Freedom is Slavery: pre-emptively arresting protesters

2003-06-01 Thread The Fool
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/A4CE375042FC097E862 56D280072957D?OpenDocumentHeadline=Police+raid+three+buildings,+detain+oc cupants Police raid three buildings, detain occupants By Heather Ratcliffe Post-Dispatch updated: 05/16/2003 03:57 PM St. Louis police detained an

Eric Rudolph - Captured

2003-06-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
Eric Rudolph, abortion clinic bomber, suspected Atlanta Olympics bomber, appears to have been finally captured after years on the FBI most wanted list. Early reports are that he is being held in Charlotte North Carolina. Rudolph has had a $1,000,000 bounty on his head for many years. I'll post a

Re: Supreme Court further dilutes Miranda protections

2003-06-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:55 AM 5/31/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/5954295.htm Supreme Court further dilutes Miranda protections BY STEPHEN HENDERSON Knight Ridder Newspapers WASHINGTON - (KRT) - A splintered Supreme Court took another swipe at the landmark Miranda

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:33 PM 5/29/2003 -0700 d.brin wrote: He said the oversight was a lesson about unforeseen tools being used. No. The lesson is to let all passenger KEEP their pocket knives. thanks for showing this. db So, do you also agree that there was a recent lesson that teachers in school should

RE: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Horn, John
From: The Fool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking as someone who has been immersed in HIPAA for the last 2 years for my job, this article is HORRIBLE and full of inaccuracies. Whether you know it or not you now have a medical identification number. Er, no. You don't. I just received a

RE: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Jim Sharkey
Horn, John wrote: There are parts of the HIPAA rule that I don't like, but there are plenty more that I do like. Both as a member of the healthcare community and as a patient. HIPAA legislation is costing a lot of companies a great deal of money, though. Some of what we do at BCA includes

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:21 AM 5/31/2003 -0400 John D. Giorgis wrote: At 09:33 PM 5/29/2003 -0700 d.brin wrote: He said the oversight was a lesson about unforeseen tools being used. No. The lesson is to let all passenger KEEP their pocket knives. thanks for showing this. db So, do you also agree that there

Re: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 09:31:44AM -0500, Horn, John wrote: this article is HORRIBLE and full of inaccuracies. Which is what I have come to expect from most of the articles posted by Fool. I used to at least skim the articles he posted, but now I usually delete them without opening them. He

Re: Brin: Preface to _Earth_

2003-06-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 04:19 PM 5/28/2003 -0700 d.brin wrote: Instead now we see an immature, triumphalist Pax Americana, almost deliberately spitting in the eyes of everybody in sight, driving Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Beijing and Teheran into each others' arms. Not subtle. Not far-seeing. Not wise. Uhhh

Re: US Releases National Security Policy Statement

2003-06-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
From the archives. At 12:12 PM 9/23/2002 -0700 Matt Grimaldi wrote: By intervene, do you mean protect those people who are being attacked or topple the existing regime and install one that does things your way? I would support possbily sending troops to defend their villages and/or find

RE: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Horn, John
From: Jim Sharkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Horn, John wrote: There are parts of the HIPAA rule that I don't like, but there are plenty more that I do like. Both as a member of the healthcare community and as a patient. HIPAA legislation is costing a lot of companies a great deal of

Re: 'Good' Bacteria May Thwart Allergies in Toddlers

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool wrote: NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Giving soon-to-be mothers and newborns doses of good bacteria may help prevent childhood allergies up to age four,continuing research suggests.

Re: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 09:31:44AM -0500, Horn, John wrote: this article is HORRIBLE and full of inaccuracies. Which is what I have come to expect from most of the articles posted by Fool. I used to at least skim the articles he posted, but now I usually delete them

Re: Freedom is Slavery: shrubCo denies child tax credits to the poor

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/3909558.html Democrats: Lowest-earning families denied child tax credit David Firestone, New York Times Published May 30, 2003 TAXC30 WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Bush administration on Thursday defended the decision of congressional

Re: Freedom is Slavery: shrubCo denies child tax credits to the poor

2003-06-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 01:27:38PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: It's a tax cut, not a benefits increase. If you have no tax liability, you're not eligible for a tax *cut*. What can you cut off of $0? True enough. But I think the point, that apparently he made quite poorly, is that this tax

Re: Freedom is Slavery: shrubCo denies child tax credits to the poor

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 01:27:38PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: It's a tax cut, not a benefits increase. If you have no tax liability, you're not eligible for a tax *cut*. What can you cut off of $0? True enough. But I think the point, that apparently he made

Re: Freedom is Slavery: shrubCo denies child tax credits to the poor

2003-06-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 02:50:46PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: So, instead of making the tax cut package *quite* as big, increase EIC payments, if that's not being done already. (Anyone have stats regarding that?) Or increase some other benefits that these folks with little enough income

Too Smart To Be So Dumb

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/730avutr.asp (And yes, I know these folks have a bias, and it comes out in the political examples -- but the non-political ones make the point I wanted to share.) One major point is that smart != good. One thing the author never

Re: WMD

2003-06-01 Thread Robert J. Chassell
20,000 soldiers is a hell of a lot, and the US has more urgent/important things to do ... The message was that the Iraqi government had some weaponised anthrax and radio-active materials, both of which would cause a great deal of trouble if released in Washington, DC or London, England.

CC: brin-l@mccmedia.com

2003-06-01 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its easy to criticize, but what would you have done differently, other than not gone to war in the first place? That is not the question. After the war, after more troops had arrived, why did not the US dispatch some of them for several days, to

Re: WMD

2003-06-01 Thread Robert J. Chassell
At 05:58 PM 5/30/2003 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A) What could possibly be more important than finding the weapons of mass destruction that were the entire justification for the invasion in the first place? John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded Off the top of my head:

Re: teflon silliness

2003-06-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:28 PM 5/30/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: Would an Uplifted chimp be able to use tingers and tumbs to drive while reading a laptop and eating? And still have one extremity free for New York's official bird . . . Flip Remarks Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love!

Re: Br¡n: Br¡n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:41 PM 5/31/03 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: d.brin wrote: He said the oversight was a lesson about unforeseen tools being used. No. The lesson is to let all passenger KEEP their pocket knives. thanks for showing this. I don't think this is what is likely to happen. There are strong calls

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:44 PM 5/30/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: Out of curiosity, Fool, about what percentage of articles that you read (all the way through) on the web do you post to Brin-L? Another question might be: What percentage of said articles do you read all the way through before you post them to

Re: Too Smart To Be So Dumb

2003-06-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:55 PM 5/31/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/730avutr.asp (And yes, I know these folks have a bias, and it comes out in the political examples -- but the non-political ones make the point I wanted to share.) One major point is

Re: The Borg are coming!

2003-06-01 Thread Jan Coffey
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 May 2003 at 15:25, The Fool wrote: From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Opinions: http://www.newamericancentury.org/ ??? Fascist

Re: An aircar in every garage

2003-06-01 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Matt Grimaldi wrote: So I found a deal on a van that runs on natural gas. Erik Reuter wrote: So, how far do you have to drive to fill up the tank with natural gas, compared to the nearest gasoline station? Well they're not on every other corner like gasoline stations, but there's

Re: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Jim Sharkey
Erik Reuter wrote: Horn, John wrote: this article is HORRIBLE and full of inaccuracies. Which is what I have come to expect from most of the articles posted by Fool. I was afraid I was the only who'd noticed that. One of his pension articles was so full of inaccuracies and half truths I

RE: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Jim Sharkey
Horn, John wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: HIPAA legislation is costing a lot of companies a great deal of money, though. Trust me. Even for a big shop like mine, it's a momentous task. We are spending a huge amount of money on it. And it's not over yet! But, hopefully, when all is set and

Re: 'Good' Bacteria May Thwart Allergies in Toddlers

2003-06-01 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Ronn!Blankenship wrote: The Fool wrote: NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Giving soon-to-be mothers and newborns doses of good bacteria may help prevent childhood allergies up to age four,continuing research

Re: Scouted: Hormone Replacement Therapy started after age 65increasesReply-to: bob@rattlesnake.com

2003-06-01 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I did note in a later post (different thread, I think 'reactor woes'?) that it *is* possible that normal background radiation helps 'prime' immune cells to hunt for mutant cells, just as exposure to normal gut bacteria seems to help the

RE: Too Smart To Be So Dumb

2003-06-01 Thread Jim Sharkey
Julia Thompson wrote: One major point is that smart != good. This is true. I know plenty of smart people that don't seem like they *think* before speaking or acting. This quote from the article, however, is bull: We live in an age when pure intelligence is valued and honored beyond all

Re: Irony?

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:18 PM 5/31/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: At 02:55 PM 5/31/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/730avutr.asp (And yes, I know these folks have a bias, and it comes out in the political examples

Re: 'Good' Bacteria May Thwart Allergies in Toddlers

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: Thanks for prompting me to review polio info! You're welcome. It's one of my hot-button diseases, having had an uncle die of it in 1952, his 3-year-old (IIRC) son end up having to wear a leg brace all his life (and nobody will let him drive a rental car, BTW), and his

Re: WMD

2003-06-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 08:55:23PM +, Robert J. Chassell wrote: saying the US could not do both. I think the US is strong enough to have both protected Americans against a threat the US president stated he saw and restored civic order in Bagdad in a military occupation. Of course it is

Re: Fiction and the Tax Cut

2003-06-01 Thread Bemmzim
Fiction and the Tax Cut A personal anecdote. I saw my accountant on Thursday (needed an extension because I was traveling too much in March and April to see him). He is a rich guy because he provides an excellent and honest service to a clientle of people like me; physicians making

Re: Too Smart To Be So Dumb

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: One major point is that smart != good. This is true. I know plenty of smart people that don't seem like they *think* before speaking or acting. This quote from the article, however, is bull: We live in an age when pure intelligence is valued and

Defining Safety (was: Scouted: Hormone Replacement Therapy startedafter age 65...)

2003-06-01 Thread Deborah Harrell
I'm snipping various parts of this post (lots of ...s) for brevity. --- Robert J. Chassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] But I did note in a later post...that it *is* possible that normal background radiation helps 'prime' immune cells to hunt for mutant cells... ...Certainly,

Re: Too Smart To Be So Dumb

2003-06-01 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Julia Thompson wrote: One major point is that smart != good. Jim Sharkey wrote: At least that's been my observation for a long time. All I know is, when you're growing up, being smart is the biggest sin of all. Maybe there's a chicken/egg thing, where smart people start off with a

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread The Fool
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- At 10:44 PM 5/30/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: Out of curiosity, Fool, about what percentage of articles that you read (all the way through) on the web do you post to Brin-L? I thought I plonked You. 5%. --- Another question might be: What

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 06:44:20PM -0500, The Fool wrote: 5%. So, on days that you post 4 or 5 articles to Brin-L, you have actually read 80 or 100 articles? Wow, I thought you said you were not that well read. All of them. Sure not every article is as coherent and to the point as want them

Re: Too Smart To Be So Dumb

2003-06-01 Thread Jim Sharkey
Julia Thompson wrote: (Speaking of gym class, ask me sometime about the volleyball incident.) Speaking of gym class, if there's any group that is elevated far beyond its logical station, it's athletes. Jim Who does want to hear about the volleyball incident Maru :)

Re: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/31/2003 4:00:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To say that these new rules and regulation are to protect your medical privacy is bureaucratic double-speak at its worst. Let me way in from the provider side of this debate. HIPA is going to make the

Re: Supreme Court further dilutes Miranda protections

2003-06-01 Thread TomFODW
Alan Wisotsky, an attorney for Oxnard and the police officer who interrogated Martinez, said the court's ruling was a victory for persistent police work. If someone had kidnapped your child, wouldn't you want police doing everything they possibly could to get information from someone who

Re: Supreme Court further dilutes Miranda protections

2003-06-01 Thread TomFODW
Uh. I don't see how the reporter reaches this conclusion.     It seems rather obvious that someone's right to not self-incriminate is not violated if that person is never incriminated, whether by one's self or otherwise. So, in other words, as long as you are not a suspect, the police

Re: WMD just a convenient excuse for war, admits Wolfowitz

2003-06-01 Thread TomFODW
2) What is wrong with that strategy? It seems to me we are finally doing what is necessary to make the world a better place to live in, even if, especially if, you are a middle eastern Muslim. War is never the best way to solve anything. I do not believe I am mistaken when I say that I

one for Nick: networks, funding, agenda, Scaife

2003-06-01 Thread The Fool
Who's Behind the Attack on Liberal Professors? http://hnn.us/articles/1244.html Medium-ish with links. These are the guys propagating the false 'liberal media bias' that you hear unendingly from right wing ideologues. ___

Hipper on HIPAA, Re: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Kanandarqu
H.I.P.A.A. Whether you know it or not you now have a medical identification number. I just received a copy of an in-house memo from an employer concerning HIPAA Compliance. It states, Attached is a privacy notice that (name of company) is required to provide to you based upon a new health

Re: Supreme Court further dilutes Miranda protections

2003-06-01 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:55 AM 5/31/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/5954295.htm Supreme Court further dilutes Miranda protections BY STEPHEN HENDERSON Knight Ridder Newspapers WASHINGTON - (KRT) - A splintered

Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-01 Thread G. D. Akin
I thought about titling this post I hate you . . ., but then I thought about the just-passing-time conversation between Garibaldi and Sinclair on their way to B4 in Babylon Squared. Garibaldi is asking about how one fastens pants, fasten then zip or zip then fasten. Turns out both are fasten

Re: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-01 Thread Kanandarqu
Horn, John wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: HIPAA legislation is costing a lot of companies a great deal of money, though. Trust me. Even for a big shop like mine, it's a momentous task. We are spending a huge amount of money on it. And it's not over yet! But, hopefully, when all is set and

Re: Too Smart To Be So Dumb

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: (Speaking of gym class, ask me sometime about the volleyball incident.) Speaking of gym class, if there's any group that is elevated far beyond its logical station, it's athletes. Jim Who does want to hear about the volleyball incident Maru

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
G. D. Akin wrote: I understand Sinclair is not in season 2. This saddens me. I know from 30 years military experience I would have enjoyed a few more commanders like him. PLEASE DON'T tell me what his fate is. I know he is not gone from the series as Babylon Squared reveals and there is

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- At 10:44 PM 5/30/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: Out of curiosity, Fool, about what percentage of articles that you read (all the way through) on the web do you post to Brin-L? I thought I plonked You. 5%. How much time do

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:40 PM 5/31/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Julia who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually Boinking, on the other hand, is apparently a different matter . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:47 PM 5/31/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:40 PM 5/31/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Julia who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually Boinking, on the other hand, is apparently a different matter . . . Talking about specific instances

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-01 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 12:07 PM 6/1/2003 +0900, you wrote: snip I hate you George A All I can say is, I think you are on the wrong end of the Babylon 5/SG1 trade, unless your friend really wanted B5 more. B5 is almost the perfect series. I can think of one episode I hated. I'm sure there were others I didn't

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-01 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 10:38 PM 5/31/2003 -0500, you wrote: G. D. Akin wrote: I understand Sinclair is not in season 2. This saddens me. I know from 30 years military experience I would have enjoyed a few more commanders like him. PLEASE DON'T tell me what his fate is. I know he is not gone from the series

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread Jim Sharkey
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually Boinking, on the other hand, is apparently a different matter . . . We do seem to know a bit more about each others' sex lives than one might expect, don't we? :) Jim

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread Jim Sharkey
Julia Thompson wrote: How much time do you spend reading articles? Julia who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually What is plonking, anyway? Is this some bit of Internet lingo I just happened to miss? Jim ___ Join Excite! -

Re: An aircar in every garage

2003-06-01 Thread Kevin Tarr
Well they're not on every other corner like gasoline stations, but there's about 50 or so refueling stations in the LA/Orange County area, so it's not that terrible an inconvenience. Another caveat is that the compressed air tanks don't hold as many gasoline gallon equivalents (gge) as would be

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-01 Thread Bryon Daly
From: G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The possible I hate you . . . post title comes from the realization that all of you on this list told me I would grow into B5 after watching the series mature. I just finished the last episode and . . . you were RIGHT! Woot! Glad you like it! Now I hate you

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread Bryon Daly
Jim Sharkey writes: Julia Thompson wrote: How much time do you spend reading articles? Julia who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually What is plonking, anyway? Is this some bit of Internet lingo I just happened to miss? I seem to have missed it, too. Anyone care to clue us in?

Taxes anyone (L3?)

2003-06-01 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 03:48 PM 5/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 02:50:46PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: So, instead of making the tax cut package *quite* as big, increase EIC payments, if that's not being done already. (Anyone have stats regarding that?) Or increase some other benefits that

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-01 Thread Jan Coffey
--- G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Garibaldi is asking about how one fastens pants, fasten then zip or zip then fasten. Turns out both are fasten first kind of guys; makes me feel good, so am I. If you zip first then fasten, sometimes you got to do a bit of re-zipping. Still do it that

Farscape ending (was; Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .)

2003-06-01 Thread Ticia
Jan Coffey wrote: Has anyone considered why the ending of the series was the way it was? I think that they hope to bring it back eventually and know they might not get the same actors back. For Criton and Sung that would end the show, unless Their DNA is mixed...or something... Thoughts? It's

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-01 Thread Richard Baker
George said: I'm really impressed by the way the threads interweave dovetail in Chrysalis. Events are poised for things to burst out in season 2. This is probably the most coherent, intriguing, and ripe with anticipation season ending cliffhanger of any of the most popular SF series.

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-01 Thread G. D. Akin
Richard Baker said after George said: I'm really impressed by the way the threads interweave dovetail in Chrysalis. Events are poised for things to burst out in season 2. This is probably the most coherent, intriguing, and ripe with anticipation season ending cliffhanger of any of the

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-01 Thread William T Goodall
On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 06:49 am, Bryon Daly wrote: Jim Sharkey writes: Julia Thompson wrote: How much time do you spend reading articles? Julia who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually What is plonking, anyway? Is this some bit of Internet lingo I just happened to miss? I seem