On 2 Sep 2006 at 16:54, William T Goodall wrote:
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> On 1 Sep 2006, at 7:10PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
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> >
> > Aggressive atheists cannot be trusted since they believe right and
> > wrong are entirely relative and their ethics are based on no firm
> > principles except intolerance and the hatre
On 1 Sep 2006, at 7:10PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
Aggressive atheists cannot be trusted since they believe right and
wrong are entirely relative and their ethics are based on no firm
principles except intolerance and the hatred of the religious.
Straw man. I don't know who you have in mind b
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:52 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: Religious freedom
>
> Alberto wrote:
>
> > Doug Pensinger wrote:
On 1 Sep 2006 at 13:40, William T Goodall wrote:
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> On 1 Sep 2006, at 5:47AM, Ritu wrote:
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> >
> > William T Goodall wrote:
> >
> >> In rural India little girls are still sold to temples as sex slaves
> >
> > In rural India little girls are sold as maids/bonded slaves,
>
> Devadasis are well
On 1 Sep 2006, at 5:32PM, Richard Baker wrote:
Ritu said:
But since I already have been told that the British Raj isn't
taught in extensive detail in Britain, I had no such expectations.
Nothing is taught in extensive detail in Britain, alas.
Britain is moving to the American model where
Ritu said:
> But since I already have been told that the British Raj isn't
> taught in extensive detail in Britain, I had no such expectations.
Nothing is taught in extensive detail in Britain, alas.
Rich
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On 1 Sep 2006, at 3:42PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Ritu wrote:
If I'd have had any expectations of WTG knowing these details, they
would have been based on the fact that the period he was refering to
not only spanned a mere 190 years, it was also a historical
experience his country shares wit
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> > If I'd have had any expectations of WTG knowing these details, they
> > would have been based on the fact that the period he was
> refering to
> > not only spanned a mere 190 years, it was also a historical
> experience
> > his country shares with mine.
> >
> But
Ritu wrote:
>
> If I'd have had any expectations of WTG knowing these details, they
> would have been based on the fact that the period he was refering to
> not only spanned a mere 190 years, it was also a historical
> experience his country shares with mine.
>
But it doesn't mean that it was
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> > I guess you are not terribly interested in India History,
> >
> Come on, please! 1 Giga people, millions of ethnicities, 6000
> years of recorded history, some other thousand years of
> archeological history... It's _impossible_ for anyone to know
> India History. T
William T Goodall wrote:
> >> In rural India little girls are still sold to temples as sex slaves
> >
> > In rural India little girls are sold as maids/bonded slaves,
>
> Devadasis are well documented. See here for example
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/
>
Ritu wrote:
>
> I guess you are not terribly interested in India History,
>
Come on, please! 1 Giga people, millions of ethnicities, 6000
years of recorded history, some other thousand years of
archeological history... It's _impossible_ for anyone to know
India History. The better we can handle is
On 1 Sep 2006, at 5:47AM, Ritu wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
In rural India little girls are still sold to temples as sex slaves
In rural India little girls are sold as maids/bonded slaves,
Devadasis are well documented. See here for example
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_
On Aug 31, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 8/31/06, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought it had been determined that they are teal . . .
Take your fascist "determination" and get out of here! It is a basic
human right for people to believe that the unicorns are what
Alberto wrote:
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole.
JDG is an atheist.
JDG is a devout Catholic.
It was a typo. JDG is so religious, that he is almost a Prophet -
at least, he is the best listmember to predict the future.
If I could
William T Goodall wrote:
> In rural India little girls are still sold to temples as sex slaves
In rural India little girls are sold as maids/bonded slaves, sex slaves
to European paedophiles [a British guy was the latest one to be
convicted]. Obviously, all Europeans are evil and must be eradi
> David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The issue I'm mulling over is, how should the larger
> society
> deal with these small self-isolating groups? I'd
> argue that
> there is a moral duty to make sure that individuals
> would
> have a path to leave them, but that otherwise they
> should
>
> Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 8/31/06, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
> > I thought it had been determined that they are
> teal . . .
Correct. Of course, there are many gradations of
teal, and some would not look like what human eyes see
as teal. It's a facet of their "invisibility
cl
At 10:40 AM Thursday 8/31/2006, William T Goodall wrote:
'Cult' is a derogatory term used by members of one religion to
describe another religion they particularly dislike.
"Only True Church" :== the church I and my family belong to.
"Cult" :== that other church down the street.
-- Ronn! :
At 09:32 AM Thursday 8/31/2006, David Hobby wrote:
[snip for brevity]
The issue I'm mulling over is, how should the larger society
deal with these small self-isolating groups? I'd argue that
there is a moral duty to make sure that individuals would
have a path to leave them, but that otherwise
On 31 Aug 2006 at 19:53, William T Goodall wrote:
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> On 31 Aug 2006, at 7:27PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
>
> > On 31 Aug 2006 at 16:40, William T Goodall wrote:
> >
> >> 'Cult' is a derogatory term used by members of one religion to
> >> describe another religion they particularly dislike.
> >
>
; What's your point? The guy was [allegedly] responsible for forcing
> >>>> girls as young as 12-y.o. to "marry" older men, giving the girls no
> >>>> choice in the matter. Are you suggesting that under "religious
> >>>> freedom" he s
On 31 Aug 2006, at 7:27PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 31 Aug 2006 at 16:40, William T Goodall wrote:
'Cult' is a derogatory term used by members of one religion to
describe another religion they particularly dislike.
Yes, I'd describe your militant atheism as a cult in many respects,
especia
Andrew said:
Richard, I'd disagree about the "social stress" thing precisely
because
anabaptism and similar "heresies" are the usual result. It takes
stability
for cults to truly absorb their worshipers away from the rest of
society.
Interesting. So which conditions do you think increase
On 31 Aug 2006 at 10:32, David Hobby wrote:
> What I've been thinking about is the future state of world
> society (if all goes well). We could get to a place where
> there was one larger society on Earth (with LOTS of diversity
> within it). And then there would be small groups that were
Heh.
David said:
It's a good model, but there is another kind of group.
As long as they avoid pogroms, there can be long lasting
small religious groups, which keep their membership by
making it very hard for their members to convert to other
beliefs. Do you want to call these "established cults"?
Fo
Richard Baker wrote:
I think that religions and cults are part of the same continuum.
Consider a population of people that hold a set of religious beliefs.
The size of this population can change in two ways. The population can
increase "vertically" though parents raising their children to hold
th
ting that under "religious
freedom" he should have been allowed to do that? Or what?
What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion - to
I'm ecumenical in my dislike of religion.
--
William T Gooda
girls no
choice in the matter. Are you suggesting that under "religious
freedom" he should have been allowed to do that? Or what?
What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
Isn't a cult a subset of "
I think that religions and cults are part of the same continuum.
Consider a population of people that hold a set of religious beliefs.
The size of this population can change in two ways. The population can
increase "vertically" though parents raising their children to hold
those beliefs and decreas
Nick Arnett wrote:
Meanwhile, red unicorns to the back of the bus
THAT'S ILLEGAL DISCRIMINATION!
Julia
(I know I'm shouting, I like to shout)
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s Discussion"
Subject: Re: Religious freedom
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:50:47 -0700
On 8/31/06, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought it had been determined that they are teal . . .
Take your fascist "determination" and get out of here! It is a basic human
ri
On 8/31/06, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought it had been determined that they are teal . . .
Take your fascist "determination" and get out of here! It is a basic human
right for people to believe that the unicorns are whatever color they like.
I mean whatever color the
PAT MATHEWS wrote:
From: David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is there an actual definition of "religious cult" lurking
here? I'd say that the main difference should be how much
interaction is allowed with the outside world. A cult
would be a group where interaction with outsiders was
severely circ
Ritu wrote:
Charlie asked:
Yep. But it is also a subset of 'society' and 'politics', and
non-religious cults do exist.
What's an example of a non-religious cult?
Personality cults in politics, then there is the Ayn rand cult, a
non-religious one if there ever was one. NATLFED has been put on
ubject: Re: Religious freedom
On 31/08/2006, at 1:55 PM, Ritu wrote:
>
> Charlie Bell wrote:
>
>>>> What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
>>>
>>> That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
>>
>> Isn't a cult a
From: David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is there an actual definition of "religious cult" lurking
here? I'd say that the main difference should be how much
interaction is allowed with the outside world. A cult
would be a group where interaction with outsiders was
severely circumscribed and limite
From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
And I didn't even mention he-who-should-not-be-named-on-lists!
Don't worry. He dies in the next of the series.
Pat, G,,D, R
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Doug Pensinger wrote:
>
>> Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole.
>> JDG is an atheist.
>
> JDG is a devout Catholic.
>
It was a typo. JDG is so religious, that he is almost a Prophet -
at least, he is the best listmember to predict the future.
Alberto Monteiro
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Peace groups have run the United States Army past Isaac Bonewitz' Cult Watch
list and determined it fits all the criteria.
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
From: "Ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'&q
Charlie Bell wrote:
>
>> That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
>
> Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
>
Yes, the same way stalinism is a subset of "socialism",
child pornography is a subset of "free press", and
drug trade is a subset of "capitalism".
And I didn't even
Andrew Crystall wrote:
...
That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Sure Charlie, just as "poisons" are a subset of "chemicals.
There are some clearly defined differences which one can make,
especially in terms of interacting with pe
At 02:55 AM Thursday 8/31/2006, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 31, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 2:35 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Sure
On Aug 31, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 2:35 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Sure Charlie, just as "poisons" are a subset of "chemic
On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:40 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Dave Land wrote:
Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole.
JDG is an atheist.
JDG is a devout Catholic.
As well he should be, if that is his desire.
I meant, of course, WTG.
Dave
On 31/08/2006, at 2:35 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Sure Charlie, just as "poisons" are a subset of "chemicals.
Precisely - they're all toxic at a high enough
At 12:40 AM Thursday 8/31/2006, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Dave Land wrote:
Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole.
JDG is an atheist.
JDG is a devout Catholic.
--
Doug
That was obviously one of those posts which sneaked in from the
Earth-3 Brin-L list . . .
-
Charlie wrote:
What's an example of a non-religious cult?
Fanatical Macophiles? 8^)
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Dave Land wrote:
Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole.
JDG is an atheist.
JDG is a devout Catholic.
--
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On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 31/08/2006, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Sure Charlie, just as "poisons" are a subset of "chemicals.
Precisely - they're all toxic at a high enough dose... ;-)
I see your winking smiley, but y
Charlie asked:
> > Yep. But it is also a subset of 'society' and 'politics', and
> > non-religious cults do exist.
>
> What's an example of a non-religious cult?
Personality cults in politics, then there is the Ayn rand cult, a
non-religious one if there ever was one. NATLFED has been put on m
girls no
choice in the matter. Are you suggesting that under "religious
freedom" he should have been allowed to do that? Or what?
What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
That you're, again, deliberately using a cult - NOT a religion
Isn't a cult a subset of "
On 31/08/2006, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Sure Charlie, just as "poisons" are a subset of "chemicals.
Precisely - they're all toxic at a high enough dose... ;-)
I don't think the differences are as huge as you do - yes, there are
the indicato
On 31/08/2006, at 1:55 PM, Ritu wrote:
Charlie Bell wrote:
What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Yep. But it is also a subset of 'society' and
Charlie Bell wrote:
> >> What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
> >
> > That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
>
> Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Yep. But it is also a subset of 'society
s as young as 12-y.o. to "marry" older men, giving the girls no
> >>> choice in the matter. Are you suggesting that under "religious
> >>> freedom" he should have been allowed to do that? Or what?
> >>
> >> What is religious freedom if it
ting that under "religious
freedom" he should have been allowed to do that? Or what?
What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Charlie
_
ting that under "religious
freedom" he should have been allowed to do that? Or what?
What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Charlie
_
On 31 Aug 2006 at 2:36, William T Goodall wrote:
> > What's your point? The guy was [allegedly] responsible for forcing
> > girls as young as 12-y.o. to "marry" older men, giving the girls no
> > choice in the matter. Are you suggesting that under "r
t his reclusive polygamous sect back into the
public eye.
[snip for brevity]
What's your point? The guy was [allegedly] responsible for forcing
girls as young as 12-y.o. to "marry" older men, giving the girls no
choice in the matter. Are you suggesting that under "relig
c eye.
[snip for brevity]
What's your point? The guy was [allegedly] responsible for forcing
girls as young as 12-y.o. to "marry" older men, giving the girls no
choice in the matter. Are you suggesting that under "religious
freedom" he should have been allowed to
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5297990.stm
"Uncertain future for US polygamy sect
The arrest of US religious leader Warren Jeffs over alleged sex
offences has brought his reclusive polygamous sect back into the
public eye.
The 50-year-old head of the Fundamentalist Church of the
Ronn wrote:
> At 01:38 PM 10/5/03 -0500, Adam C. Lipscomb wrote:
> >
> >I had a run in with someone of Phelps' ilk in Birmingham,
>
> And you didn't at least phone and say "Hi!"?
>
> -- Ronn in Birmingham, AL :)
Well! For your information, Miss Snooty Pants, it was about 11 years
ago, when I was
At 01:38 PM 10/5/03 -0500, Adam C. Lipscomb wrote:
Tom wrote:
> Phelps is just a horrible, worthless, vile, despicable, disgusting
bigot. He
> has not read the Bible and decided homosexuality is wrong. He hates
> homosexuals and has gone spot-reading in the Bible to find sanction
for his bigotry an
Tom wrote:
> Phelps is just a horrible, worthless, vile, despicable, disgusting
bigot. He
> has not read the Bible and decided homosexuality is wrong. He hates
> homosexuals and has gone spot-reading in the Bible to find sanction
for his bigotry and
> hatred.
I had a run in with someone of Phelps'
> the monument will be no memorial. Phelps says the monument would
> be 5 to 6 feet tall and made of marble or granite. It would bear a
> bronze plaque bearing the image of Shepard and have an inscription
> reading "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of
> God's Warning: '
http://www.365gay.com/newscontent/100303phelpsMemorial.htm
"(Casper, Wyoming) Anti-gay preacher Fred Phelps has announced
intentions to erect a monument to Matthew Shepard the gay college
student brutally murdered five years ago near Laramie.
But, the monument will be no memorial. Phelps says
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