--- "d.brin" wrote:
<snippage> 
> There is another explanation for those poor test
> comparisons.  Many 
> other countries encourage rote memorization of
> facts.  We consider 
> that to be a gross and evil use of students' minds.
> In US schools, the 
> emphasis is on process and on class discussions and
> on encouraging 
> initiative.   Guess which approach prepares kids for
> tests better?
> Guess which  better prepares agile minds?
<snip>

"...people who believe that the difference between
Coke and Pepsi is matter worth arguing about."  -Gatto
(said in the context of an elite group that formulated
a way to transform masses of people into an
easily-controlled and -intimidated populace)

<LOL!...groan>
I actually wrote the Coca-Cola Co. back when they were
'phasing out' old Coke to be replaced with the sweeter
new Coke...  ;)

I did read a couple of Gatto's article's, and while I
think he has some good points (and I await comments
from my teacher friends), I also think that many of
the problems in school are related to home problems:
lack of parental discipline ('No means No' and trying
to be a child's "pal" instead of a parent); lack of
time to just be a kid, and invent one's own
games(instead of having such heavily-scheduled and
adult-supervised non-school hours); and lack of
parental involvement with the child at home.  All of
my friends who have children spend time daily with
their kids - playing catch in the backyard, reading
books, going to the zoo, etc. (I realize that time can
be in short supply for families where both parents
work, but I really don't think there's a substitute
for quality time.)

I know that, having no children at home, I risk being
terribly arrogant in voicing my opinions, but I do
spend time with and watch friends' kids; I also -
don't laugh too hard! - have found that what works
with kids works with horses and dogs: affection,
praise, play, allowing initiative, keeping firm and
consistent limits, correction that fits the
infraction.

As a product of both public schools (including
university) and parental instruction (frex, Mom taught
me to use a microscope before third grade), I think
that each approach has its advantages, uses and
drawbacks (Dad _still_ groans about our struggles over
calculus :P ).  I have found both memorization and
'thinking-on-the-fly' useful in daily work.

So I guess I think I got a pretty good education,
all-in-all, and I continue to learn on a weekly if not
daily basis.

Debbi
GSV Ehjookated


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