Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/04/2006, at 7:45 AM, Dan Minette wrote: I was saying that social, political and economic conditions in the Middle East have created an environment favorable to recruiting terrorists by demagogues. My point was to argue against focusing on religion as the reason there are terrorist

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Max Battcher
Dan Minette wrote: One thing that struck methe fundamental reason for the last big European war was simply "elbow room." Generally the term used is lebensraum, or "living room", which is a German word. It was not the reason for the war, but it was a large part of Germany's policy towar

Linux suckz

2006-04-12 Thread Alberto Monteiro
After a F&R [long story...], I am trying to install Fedora Core 4 in my home computer. So far, no problem that I could not solve or see a chance to solve, except this: mkswap file1 returns error file1: Permission denied Does anyone know what the hell is going on? mkswap worked with every o

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Nick Arnett
On 4/11/06, Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Then what is it? Many Christians or theists have this idea of the > Bible's teachings as a moral guide, but much of the moral precept > they take from it (or imagine that's in there) is simply what they > want to take from it. There are good

On this day in . . .

2006-04-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
* 1961, Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first man to fly in space, orbiting the earth once before making a safe landing * 1981, the space shuttle Columbia blasted off from Cape Canaveral on its first test flight * 1985, Sen. Jake Garn of Utah became the first senator to fly in space as

Weekly Chat Reminder

2006-04-12 Thread William T Goodall
As Steve said, "The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 11 Apr 2006 at 15:31, Dave Land wrote: > On Apr 11, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: > > > On 11/04/2006, at 6:33 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: > > > >> He also seems to fail to recognize the difference between > >> irrational and > >> non-rational beliefs. And this statement, " Religious mod

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:35 PM Tuesday 4/11/2006, Charlie Bell wrote: On 12/04/2006, at 12:33 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Faith in a deity/deities/force/whatever is one thing. It's highly personal. But faith in a book is something else, and that's where the argument starts - if the book says one thing, but a fol

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 11 Apr 2006 at 7:22, The Fool wrote: > If you ingore some minor gibberish about buddism: > > <> I find your faith in atheism is touching. I wonder why you need so strongly not to believe. As I said to a communist friend of mine the other day, he takes his Marx a lot more seriously than I ta

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/04/2006, at 8:59 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: One answer is that if there really is a God, you could try asking Him what He wants you to do . . . Sure. Like I say, it's highly personal. Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be "RTF¹M" . . . Now there's a good shortcu

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 01:49 PM Wednesday 4/12/2006, Charlie Bell wrote: On 12/04/2006, at 8:59 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: One answer is that if there really is a God, you could try asking Him what He wants you to do . . . Sure. Like I say, it's highly personal. Of course, it's possible that the answer you

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/04/2006, at 7:09 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: In Lutheranism and most of Protestantism, Christianity isn't about doing good in order to get into heaven, even though that's often how it comes across. That I know - I was raised C of E, and was heavily involved in Christian fellowship thr

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Jim Sharkey
The Fool wrote: >I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense. > >Humans are fundamentelly evil creatures who deserve to die. You must be great fun at parties. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized por

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/04/2006, at 10:17 PM, Jim Sharkey wrote: The Fool wrote: I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense. Humans are fundamentelly evil creatures who deserve to die. You must be great fun at parties. *snort* Lucky I wasn't drinking just then. :D Charlie _

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/04/2006, at 10:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be "RTF¹M" . . . Now there's a good shortcut to atheism. :-) Not necessarily, if as some have suggested the Bible is a record of God's dealings with other humans. Then it might gi

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread The Fool
> From: Andrew Crystall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 11 Apr 2006 at 7:22, The Fool wrote: > > > If you ingore some minor gibberish about buddism: > > > > <> > > I find your faith in atheism is touching. I wonder why you need so > strongly not to believe. As I said to a communist friend of mine t

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:20 PM Wednesday 4/12/2006, Charlie Bell wrote: On 12/04/2006, at 10:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be "RTF¹M" . . . Now there's a good shortcut to atheism. :-) Not necessarily, if as some have suggested the Bible is a record of G

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Charlie Bell
Sure. But, I guess you're just as likely to find that smiting and stoning is recommended as a solution as kiss-and-make-up is... That's when it is advisable to request further light and knowledge in the form of another hint . . . "Lord, what sort of rock should I lob at his head?" ;) Char

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread The Fool
From: Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 12/04/2006, at 10:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: >>> >>> Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be >>> "RTF¹M" . . . >> >> Now there's a good shortcut to atheism. :-) > > > Not necessarily, if as some have suggested the Bible is a record o

Re: Weekly Chat Reminder

2006-04-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
Is it working, or is there just no one else there? At 12:59 PM Wednesday 4/12/2006, William T Goodall wrote: As Steve said, "The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next

RE: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Dan Minette
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Charlie Bell > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:43 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Great Sam Harris Interview > > > > Really? What was the Inquistion all about then? There was a lot

Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-12 Thread Deborah Harrell
And you thought it was just for the kiddies? http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524370?sssdmh=dm1.188252&src=top10 (Abstract) Feb. 27, 2006 — Chocolate milk is an effective postexercise drink that improves recovery, according to the results of a small, randomized trial reported in the February

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread The Fool
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > But, they were not fundamentalists. The two great doctors of the church > (Agustine and Aquinis) did not emphasize a literal interpretation of > scripture. The authority of the Church was the keys of the kingdom being > passed on from Peter to his succ

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Nick Arnett
On 4/12/06, The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense. Seriously? And what do you do with Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem? Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Nick Arnett
On 4/12/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There was a lot of payback of collaborators with the Moors, No, no. It was the Moops! > > Fundamentalism found it's foundation in the Reformation. Luther, Calvin, > et. al. needed to find an authority apart from the Catholic church. It w

RE: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Dan Minette
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of The Fool > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:12 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Great Sam Harris Interview > > "The most disastrous consequences must follow upon our believing that > anyt

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread The Fool
-- From: Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 4/12/06, The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense. Seriously? And what do you do with Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem? - Does it effect the underlying math the all physic

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Dave Land
On Apr 12, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 12/04/2006, at 10:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Of course, it's possible that the answer you get will be "RTF¹M" . . . Now there's a good shortcut to atheism. :-) Not necessarily, if as some have suggested the Bible is a record of G

RE: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Dan Minette
> I don't think it's good to mention "sola scriptura" and leave out Luther's > other two -- "sola fide" and "sola gratia." It wasn't just scripture, but > faith and grace as well. I was thinking in terms of teaching authority...Church teachings were not to be used. As an aside, would you agre

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: The Fool wrote: I believe only in the purity of math. Everything else is nonsense. Humans are fundamentelly evil creatures who deserve to die. You must be great fun at parties. Jim That assumes he goes to parties. He might not. Julia _

RE: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Dan Minette
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Julia Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:55 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Great Sam Harris Interview > > That assumes he goes to parties. He might not. >From what I understa

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Richard Baker
The Fool said: Does it effect the underlying math the all physics is based around? Yes, it does. It applies to any mathematical system that includes ordinary arithmetic. Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Deborah Harrell
>The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe only in the purity of math. Everything > else is nonsense. > Humans are fundamentally evil creatures who deserve > to die. My cats and horses would disagree with those statements: Mice, voles, birds and deer (yes, deer!) are not nonsense. Grass

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Robert Seeberger
The Fool wrote: >> From: Andrew Crystall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> On 11 Apr 2006 at 7:22, The Fool wrote: >> >>> If you ingore some minor gibberish about buddism: >>> >>> <> >> >> I find your faith in atheism is touching. I wonder why you need so >> strongly not to believe. As I said to a communis

Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-12 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
On 4/12/06 4:04 PM, "Deborah Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I read about this a couple of weeks ago and started to drink more of the stuff. Like I need more excuses for chocolate consumption. Although I do add more protein powder to it for extra kick. I am training for a 25K the middle of

Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/04/2006, at 1:24 AM, Matthew and Julie Bos wrote: Matthew If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want. And if you cycle 60 miles a day for 6 months, you can have trouble eating enough... Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mail

Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-12 Thread Dave Land
On Apr 12, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 13/04/2006, at 1:24 AM, Matthew and Julie Bos wrote: Matthew If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want. And if you cycle 60 miles a day for 6 months, you can have trouble eating enough... And if you jump off a cliff, you w

Kevin Lenagh Uplift T-shirts

2006-04-12 Thread Steve Sloan
I got an email from Kevin Lenagh of _Contacting Aliens_ fame today. He's colorized a couple of his Uplift illustrations, and put them onto mugs and T-shirts using the CafePress.com service. You can find his store here: http://www.cafepress.com/laf_cafes

Re: Great Sam Harris Interview

2006-04-12 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Arnett wrote: On 4/12/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There was a lot of payback of collaborators with the Moors, No, no. It was the Moops! Considering my primary meaning of MOOP, "matter out of place", that's interesting. Julia __

Re: Linux suckz

2006-04-12 Thread maru dubshinki
On 4/12/06, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After a F&R [long story...], I am trying to install Fedora Core 4 > in my home computer. So far, no problem that I could not solve > or see a chance to solve, except this: > > mkswap file1 > > returns error > > file1: Permission denied >

Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/04/2006, at 2:17 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Apr 12, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 13/04/2006, at 1:24 AM, Matthew and Julie Bos wrote: Matthew If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want. And if you cycle 60 miles a day for 6 months, you can have trouble eating