Re: Schools and libraries must block social networking sites?

2006-07-29 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 28, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: US House Resolution 5319, the Deleting Online Predators Act (DOPA), was passed by a 410 to 15 vote tonight. If the Resolution becomes law social networking sites and chat rooms must be blocked by schools and libraries or those institutions

Re: FEMA disaster for free speech

2006-07-29 Thread Dave Land
Nick Arnett wrote: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2924 and more Comes now further word on the subject: http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/3425616.html?showAll=y FEMA OKs media access to residents “We’re responding to your criticism,” James Stark, director of FEMA’s Louisiana

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-29 Thread Richard Baker
Brother John said: Why would any adult not want to have children? Are they not a source of almost infinite joy in the lives of those who have them? Are they not great treasures? To pass up a chance for a child is like walking by a 100 dollar bill on the sidewalk and not leaning down

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-29 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the debate in the States has become *so* polarised that it's difficult to explore nuance. As Dan's caricature of the pro- choice position showed. I must have missed that, but I find it hard to believe that Dan

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-29 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why we'll never agree. Being human is about expressing humanity, not about chromosome number, or genetic engineering, or symbiosis, or phenotypic modification. It's about language, society, culture, art, curiosity,

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I suppose that John Kerry, Bill Clinton, and Al Gore *also* told us those thing in order to justify the war too, huh Nick? Does it have to be about partisanship? It seems to me to be clearly about partisanship for you -

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/07/2006, at 10:45 PM, jdiebremse wrote: Well, now you've left me confused. Neither a 1-month old infant, nor a 7-month unborn child are capable of either of those things, and you clearly consider them to be human. So, there clearly is something else at work in defining humanity for

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread Nick Arnett
On 7/29/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Indeed, I'd argue that you have your causality reversed - they weren't telling us those things that weren't true to justify the war, they were trying to justify the war because they were telling us those things that weren't true. Sorry,

Re: Schools and libraries must block social networking sites?

2006-07-29 Thread Nick Arnett
On 7/29/06, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a local television station in Cleveland decided to put together an investigative report on the dangers of allowing your children to go to the public library. What did they do? They put a hidden camera in the computer room

Re: (no subject)

2006-07-29 Thread Brother John
Richard Baker wrote: Charlie said: It seems to me that most of the atheists I know are just as ethical as anyone else, and spend a lot of time thinking about social responsibility and equality issues. We have to spend a lot of time thinking about ethics because we're unlucky enough not to

RE: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:12 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: RFK Jr. interview On 7/29/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Indeed, I'd argue that you have

Re: (no subject)

2006-07-29 Thread Richard Baker
Brother John said: Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and hippies of prior civilizations. Where did those higher cultures come from in the first place if not from earlier primitive cultures?

Re: (no subject)

2006-07-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Jul 2006, at 6:36PM, Richard Baker wrote: Brother John said: Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and hippies of prior civilizations. Where did those higher cultures come from in the first

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread Gibson Jonathan
On Jul 22, 2006, at 3:51 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 23/07/2006, at 2:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RFK Jr's statement didn't adress this at all. I'd argue that both Democrats and Republicans give half truths that favor their position. It's not that RFK Jr. is a champion of truth

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread Nick Arnett
On 7/29/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the argument that Clinton thought they had dangerous WMDs, and that the European intelligence agencies thought they had WMDs is accurate. Okay... but I don't think that changes the basic idea that our leaders are responsible for what they

RE: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:40 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: RFK Jr. interview On 7/29/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the argument that Clinton thought

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Jul 2006, at 8:25PM, Dan Minette wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett I think this is about a failure to work through our pain and grief about 9/11 and much more in a healthy manner. As a nation, as a culture, we have

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-29 Thread Brother John
Richard Baker wrote: Brother John said: Why would any adult not want to have children? Are they not a source of almost infinite joy in the lives of those who have them? Are they not great treasures? To pass up a chance for a child is like walking by a 100 dollar bill on the sidewalk and not

Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread Brother John
Richard Baker wrote: Brother John said: Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and hippies of prior civilizations. Where did those higher cultures come from in the first place if not from earlier

Re: (no subject)

2006-07-29 Thread Brother John
Richard Baker wrote: Brother John said: Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and hippies of prior civilizations. Where did those higher cultures come from in the first place if not from earlier

Re: Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread Medievalbk
Totally meaningless comment: In a message dated 7/29/2006 3:26:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We know from a study of his skull and other bones . Bottom line. I don't know. But I don't think anyone else does either. I would rather trace my ancestry

Re: Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread Richard Baker
Brother John said: From earlier higher cultures? In an infinite regress? Or was some initial higher culture just created ex nihilo? I don't know. Written human history only goes back about 6,000 years. And the earliest records of literate societies having a written history show those

Re: (no subject)

2006-07-29 Thread Richard Baker
Brother John said: The reason the story is so funny is because it could be true as far as we know. Yeah, if we overlook not just everything we know about prehistory but everything we know about biology too. Rich ___

Re: Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread Brother John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Totally meaningless comment: In a message dated 7/29/2006 3:26:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We know from a study of his skull and other bones . Bottom line. I don't know. But I don't think anyone else does either. I would

Re: Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread The Fool
From: Brother John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard Baker wrote: Brother John said: Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and hippies of prior civilizations. Where did those higher cultures come

Re: FEMA disaster for free speech

2006-07-29 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reporters and photographers will have to produce valid media credentials before they are allowed to enter the trailer parks, he said. Dave Uns deine Papiere zeigen Maru I don't know the specifics of this situation,

Re: Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread Richard Baker
The Fool said: Troll, Both Egyptian and Chinese history goes back about 8000 years. I thought that the earliest known historical documents from Egypt were the Early Dynastic palettes, such as the famous Narmer palette, which shows the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt and which dates

Abortion

2006-07-29 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't need to think of a sperm or zygote as sacred. But we should consider what we do when we cultivate a sentiment among us that babies don't matter and are no more worthy to live than germs, and less worthy to live

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, I'd argue that you have your causality reversed - they weren't telling us those things that weren't true to justify the war, they were trying to justify the war because they were telling us those things that weren't

Re: (no subject)

2006-07-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/07/2006, at 2:25 AM, Brother John wrote: It seems to me that most of the atheists I know are just as ethical as anyone else, and spend a lot of time thinking about social responsibility and equality issues. We have to spend a lot of time thinking about ethics because we're

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread Nick Arnett
On 7/29/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A horrible mess ensued. Included in that were the deaths of 20 senior citizens in a bus accident. My question is whether the mayor owes the families of those senior citizens an apology, because it would have been better if no evacuation order

Re: Abortion

2006-07-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/07/2006, at 9:38 AM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't need to think of a sperm or zygote as sacred. But we should consider what we do when we cultivate a sentiment among us that babies don't matter and are no more worthy to live

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie, I've read over RFK's piece in Rolling Stone, Was the 2004 Election Stolen? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/ was_the_2004_election_stolen and it seems pretty damning against an honest election this

Re: Abortion

2006-07-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 30 Jul 2006, at 1:31AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 30/07/2006, at 9:38 AM, jdiebremse wrote: Of course, I don't think that Brother John does anyone any favors when he equates ova and sperm with zygotes and unborn children. No, he equated sperm and zygotes with babies. Babies are infants

RE: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jdiebremse Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:46 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: RFK Jr. interview --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie, I've read

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/07/2006, at 4:21 AM, Gibson Jonathan wrote: Charlie, I've read over RFK's piece in Rolling Stone, Was the 2004 Election Stolen? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/ was_the_2004_election_stolen and it seems pretty damning against an honest election this last go around.

RE: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-29 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:04 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: RFK Jr. interview On 7/29/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A horrible mess ensued. Included in

Re: Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread The Fool
-- From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool said: Troll, Both Egyptian and Chinese history goes back about 8000 years. I thought that the earliest known historical documents from Egypt were the Early Dynastic palettes, such as the famous Narmer palette, which shows

I'll be a monkey's uncle . . .

2006-07-29 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
Psych Prof Advocates Human/Chimp Hybrids – But only to Offend Christians http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jul/06072803.html -- Ronn! :) Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain in the cradle forever. -- Konstantin E. Tsiolkovskiy

Re: Abortion

2006-07-29 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote: 'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here before yanking some chains. No, he isn't. -- Ronn! :) Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain in the cradle forever. -- Konstantin E. Tsiolkovskiy

Re: Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:03 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, The Fool wrote: Well if you mean writing. The sphynx is estimated as being 8000+ years ago. About 1-2000 years after the domestication of the cat. You mean the domestication of humans by cats. -- Ronn! :) Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot

Re: Abortion

2006-07-29 Thread Brother John
jdiebremse wrote: Harder than the decision to carry the child to birth? Harder than the decision to give up the child for adoption? Harder than the decision to raise the child? I don't like the way Brother John attempts to villify those who choose abortion. I think those that choose

Re: I'll be a monkey's uncle . . .

2006-07-29 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 7/29/2006 7:26:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Psych Prof Advocates Human/Chimp Hybrids – But only to Offend Christians Or French waiters, New York City cab drivers, marine drill serjeants, and all third string defensive linesmen.

Re: (no subject)

2006-07-29 Thread Brother John
Charlie Bell wrote: Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and hippies of prior civilizations. Do you suppose that the Maya are the only illiterate natives descended from high culture? If we had the

Re: Abortion

2006-07-29 Thread Brother John
William T Goodall wrote: On 30 Jul 2006, at 1:31AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 30/07/2006, at 9:38 AM, jdiebremse wrote: Of course, I don't think that Brother John does anyone any favors when he equates ova and sperm with zygotes and unborn children. No, he equated sperm and zygotes with

RE: I'll be a monkey's uncle . . .

2006-07-29 Thread PAT MATHEWS
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Psych Prof Advocates Human/Chimp Hybrids – But only to Offend Christians http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jul/06072803.html Creating a living and possibly sentient being just in order to tick

RE: I'll be a monkey's uncle . . .

2006-07-29 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:30 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, PAT MATHEWS wrote: Creating a living and possibly sentient being just in order to tick someone off strikes me as pretty low. How many women have gone through with a pregnancy to trap a man? -- Ronn! :) Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain

RE: I'll be a monkey's uncle . . .

2006-07-29 Thread PAT MATHEWS
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: RE: I'll be a monkey's uncle . . . Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:40:02 -0500 At 10:30 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, PAT MATHEWS wrote: Creating a living and

RE: I'll be a monkey's uncle . . .

2006-07-29 Thread PAT MATHEWS
Ronn - let me make this really simple. A human being is an end in himself or herself, not a means to another's ends. Yes, I understand the bit about having a child becaue you need an heir. That may or may not be borderline. Other than that - to create one for any other end than that you want

Re: Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/07/2006, at 1:03 PM, The Fool wrote: Well if you mean writing. The sphynx is estimated as being 8000+ years ago. About 1-2000 years after the domestication of the cat. Domestication? ;) Charlie ___

Re: Prehistory

2006-07-29 Thread The Fool
From: Charlie Bell On 30/07/2006, at 1:03 PM, The Fool wrote: Well if you mean writing. The sphynx is estimated as being 8000+ years ago. About 1-2000 years after the domestication of the cat. Domestication? ;) Parasitication? ___