On 12/04/2006, at 1:31 AM, Dave Land wrote:
One view -- a minority view in Christianity -- is that the Bible
is a human product, not a divine one.
Or that it is a divine one but with the errors inherent in human
transcription, which is a similar but distinct position to the one
that
On 12/04/2006, at 1:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
I have discussed religion with a
number of Lutherans other than Nick (mainly Germanic Europeans,
either in Cyprus or in Australia), and all bar one of those still
practicing that I have met in the flesh (so 6 or 7) are biblical
literalists.
Are
On 12/04/2006, at 4:18 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
If one is Christian, then the Incarnate Word of God (Jesus) has the
greatest
authority.
Precisely what I was taught.
I never met someone who was really a literalist
concerning the whole of scriptures.they just don't count their
On 12/04/2006, at 7:45 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
I was saying that social, political and economic conditions in the
Middle
East have created an environment favorable to recruiting
terrorists by
demagogues. My point was to argue against focusing on religion as
the
reason there are
Dan Minette wrote:
One thing that struck methe fundamental reason for the last big European
war was simply elbow room.
Generally the term used is lebensraum, or living room, which is a
German word. It was not the reason for the war, but it was a large part
of Germany's policy
After a FR [long story...], I am trying to install Fedora Core 4
in my home computer. So far, no problem that I could not solve
or see a chance to solve, except this:
mkswap file1
returns error
file1: Permission denied
Does anyone know what the hell is going on? mkswap worked with
every
On 4/11/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then what is it? Many Christians or theists have this idea of the
Bible's teachings as a moral guide, but much of the moral precept
they take from it (or imagine that's in there) is simply what they
want to take from it. There are good people
* 1961, Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first man to fly in
space, orbiting the earth once before making a safe landing
* 1981, the space shuttle Columbia blasted off from Cape Canaveral
on its first test flight
* 1985, Sen. Jake Garn of Utah became the first senator to fly in
space
As Steve said,
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established
a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat
technologies, and even casts of
On 11 Apr 2006 at 15:31, Dave Land wrote:
On Apr 11, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 11/04/2006, at 6:33 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
He also seems to fail to recognize the difference between
irrational and
non-rational beliefs. And this statement, Religious moderation
is
At 04:35 PM Tuesday 4/11/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 12/04/2006, at 12:33 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Faith in a deity/deities/force/whatever is one thing. It's highly
personal. But faith in a book is something else, and that's where the
argument starts - if the book says one thing, but a
On 11 Apr 2006 at 7:22, The Fool wrote:
If you ingore some minor gibberish about buddism:
www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060403_sam_harris_interview
I find your faith in atheism is touching. I wonder why you need so
strongly not to believe. As I said to a communist friend of mine the
other
On 12/04/2006, at 8:59 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
One answer is that if there really is a God, you could try asking
Him what He wants you to do . . .
Sure. Like I say, it's highly personal.
Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be RTF¹M . . .
Now there's a good shortcut
At 01:49 PM Wednesday 4/12/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 12/04/2006, at 8:59 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
One answer is that if there really is a God, you could try asking
Him what He wants you to do . . .
Sure. Like I say, it's highly personal.
Of course, it's possible that the answer you
On 12/04/2006, at 7:09 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
In Lutheranism and most of Protestantism, Christianity isn't about
doing
good in order to get into heaven, even though that's often how it
comes
across.
That I know - I was raised C of E, and was heavily involved in
Christian fellowship
The Fool wrote:
I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense.
Humans are fundamentelly evil creatures who deserve to die.
You must be great fun at parties.
Jim
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On 12/04/2006, at 10:17 PM, Jim Sharkey wrote:
The Fool wrote:
I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense.
Humans are fundamentelly evil creatures who deserve to die.
You must be great fun at parties.
*snort* Lucky I wasn't drinking just then. :D
Charlie
On 12/04/2006, at 10:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be
RTF¹M . . .
Now there's a good shortcut to atheism. :-)
Not necessarily, if as some have suggested the Bible is a record of
God's dealings with other humans. Then it might
From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 11 Apr 2006 at 7:22, The Fool wrote:
If you ingore some minor gibberish about buddism:
www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060403_sam_harris_interview
I find your faith in atheism is touching. I wonder why you need so
strongly not to believe.
At 02:20 PM Wednesday 4/12/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 12/04/2006, at 10:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be
RTF¹M . . .
Now there's a good shortcut to atheism. :-)
Not necessarily, if as some have suggested the Bible is a record of
Sure. But, I guess you're just as likely to find that smiting and
stoning is recommended as a solution as kiss-and-make-up is...
That's when it is advisable to request further light and knowledge
in the form of another hint . . .
Lord, what sort of rock should I lob at his head?
;)
From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12/04/2006, at 10:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be
RTF¹M . . .
Now there's a good shortcut to atheism. :-)
Not necessarily, if as some have suggested the Bible is a record of
God's dealings
Is it working, or is there just no one else there?
At 12:59 PM Wednesday 4/12/2006, William T Goodall wrote:
As Steve said,
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next
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Behalf Of Charlie Bell
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:43 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Great Sam Harris Interview
Really? What was the Inquistion all about then?
There was a lot of
And you thought it was just for the kiddies?
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But, they were not fundamentalists. The two great doctors of the
church
(Agustine and Aquinis) did not emphasize a literal interpretation of
scripture. The authority of the Church was the keys of the kingdom
being
passed on from Peter to his successors,
On 4/12/06, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense.
Seriously? And what do you do with Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem?
Nick
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On 4/12/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was a lot of payback of collaborators with the Moors,
No, no. It was the Moops!
Fundamentalism found it's foundation in the Reformation. Luther, Calvin,
et. al. needed to find an authority apart from the Catholic church. It was
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:12 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Great Sam Harris Interview
The most disastrous consequences must follow upon our believing that
anything
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On 4/12/06, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense.
Seriously? And what do you do with Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem?
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Does it effect the underlying math the all physics is
On Apr 12, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 12/04/2006, at 10:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be
RTF¹M . . .
Now there's a good shortcut to atheism. :-)
Not necessarily, if as some have suggested the Bible is a record
of
I don't think it's good to mention sola scriptura and leave out Luther's
other two -- sola fide and sola gratia. It wasn't just scripture, but
faith and grace as well.
I was thinking in terms of teaching authority...Church teachings were not to
be used.
As an aside, would you agree with
Jim Sharkey wrote:
The Fool wrote:
I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense.
Humans are fundamentelly evil creatures who deserve to die.
You must be great fun at parties.
Jim
That assumes he goes to parties. He might not.
Julia
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:55 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Great Sam Harris Interview
That assumes he goes to parties. He might not.
From what I understand, he
The Fool said:
Does it effect the underlying math the all physics is based around?
Yes, it does. It applies to any mathematical system that includes
ordinary arithmetic.
Rich
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The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe only in the purity of math. Everything
else is nonsense.
Humans are fundamentally evil creatures who deserve
to die.
My cats and horses would disagree with those
statements:
Mice, voles, birds and deer (yes, deer!) are not
nonsense.
Grass and
The Fool wrote:
From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 11 Apr 2006 at 7:22, The Fool wrote:
If you ingore some minor gibberish about buddism:
www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060403_sam_harris_interview
I find your faith in atheism is touching. I wonder why you need so
strongly not to
On 4/12/06 4:04 PM, Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I read about this a couple of weeks ago and started to drink more of the
stuff. Like I need more excuses for chocolate consumption.
Although I do add more protein powder to it for extra kick. I am training
for a 25K the middle of
On 13/04/2006, at 1:24 AM, Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
Matthew
If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.
And if you cycle 60 miles a day for 6 months, you can have trouble
eating enough...
Charlie
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On Apr 12, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 13/04/2006, at 1:24 AM, Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
Matthew
If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.
And if you cycle 60 miles a day for 6 months, you can have trouble
eating enough...
And if you jump off a cliff, you
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Nick Arnett wrote:
On 4/12/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was a lot of payback of collaborators with the Moors,
No, no. It was the Moops!
Considering my primary meaning of MOOP, matter out of place, that's
interesting.
Julia
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