On Jul 28, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
US House Resolution 5319, the Deleting Online Predators Act
(DOPA), was
passed by a 410 to 15 vote tonight. If the Resolution becomes law
social
networking sites and chat rooms must be blocked by schools and
libraries or
those institutions
Nick Arnett wrote:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2924
and more
Comes now further word on the subject:
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/3425616.html?showAll=y
FEMA OKs media access to residents
“We’re responding to your criticism,” James Stark, director of
FEMA’s Louisiana
Brother John said:
Why would any adult not want to have children? Are they not a
source of almost infinite joy in the lives of those who have them?
Are they not great treasures? To pass up a chance for a child is
like walking by a 100 dollar bill on the sidewalk and not leaning
down
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the debate in the States has become *so* polarised that
it's difficult to explore nuance. As Dan's caricature of
the pro-
choice position showed.
I must have missed that, but I find it hard to believe that Dan
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is why we'll never agree. Being human is about expressing
humanity, not about chromosome number, or genetic engineering, or
symbiosis, or phenotypic modification. It's about language,
society,
culture, art, curiosity,
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I suppose that John Kerry, Bill Clinton, and Al Gore *also*
told
us those thing in order to justify the war too, huh Nick?
Does it have to be about partisanship?
It seems to me to be clearly about partisanship for you -
On 29/07/2006, at 10:45 PM, jdiebremse wrote:
Well, now you've left me confused. Neither a 1-month old infant,
nor a 7-month unborn child are capable of either of those things,
and you clearly consider them to be human. So, there clearly is
something else at work in defining humanity for
On 7/29/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Indeed, I'd argue that you have your
causality reversed - they weren't telling us those things that
weren't true to justify the war, they were trying to justify the war
because they were telling us those things that weren't true.
Sorry,
On 7/29/06, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So a local television station in Cleveland decided to put
together an investigative report on the dangers of allowing
your children to go to the public library. What did they do?
They put a hidden camera in the computer room
Richard Baker wrote:
Charlie said:
It seems to me that most of the atheists I know are just as ethical
as anyone else, and spend a lot of time thinking about social
responsibility and equality issues.
We have to spend a lot of time thinking about ethics because we're
unlucky enough not to
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Subject: Re: RFK Jr. interview
On 7/29/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Indeed, I'd argue that you have
Brother John said:
Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all
descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and
hippies of prior civilizations.
Where did those higher cultures come from in the first place if not
from earlier primitive cultures?
On 29 Jul 2006, at 6:36PM, Richard Baker wrote:
Brother John said:
Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all
descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and
hippies of prior civilizations.
Where did those higher cultures come from in the first
On Jul 22, 2006, at 3:51 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 23/07/2006, at 2:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RFK Jr's statement didn't adress this at all. I'd argue that both
Democrats and Republicans give half truths that favor their position.
It's
not that RFK Jr. is a champion of truth
On 7/29/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, the argument that Clinton thought they had dangerous WMDs, and that the
European intelligence agencies thought they had WMDs is accurate.
Okay... but I don't think that changes the basic idea that our leaders are
responsible for what they
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Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:40 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: RFK Jr. interview
On 7/29/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, the argument that Clinton thought
On 29 Jul 2006, at 8:25PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett I
think this is about a failure to work through our pain and grief
about 9/11 and much more in a healthy manner. As a nation, as a
culture, we have
Richard Baker wrote:
Brother John said:
Why would any adult not want to have children? Are they not a source
of almost infinite joy in the lives of those who have them? Are they
not great treasures? To pass up a chance for a child is like walking
by a 100 dollar bill on the sidewalk and not
Richard Baker wrote:
Brother John said:
Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all
descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and
hippies of prior civilizations.
Where did those higher cultures come from in the first place if not
from earlier
Richard Baker wrote:
Brother John said:
Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all
descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and
hippies of prior civilizations.
Where did those higher cultures come from in the first place if not
from earlier
Totally meaningless comment:
In a message dated 7/29/2006 3:26:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We know from a study of his skull and other bones .
Bottom line. I don't know. But I don't think anyone else does either.
I would rather trace my ancestry
Brother John said:
From earlier higher cultures?
In an infinite regress? Or was some initial higher culture just
created ex nihilo?
I don't know. Written human history only goes back about 6,000
years. And the earliest records of literate societies having a
written history show those
Brother John said:
The reason the story is so funny is because it could be true as far
as we know.
Yeah, if we overlook not just everything we know about prehistory but
everything we know about biology too.
Rich
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Totally meaningless comment:
In a message dated 7/29/2006 3:26:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We know from a study of his skull and other bones .
Bottom line. I don't know. But I don't think anyone else does either.
I would
From: Brother John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard Baker wrote:
Brother John said:
Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all
descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and
hippies of prior civilizations.
Where did those higher cultures come
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reporters and photographers will have to produce valid media
credentials before they are allowed to enter the trailer parks,
he said.
Dave
Uns deine Papiere zeigen Maru
I don't know the specifics of this situation,
The Fool said:
Troll, Both Egyptian and Chinese history goes back about 8000 years.
I thought that the earliest known historical documents from Egypt
were the Early Dynastic palettes, such as the famous Narmer palette,
which shows the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt and which dates
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We don't need to think of a sperm or zygote as sacred. But
we should consider what we do when we cultivate a sentiment
among us
that babies don't matter and are no more worthy to live than
germs, and less worthy to live
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed, I'd argue that you have your
causality reversed - they weren't telling us those things that
weren't true to justify the war, they were trying to justify the
war because they were telling us those things that weren't
On 30/07/2006, at 2:25 AM, Brother John wrote:
It seems to me that most of the atheists I know are just as
ethical as anyone else, and spend a lot of time thinking about
social responsibility and equality issues.
We have to spend a lot of time thinking about ethics because we're
On 7/29/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A horrible mess ensued. Included in that were the deaths of 20 senior
citizens in a bus accident. My question is whether the mayor owes the
families of those senior citizens an apology, because it would have been
better if no evacuation order
On 30/07/2006, at 9:38 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We don't need to think of a sperm or zygote as sacred. But
we should consider what we do when we cultivate a sentiment
among us
that babies don't matter and are no more worthy to live
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Charlie,
I've read over RFK's piece in Rolling Stone, Was the 2004
Election Stolen?
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/
was_the_2004_election_stolen and it seems pretty damning against
an honest election this
On 30 Jul 2006, at 1:31AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 30/07/2006, at 9:38 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
Of course, I don't think that Brother John does anyone any favors
when he equates ova and sperm with zygotes and unborn children.
No, he equated sperm and zygotes with babies. Babies are infants
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Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:46 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: RFK Jr. interview
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Charlie,
I've read
On 30/07/2006, at 4:21 AM, Gibson Jonathan wrote:
Charlie,
I've read over RFK's piece in Rolling Stone, Was the 2004
Election Stolen? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/
was_the_2004_election_stolen and it seems pretty damning against an
honest election this last go around.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:04 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: RFK Jr. interview
On 7/29/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A horrible mess ensued. Included in
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From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool said:
Troll, Both Egyptian and Chinese history goes back about 8000 years.
I thought that the earliest known historical documents from Egypt
were the Early Dynastic palettes, such as the famous Narmer palette,
which shows
Psych Prof Advocates Human/Chimp Hybrids But only to Offend Christians
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jul/06072803.html
-- Ronn! :)
Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain in the cradle forever.
-- Konstantin E. Tsiolkovskiy
At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote:
'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here before
yanking some chains.
No, he isn't.
-- Ronn! :)
Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain in the cradle forever.
-- Konstantin E. Tsiolkovskiy
At 10:03 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, The Fool wrote:
Well if you mean writing. The sphynx is estimated as being 8000+ years ago.
About 1-2000 years after the domestication of the cat.
You mean the domestication of humans by cats.
-- Ronn! :)
Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot
jdiebremse wrote:
Harder than the decision to carry the child to birth? Harder than
the decision to give up the child for adoption? Harder than the
decision to raise the child?
I don't like the way Brother John attempts to villify those who
choose abortion. I think those that choose
In a message dated 7/29/2006 7:26:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Psych Prof Advocates Human/Chimp Hybrids – But only to Offend Christians
Or French waiters, New York City cab drivers, marine drill serjeants, and
all third string defensive linesmen.
Charlie Bell wrote:
Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all
descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and
hippies of prior civilizations. Do you suppose that the Maya are
the only illiterate natives descended from high culture? If we had
the
William T Goodall wrote:
On 30 Jul 2006, at 1:31AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 30/07/2006, at 9:38 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
Of course, I don't think that Brother John does anyone any favors
when he equates ova and sperm with zygotes and unborn children.
No, he equated sperm and zygotes with
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Psych Prof Advocates Human/Chimp Hybrids But only to Offend Christians
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jul/06072803.html
Creating a living and possibly sentient being just in order to tick
At 10:30 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
Creating a living and possibly sentient being just in order to tick
someone off strikes me as pretty low.
How many women have gone through with a pregnancy to trap a man?
-- Ronn! :)
Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: RE: I'll be a monkey's uncle . . .
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:40:02 -0500
At 10:30 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
Creating a living and
Ronn - let me make this really simple. A human being is an end in himself or
herself, not a means to another's ends.
Yes, I understand the bit about having a child becaue you need an heir. That
may or may not be borderline. Other than that - to create one for any other
end than that you want
On 30/07/2006, at 1:03 PM, The Fool wrote:
Well if you mean writing. The sphynx is estimated as being 8000+
years ago.
About 1-2000 years after the domestication of the cat.
Domestication? ;)
Charlie
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From: Charlie Bell
On 30/07/2006, at 1:03 PM, The Fool wrote:
Well if you mean writing. The sphynx is estimated as being 8000+
years ago.
About 1-2000 years after the domestication of the cat.
Domestication? ;)
Parasitication?
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