauseum.
Hyperbole.
In a message dated 1/15/2004 12:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I guess that they are relevant if you really truly believe that Al Gore
invented the Internet,
Actually, do you really believe he claimed that? I do
believe that he was
part of the inspiration
In a message dated 1/15/2004 12:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I guess that they are relevant if you really truly believe that Al Gore
invented the Internet,
Actually, do you really believe he claimed that? I do
believe that he was
part of the inspiration
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 1/15/2004 12:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I guess that they are relevant if you really truly believe that Al
Gore
invented the Internet,
Actually, do you really believe he claimed that? I do
believe that
At 05:22 PM 1/15/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course, I forgot, that I am an economist, and since economics isn't
a
science I won't be convinced by data.
Supply-side economics is like the economists version of young-earth
creationism. Keynesian
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:40:18 -0600, Ronn!Blankenship
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 05:22 PM 1/15/04, The Fool wrote:
There is more wisdom and insight in 1 Brad Delong Post than any fifty of
the best JDG posts. But Brin-Lers already knew that.
Ad hominem. Ad nauseum.
I agree, let's try to
John wrote:
Of course, I forgot, that I am an economist, and since economics isn't a
science I won't be convinced by data. Of course, I should also point out
that you have a long history of playing fast-and-loose with economic data
on this List, doing things like ascribing economic data from
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
The Fool wrote:
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving, racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote. Republicans like Rush, and
Buchanan, routinely pander to bigoted
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry
The South of the United States no longer casts votes on racial issues,
but
does cast votes
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's race, John. Richard Nixon saw this and
developed a Southern strategy
that appealed to the racist voters who, after the
passage of Civil Rights,
were so mad at the Democrats that they were willing
to vote for a
Republican, party of Lincoln not
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's race, John. Richard Nixon saw
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry
Its certainly not as simple as saying that the South is racist and the
North
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry
Let me retry to line up the #s.
black white
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At 06:34 PM 1/11/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/10/2004 4:25:31
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:31 PM
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion
At 03:31 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
Its certainly not as simple as saying that the South is racist and the
North is not. There is a lot of racism in the North. But, the Southern
strategy of the Republican party does include ensuring that the racist
Southern vote in the South is
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, while I know of racists in Minnesota, I
cannot fathom a former
Grand Wizard of the KKK getting the clear majority
of white votes in a race
for governor. I can't fathom it in New York either.
Dan M.
West Virginia? After which he would
At 05:50 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
So, in 14 years under Republican rule, blacks lost about half a percent.
In 8 years under Democratic rule, they gained over 30%. It seems to me that
deciding that the Democrats are better for them than Republicans is
straightforward.
And these
At 06:50 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
If one were to converse with working class people in the south, I
think one would find that voting habits are not something that a lot
of thought is given to, and that justifications for ones voting record
are mostly fatuous rationalizations,
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) People in the South are much more likely to be Evangelical
Protestants
than people in the North.Republicans agree with Evangelical
Protestants
on a number of key issues, including Abortion, Legal Recognition of
Homosexuality,and the importance
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At 03:31 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
Its certainly not as simple as saying
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:48 PM
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At 06:50 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
If one were to converse with working
The Fool wrote:
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) People in the South are much more likely to be Evangelical
Protestants
than people in the North.Republicans agree with Evangelical
Protestants
on a number of key issues, including Abortion, Legal Recognition of
At 05:35 PM 1/14/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, while I know of racists in Minnesota, I
cannot fathom a former
Grand Wizard of the KKK getting the clear majority
of white votes in a race
for governor. I can't fathom it in New York
At 09:19 PM 1/14/2004, you wrote:
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:24 PM
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At 03:31 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
Its
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At 09:19 PM 1/14/2004, you wrote:
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry
He probably isn't racist. How nice of you to say that.
And the next time you
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At 05:50 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
So, in 14 years under Republican rule
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:37 PM
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At 05:50 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
So, in 14 years under Republican rule
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, while I know of racists
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not saying that Bush is a racist. He probably
isn't. I'd put money on
a straight up bet against him being an old fashioned
Texas racist. But,
Trent saying that things would have been better if
Strom had won instead of
Harry wasn't an accident.
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Evangelical Protestants also tend to be the most
bigoted, racist,
extremist religious block.
As a block, maybe.
As individuals, certainly some are not.
The person I know the best whom I'd characterize as
being an evangelical
protestant is
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Aw c'mon Kevin.
You have to recognize that there is absolutely no
way Lott did not
know of Thurmonds past. (Maybe with the exception of
his fathering a
child by his black maid).
Its a matter of public record, and that little bit
of history is
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 11:45:19PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 04:08 PM 1/10/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
Bullshit.
I wrote:
There's no need to swear.
The Fool wrote:
That's not swearing.
Uh, does *anyone* here agree with The Fool?
I am quite offended by the word sw**r, John.
In a message dated 1/10/2004 4:25:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Personally, if you want to talk about pandering, I'll talk abotu a party
that collects 90% of the vote of people of a certain race.
That's only
*possible* via pandering
Alternately, it may be the
At 06:34 PM 1/11/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/10/2004 4:25:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Personally, if you want to talk about pandering, I'll talk abotu a party
that collects 90% of the vote of people of a certain race.
That's only
The Fool wrote:
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving, racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote. Republicans like Rush, and
Buchanan, routinely pander to bigoted southerners.
How interesting.
At 01:51 AM 1/12/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote:
The Fool wrote:
The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving, racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote. Republicans like Rush, and
Buchanan, routinely pander to
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool wrote:
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving,
racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote. Republicans like Rush, and
Buchanan, routinely
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
The Fool wrote:
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving, racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote. Republicans like Rush, and
Buchanan, routinely pander to bigoted
At 02:17 PM 1/6/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004_01_04_atrios_archive.html#1073407288252422
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Imagine if I ran an ad which went something like George Bush should take
his negro lynching, anti-intellectual, pig feet eating,
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 02:17 PM 1/6/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
ttp://atrios.blogspot.com/2004_01_04_atrios_archive.html#10734072882524
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Imagine if I ran an ad which went something like George Bush should
take
his negro
At 03:02 PM 1/10/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
This country has zero-tolerance for white-on-black race based insults.
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving, racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote.
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 03:02 PM 1/10/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
This country has zero-tolerance for white-on-black race based
insults.
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving,
racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south.
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 03:02 PM 1/10/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote
On 10 Jan 2004, at 9:25 pm, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 03:02 PM 1/10/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
This country has zero-tolerance for white-on-black race based
insults.
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving,
racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south.
As promised, my ex-wife replies:
The Texas Miracle or The National Nightmare.?
snip
rob
I don't know how much was hers, if it all was. I'm not arguing against
anything written. I just want to point out that this has been going on for
years under all leadership, as the point seemed to be. I
At 04:08 PM 1/10/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
Bullshit.
I wrote:
There's no need to swear.
The Fool wrote:
That's not swearing.
Uh, does *anyone* here agree with The Fool?
JDG
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http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004_01_04_atrios_archive.html#10734072882524
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Imagine if I ran an ad which went something like George Bush should
take
his negro lynching, anti-intellectual, pig feet eating,
-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 09:47 AM
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In the ad they say: Howard Dean should take his tax-hiking,
government
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