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From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [L3] Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:41:25PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > or suppor
Did you write that all by yourself? I bet not. A plagiarized parody of a
parody. Yeah, that's about your speed.
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
At 06:18 PM 22/04/04 -0700, you wrote:
Thanks for sending this.
My response is complex so please let me put it into
context.
snip
>... and so on. The latest, attacking Kerrey's war
>record, shows just how biliously crazy these people
>are.
>
>6) It is rooted, of course, in the us-vs-them
>attitu
Interesting, but I disagree with his idea that missiles would be a viable
weapon.Currently, the only way one can sink or damage a warship
(theoretically, since we haven't seen any naval battles on the scale of, say
Jutland or Leyte Gulf) that is well eqipped (DP cannon, CIWS Vulcans, SAMs,
etc) is
I just came across this article trying to envision what a realistic space
navy might be like:
http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/04/SpaceNavies2.shtml
(http://tinyurl.com/2xmzr)
(The article is pasted below as well)
His biggest concern seems to be the matter of heat dissipation, which
br
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:41:25PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
> or support killing is acting morally. If so, then Gautam would
> clearly allow that a reasonable person could consider some of his
> views immoral...even though he has a different means of applying
> morality than they do.
Hmm, still
--- Damon Agretto
>>After> all> > if Dog's going to> > destroy it all
anyway...
> Replace "a lot" with "some" and I think you'd be
> much> closer to actuality...
I agree, but mainly in the context of the sub-meme of
American tolerant enlightenment pragmatism. Those who
reject this sub-meme ofte
> A lot of 'christians' still hold this meme. They
> are so obsessed with
> Armageddon coming or the rapture that they literally
> throw their lives
> and lives of their children down the toilet.
> Jehovah's Witnesses are
> especially prone to this kind of thinking. But it
> goes further than
>
--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do feel that way. I have no doubt that Gandhi
> (for
> example) would say that my support of violent
> intervention to stop mass killings (in Iraq, but
> also,
> for example, in Rwanda) is actively immoral. Thomas
> Jefferson, to pick another exam
> From: Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> >--- JDG> Somehow, I don't think that Jesus would
> >concern> himself with tax policy if> he returned.
> >Instead, he would concern himself> with individual
> >salvation.
>
> In fact, early Christians thought it would not matter.
> That the End of D
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Reading your post this way, you appear to miss his
> point. His complaint
> was about people who put virtually everyone they
> disagree with in the
> immoral category. The complaint was not that
> liberals thought some
> conservatives, like Lott, were
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From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [L3] Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 12:26:23PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
> > Yet, he has
Andrew, probably not meaning what I think he means:
> Nicely put Dan. It would seem the most enery efficent too,
> and the most sensible. From all angles, except perhaps that
> of the delusional paranoids trying to hang onto power in a
> changing world.
Nice description of the New York Times s
David Hobby thinks I've mischaracterized his position:
> > David Hobby thinks that workers are coerced into taking
> dangerous jobs
> > and that government can make us all safe:
>
> Mike-- If you mischaracterize my position, I won't discuss
> things with you. Basta.
I'll address both of my
Robert defends the virtue of St. Julia:
> Wow!
> Going after the most consistently inoffensive person on this list with
> an insult.
> Not just that, But Julia is the heart and soul of this little
> community.
>
> I bet you spend your Tuesday nights repeatedly dialing the American
> Idol phone li
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 12:26:23PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
> Yet, he has also clearly stated that there are some people that he feels
> hold an immoral position that he disagrees with. Thus, the reasonable
> hypothesis is that he respects some, but not all, of the people he
> disagrees with.
Eh
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From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [L3] Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day
>> Erik wrote
>>> Understood. People disagreeing with you must respect you, b
--- JDG> Somehow, I don't think that Jesus would
concern> himself with tax policy if> he returned.
Instead, he would concern himself> with individual
salvation.
In fact, early Christians thought it would not matter.
That the End of Days was at hand. It took more than
a century for them to sto
Had a little insight the other day that seems relevant to our periodic
how-to-have-a-reasonable-discussion discussions.
I've certainly been guilty at times of having to be right -- having a
hard time letting go of an argument when someone else disagrees (and I
just *know* that I'm right, which
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 11:05:07AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
> There is considerable empirical evidence both in his response and in
> past series of posts that contradict this assertion. Why do you make
> it?
Huh?
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From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [L3] Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 06:52:49AM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> > Look Er
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 06:52:49AM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> Look Erik, this isn't actually that hard.
Right, double standards make things quite easy.
> But not all disagreements are worthy of respect.
Understood. People disagreeing with you must respect you, but you don't
have to respect
Travis Edmunds wrote:
>
> Interesting. Incidentally, I now know how Anakin Skywalker was conceived!
>
The genetic offspring of two females _must_ be female. Anakin - and Jesus -
can't be the genetic son of two women.
Alberto Monteiro
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At 08:52 AM 4/23/04, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If you think the blindness of millions of kids is
> worth stopping some
> > unspecified and very small risk that genetically
> engineered rice might
> > in some way harm someone, then you're into a
> morally i
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If you think the blindness of millions of kids is
> worth stopping some
> > unspecified and very small risk that genetically
> engineered rice might
> > in some way harm someone, then you're into a
> morally insupportable
> > position.
>
> You're stil
From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>From: "Mike Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:50 PM
>Subject: RE: This time I won't blame Bush
>> David Hobby thinks that workers are coerced into
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 05:02:57AM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> --- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As long as it doesn't strike to close to home, they can disagree.
> > But if it feels too personal, then they are evil.
>
> I don't think so, no. "Golden rice" doesn't strike particul
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:53:02PM -0700, Gautam
> Mukunda wrote:
> Sounds like you are attributing malevolence to them.
> Maybe they honestly
> disagree with you? Perhaps they feel that they are
> saving billions of
> lives (the human race) sometime in
At 06:18 PM 4/22/2004 -0700 Davd Brin wrote:
> If Jesus arrived today,
>he would not give a damn about markets, and they know
>it. He said give the shirt off your back to the poor
>RIGHT NOW! He did not teach a man to fish, he gave
>the man fish.
>
>Face it, if he arrived here today, he would not
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:53:02PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> They died because environmental activists _didn't care_, and they won
> the argument, against all reason and evidence.
> There are any number of other examples. Golden rice. Genetically
> engineered food crops in Africa. That wa
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:22:39PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
> Not very sensitive to how his messages will be received is he?
On the contrary!
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