If you think black helicopters are a-comin-a-gitcha, you
ain't seen nothin' yet: Think black flying saucers.
Which make a lot more sense for alien invaders to use than ones which
glow bright green . . .
Black is way more cool. Ever seen a pink ufo?? Hah! Thought not!
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Dan M wrote:
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Oh
Dan M said the following on 2/21/2008 12:44 AM:
Nationwide, Wal-Mart pays just under average for retail workers. Here near
Houston, it pays a bit better than average. So, exploiting the worker by
paying far less than the next guy for a worker does not seem to be the MO.
Indeed, as the
) Discussion
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Oh. For a second I thought I was going to read about the first
Supercenter on a space colony . . .
No, the robotic union has successfully blocked it.
The Robot-union dodge is completely bogus. All off-planet robotic
sites have been right
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(As an aside, it was English Gentlemen who ate the Irish Children...a bit
pedeanticbut rather important to the author's point.)
(As a further aside, think of we as the human race rather than we, the
Irish, who would be the
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I'm interpreting everything your wrote about ethics as agreement
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Dan M wrote:
Okay ... so where's the middle class gone to, then?
It's still there, but whether the middle class has noticeably
improved its
standing over the last 30 years is a argument based on subtle
interpretations of the inflation index. The subtle nature
At 01:23 AM Wednesday 2/20/2008, Dave Land wrote:
the moderators, historian Sean Worst President In History? Wilentz
Never heard of him. What was he president of, to got the title?
-- Ronn! :)
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On Feb 19, 2008 11:23 PM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As much as I want to brag about the fact that I got to attend such a
prestigious event, my main point is that Dan's complaint about the poor
quality of discourse on this list and Doug's frustration with Dan's
extraordinarily
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Despite the fact that there were some people in the room who could have
On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 01:23 AM Wednesday 2/20/2008, Dave Land wrote:
the moderators, historian Sean Worst President In History? Wilentz
Never heard of him. What was he president of, to got the title?
Sorry: To the extent that he is known, Wilentz is best
Dan,
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Dan M wrote:
Behalf Of Dave Land
Perhaps we can give each other the same gift?
You posted to state that a significant fraction of my posts are
rude because they are long.
I don't recall having said any such thing. Someone else commented that
your posts
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll let Nick decide what Nick deems appropriate. The construct you and
Nick seems to presume that we think with one mind, which we definitely
do not. I think that Nick finds me a pompous ass from time to time, and
I return
Dan M wrote:
However, since I try to be polite, I will refrain from that until I
can devote a day or two per post honing my responses down to strict,
yet unspecified, page limitations or I am told that I am allowed to
write long posts.
Passive-aggressiveness aside, I personally wouldn't want
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I could have been clearer. I will beg indulgence due
to a brain that was
in a fog last night due to too much travel and too
little sleep while way too ill.
Dave
Travel advice: Don't get an upper-respiratory
illness at 8,000 feet: it's no fun at
At 12:14 PM Wednesday 2/20/2008, Dave Land wrote:
On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 01:23 AM Wednesday 2/20/2008, Dave Land wrote:
the moderators, historian Sean Worst President In History? Wilentz
Never heard of him. What was he president of, to got the title?
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Dan M wrote:
You posted to state that a significant fraction of my posts are rude
because
they are long.
And you wonder why few people seem to want to engage you in
intelligent, polite discourse?
Seriously, Dan -- arguing in good faith, avoiding strawmanning
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On Feb 18, 2008, at 6:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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On Feb 17, 2008 8:50 PM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Oh. For a second I thought I was going to read about the first
Supercenter on a space colony . . .
-- Ronn! :)
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Oh. For a second I thought I was going to read about
On Feb 18, 2008, at 6:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But, historically, the extra money the first half has is spent on
things
that employ the second half. That is _the_ process that created an
American middle class out of dirt poor farmers who could barely feed
their
families.
Okay
On Feb 17, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Dan wrote:
1) Are you interested in a discussion on the vision of myself and
at least one other person who was an active poster that discussions
are often thwarted by pronouncements that come as if they come from
Olympus, rather than
At 07:32 PM Sunday 2/17/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
1/5 Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth Maru
The other 80% are convinced that the world revolves around them . . .
Egocentric Universe Maru
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Dan M: wrote:
3) Are you interested in discussing what I just quoted and will requote:
The third is a discussion of the case at hand: if we (as I think we do)
agree that improving the lives of the poorer among us at least _a_
worthwhile goal, has Wal-Mart done more to aid or more to harm those
I'm certainly interested in a good discussion, but I find it very
difficult to debate with you because you are a very prolific writer with
no apparent limit on the time you have to research a topic.
Believe it or not, I'm driving to Austin to be with my wife nearly every
weekend and
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Dan M wrote:
...
Would you consider this an reasonable, non right
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Dan M: wrote:
3) Are you interested in discussing what I just
Dan, I live in Africa. I lived in Zimbabwe for more than half my life.
There's no denying that Malaria is a big problem. But DDT is definitely NOT
the answer.
Other preventative measures are cheaper, and far less damaging. Wikipedia
again:
The relative effectiveness of IRS (with DDT or
On 18 Feb 2008 at 21:10, Curtis Burisch wrote:
Dan, I live in Africa. I lived in Zimbabwe for more than half my life.
There's no denying that Malaria is a big problem. But DDT is definitely NOT
the answer.
It's effective and safe when used properly.
But the key there is used properly.
On Feb 17, 2008 8:50 PM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm, those folks I showed/read this to saw the implied question fairly
straightforwardly. I didn't want to be at all rude, so I made it
implicit.
Explicitly, if I start a conversation over the first two issues, will you
be
willing
On Feb 17, 2008 8:50 PM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3) Are you interested in discussing what I just quoted and will requote:
The third is a discussion of the case at hand: if we (as I think we do)
agree that improving the lives of the poorer among us at least _a_
worthwhile goal, has
Dan M wrote:
Dan--
I read Krugman regularly, and usually agree with him.
The quote of his is at:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2005/12/paul_krugman_wa.htm
Dan--
Looks familiar. I bet I read it when it first came out.
The gist is that Wal-Mart does not create retail
On Feb 18, 2008 4:58 PM, David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Sure it does claims that evil has explanatory power?
I remember an argument with Gautam along these lines a while
back. His line was something like Terrorists are evil because
they do horrible things. Terrorists do horrible
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Dan M wrote:
Dan--
I read Krugman regularly, and usually agree with him.
The quote of his is at:
http
Nick Arnett wrote:
On Feb 18, 2008 4:58 PM, David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Sure it does claims that evil has explanatory power?
...
I'm curious why you guys are talking about evil. I don't think anybody in
this discussion has called Wal-Mart evil. I guess I'm posting this because
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Historically, new jobs have always been created for the guys that lose
their job. There is dislocation, but in the end just about everyone
benefits.
I'm not sure I buy that. I see a grave shortage of jobs in the
US. This goes way beyond the official unemployment
I am responding with the exact same message to two posts because I am
contemplating whether there is any point in replying to either. I think I
know what the answer is, but since I _know_ I am often wrong, I will ask.
I see several very linked, yet very different issues raised in the short
I am responding with the exact same message to two posts because I am
contemplating whether there is any point in replying to either. I think I
know what the answer is, but since I _know_ I am often wrong, I will ask.
I see several very linked, yet very different issues raised in the short
Dan M wrote:
...
With respect to the first question..as folks may, or may not, have noticed,
after posting here over a thousand times, my posts have dropped to near
zero. I think it is fair to say that I am strongly opinionated. I enjoy
passionate arguments about what's true, what's best,
On Feb 17, 2008 2:52 PM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am responding with the exact same message to two posts because I am
contemplating whether there is any point in replying to either. I think I
know what the answer is, but since I _know_ I am often wrong, I will ask.
There are a total
On 17 Feb 2008, at 23:35, David Hobby wrote:
...
think that I'm not the only one who's had them. But, I realize
that I'm not
posting much now because I'd rather fade away to just the
occasional post of
interest than spend time going in the same old circles.
I'd guess that the
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On Feb 17, 2008 2:52 PM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am
Dan M wrote:
...
Would you consider this an reasonable, non right wing source? Or, how about
Paul Krugmanhe has made a statement that frames the question in a way
that I think could lead to a very fruitful discussion. I'm not saying that
he and I agree on everything, but a good thread
Dan wrote:
1) Are you interested in a discussion on the vision of myself and at least
one other person who was an active poster that discussions are often
thwarted by pronouncements that come as if they come from Olympus, rather
than arguments that folks want others to discuss so the author
On 18/02/2008, at 5:00 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
What I ended
up doing on more than one occasion was to take just one portion of
your
argument and zero in on it. But this would usually be met with a
reply that
was, once again, overwhelming.
...and diversionary. It's a debating
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