Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that's because the policy of the rest of the world was to support the reign of terror of Saddam Hussein ad infinitum Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have covered this ground earlier, before the

What happened to the right to have an opinion?

2006-11-27 Thread Nick Arnett
I'm part of a group called Gold Star Families Speak Out. All of us lost relatives in Iraq or Afghanistan. We support each other, speak at public events and such. We are opposed to the war in Iraq and have called for our troops to be brought home. Two of our members are being forced to

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 11/26/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If need be, I can make a general case that our decision making process is better informed when we do study pact actions and results in such a manner than when we don't. Indeed, arguing against such a case would reject a great deal of how we

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 11/27/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the deaths currently occuring in Iraq. Cite, please. I don't recall anybody making any such argument. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198

RE: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jdiebremse Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:34 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that's

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Doug
JDG wrote: Ritu, it seems that you, Nick, and even Dan missed the point here. The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the deaths currently occurring in Iraq. While this was a reasonable proposition when the deaths in Iraq were occurring largely as a result of US

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 27 Nov 2006 at 8:45, Doug wrote: The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in Iraq. Why did they want to prolong the violence? Because of

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Doug
Andrew wrote: I wrote: The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in Iraq. Why did they want to prolong the violence? Because of the

Re: Library book sales - huzzah!

2006-11-27 Thread Deborah Harrell
maru dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/22/06, Deborah Harrell wrote: maru dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/20/06, Deborah Harrell wrote: snippage ...Also found: _Consider Philebas_ (?sp?)... I wonder if Consider Philebas is where Banks got his Consider Phlebas

Re: Library book sales - huzzah!

2006-11-27 Thread Doug
Deborah wrote: Oh dear, yet _more_ literary background required before I can read Banks? Not having read any of the 'Culture' story yet, your quote certainly seems a likely reference. sigh I shall have to get cracking, it appears... No, no, no, just read the book. It's a great read, my

Re: Library book sales - huzzah!

2006-11-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Doug wrote: Deborah wrote: Oh dear, yet _more_ literary background required before I can read Banks? Not having read any of the 'Culture' story yet, your quote certainly seems a likely reference. sigh I shall have to get cracking, it appears... No, no, no, just read the book. It's a

Re: Library book sales - huzzah!

2006-11-27 Thread Deborah Harrell
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug wrote: Deborah wrote: Oh dear, yet _more_ literary background required before I can read Banks? Not having read any of the 'Culture' story yet, your quote certainly seems a likely reference. sigh I shall have to get cracking, it

Re: What happened to the right to have an opinion?

2006-11-27 Thread Deborah Harrell
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm part of a group called Gold Star Families Speak Out. All of us lost relatives in Iraq or Afghanistan.snip Two of our members are being forced to withdraw from the group by their employers. snip This seems utterly wrong to me. Since when

When you're having security problems, who do you call?

2006-11-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
Apparently, you call Iran: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20061127/D8LLLIEO1.html Don't really know what to make of it all at this point. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web

Re: Library book sales - huzzah!

2006-11-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug wrote: Deborah wrote: Oh dear, yet _more_ literary background required before I can read Banks? Not having read any of the 'Culture' story yet, your quote certainly seems a likely reference. sigh I shall have to get

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Deborah Harrell
Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage (And let me add - wow, on your summary.) My take is that the radical fringe of Islam is a sort of cargo cult. This made me think of J. Diamond's New Guinean frind's question, wich relates to this: This is seen most clearly in the case of the

Re: What happened to the right to have an opinion?

2006-11-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:56 AM Monday 11/27/2006, Nick Arnett wrote: I'm part of a group called Gold Star Families Speak Out. All of us lost relatives in Iraq or Afghanistan. We support each other, speak at public events and such. We are opposed to the war in Iraq and have called for our troops to be brought

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:58 AM Monday 11/27/2006, Nick Arnett wrote: I'm quite sure that's not needed, since it is common sense that one can prophet from the past. Aargh. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Library book sales - huzzah!

2006-11-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:31 PM Monday 11/27/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug wrote: Deborah wrote: Oh dear, yet _more_ literary background required before I can read Banks? Not having read any of the 'Culture' story yet, your quote certainly

Re: What happened to the right to have an opinion?

2006-11-27 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 27 Nov 2006 at 6:56, Nick Arnett wrote: This seems utterly wrong to me. Since when is membership in a peaceful organization -- we have never done or said anything even remotely unlawful -- a legitimate reason for denying employment or security clearances? You can be denied a security

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 27 Nov 2006 at 12:42, Doug wrote: Andrew wrote: I wrote: The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in Iraq. Why did they want to

Re: What happened to the right to have an opinion?

2006-11-27 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 27 Nov 2006 at 6:56, Nick Arnett wrote: This seems utterly wrong to me. Since when is membership in a peaceful organization -- we have never done or said anything even remotely unlawful -- a legitimate reason for denying employment or security clearances? You can be denied a security

Energy Independence Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, either your proposing tripling the price of oil in this country, or you are proposing a policy with about as much near-term relevance for energy independence as drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. I remember

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no question that we are walking right up to the line, and a decently strong case that we are crossing that line, but I'm not sure that any previous generation has hestitated to walk right up to the line and

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I'd be curious to see the methodology first. It probably was just an ill-designed survey Well, I'll give you what information I have and you can see if you can hunt down the methodology. This is what the articles say: The

Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Similarly, I find the notion of bombing a people into democracy and gratitude stupid. And I really honestly do not believe that Bush's failure of imagination and my recognition of the same makes me responsible for Saddam's crimes, or

Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world was with you on Afghanistan. You should have finished the job properly. Sorry, Charlie, but the world was *not* with us on Afghanistan.Oh sure, they were there in word - but the world was painfully short of the

Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the deaths currently occuring in Iraq. Cite, please. I don't recall anybody making any such argument. Nick Ok 11/22 at 12:37am according to Yahoo! ---

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Doug
Andrew wrote: Huh? No, again, you're somehow focusing on AQ hates Americans in Iraw. They PLAIN HATE AMERICANS. They're prolonging the violence by attacking Americans because it hurts American interests and Americans. Iraq happens to be the current best place for them to do that. Why do

Re: Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/11/2006, at 2:52 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world was with you on Afghanistan. You should have finished the job properly. Sorry, Charlie, but the world was *not* with us on Afghanistan.Oh sure, they were there in

Re: Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Richard Baker
Charlie said: Much of the world simply isn't able to provide soldiers as most 1st world countries have been cutting back to basically a defence force, and there have been enough friendly fire incidents in joint task forces in the past to make military forces wary of combining troops. And

Re: Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/11/2006, at 6:29 PM, Richard Baker wrote: Charlie said: Much of the world simply isn't able to provide soldiers as most 1st world countries have been cutting back to basically a defence force, and there have been enough friendly fire incidents in joint task forces in the past to