Re: brin: education

2002-10-13 Thread Doug
Erik Reuter wrote: Ummm, the US military was busy in Afghanistan? And then it was summer, unsuitable for war in Iraq. Now it is getting to be cold in Iraq. Good for soldiers wearing protection from chemical weapons. The diplomatic efforts, those we see taking place right now, could have begun

Re: brin: education

2002-10-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 07:19:14AM -0700, Doug wrote: No, but that goes for dozens of countries accross the globe, many of whose living conditions are worse than those in Iraq. Is the state/situation in Ethiopia something that you want to continue?

Re: brin: education

2002-10-13 Thread Doug
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 07:19:14AM -0700, Doug wrote: No, but that goes for dozens of countries accross the globe, many of whose living conditions are worse than those in Iraq. Is the state/situation in Ethiopia something that you want to continue?

Re: brin: education

2002-10-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 08:52:41AM -0700, Doug wrote: But what truly lawful grounds do we have for messing with Iraq? To be lawful any action would have to be sanctioned by some official body such as the UN or NATO. Iraq's government has broken numerous treaty provisions and defied UN

Re: brin: education

2002-10-13 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 12:11 13-10-2002 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: But what truly lawful grounds do we have for messing with Iraq? To be lawful any action would have to be sanctioned by some official body such as the UN or NATO. Iraq's government has broken numerous treaty provisions and defied UN

Re: brin: education

2002-10-13 Thread Doug
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 08:52:41AM -0700, Doug wrote: But what truly lawful grounds do we have for messing with Iraq? To be lawful any action would have to be sanctioned by some official body such as the UN or NATO. Iraq's government has broken numerous treaty provisions

Re: brin: education

2002-10-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 12:31:20PM -0700, Doug wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Iraq's government has broken numerous treaty provisions and defied UN resolutions. But the last time I checked no one had appointed the U.S. judge, jury and executioner. Self-appointed, by virtue of having been

RE: brin: education

2002-10-13 Thread Kevin Tarr
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 12:31:20PM -0700, Doug wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Iraq's government has broken numerous treaty provisions and defied UN resolutions. But the last time I checked no one had appointed the U.S. judge, jury and executioner. Self-appointed, by virtue of having been

Iraq Re: brin: education

2002-10-11 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:10 PM 10/10/2002 -0700 Doug wrote: Blatant, shameful, obvious... but he's got Congress sniffing his arse. What a sorry act. What really upset me though was the mushroom cloud imagery invoked the other night. The only think that is shameful is the ability of some Democrats to

Re: brin: education

2002-10-11 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- d.brin wrote: snippage There is another explanation for those poor test comparisons. Many other countries encourage rote memorization of facts. We consider that to be a gross and evil use of students' minds. In US schools, the emphasis is on process and on class discussions and

Re: brin: education

2002-10-10 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/9/2002 10:39:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please verify this got posted. Posted and read from top to bottom. There's too much dog waggin from all three parties involved involved in trying to gain or keep power. GOP Dem ABC, CBS, NBC,

RE: brin: education

2002-10-10 Thread Ritu Ko
Dr. Brin wrote: There is another explanation for those poor test comparisons. Many other countries encourage rote memorization of facts. We consider that to be a gross and evil use of students' minds. In USschools, the emphasis is on process and on class discussions and on encouraging

RE: brin: education

2002-10-10 Thread Ritu Ko
Julia Thompson wrote: But the reinforcement of this quality by the educational system probably didn't hurt. :) Oh, I agree. Besides, I'd imagine that it'd be far less frustrating. It *does* get annoying when certain values are introduced to you in glowing terms but putting them in practice

RE: brin: education

2002-10-10 Thread d.brin
Ritu said: Do Brits really have this blood-thirsty a reputation? I thought the national stereotype was 'phlegmatic, restrained and proper'. This paradox is illustrated by a statement a man in London said when the Argentinians invaded the Falklands. Have they been watching too much of our

Re: brin: education

2002-10-10 Thread Richard Baker
David said: Have they been watching too much of our telly? We're a piratical, warrior people. How do you think a tiny island dominated half the world? I really feel sorry for the poor Argies. Having an industrial revolution before anyone else helped the British to dominate the world, of

Re: brin: education

2002-10-10 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/10/2002 12:37:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Only Brits volunteered. But the Welsh had all the good songs. [I'm still trying to figure out how and where in an Uplift story we can have a Hoon chorus sing Men of Harlech, in full uniform, and

Re: brin: education

2002-10-10 Thread d.brin
This is not true. The Tornado was a joint project of Britain, Germany and Italy and is in service with all of their airforces. The RAF also fly the Tornado F.3, a fighter variant (it doesn't have any proper fighters). You may be thinking of the RAF's role in the Gulf War, in which Tornado pilots

Re: brin: education

2002-10-10 Thread Doug
d.brin wrote: On a separate matter, let me weigh in with an opinion that the present Iraq frenzy is the most blatant 'wag the dog' I have ever seen. Blatant, shameful, obvious... but he's got Congress sniffing his arse. What a sorry act. What really upset me though was the mushroom

brin: education

2002-10-09 Thread The Fool
I'd be interested in what Dr. Brin has to say about the dumbing down of education in america, how we went from the top in math and science to dead last. Classic essay: http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html Other interesting articles about the dumbing down of america:

Re: brin: education

2002-10-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: I'd be interested in what Dr. Brin has to say about the dumbing down of education in america, how we went from the top in math and science to dead last. I had observed this in about 1992, when I noticed that _all_ technical jobs that required math were taken by immigrants.

Re: brin: education

2002-10-09 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/9/2002 3:31:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd be interested in what Dr. Brin has to say about the dumbing down of education in america, how we went from the top in math and science to dead last. Giving $1000 a year to the best webpages