Re: Manners (was Re: Religious freedom)

2006-09-07 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 6, 2006, at 7:47 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice that this topic has attracted some interest and that people are giving some thought to the sickening poisonous evil filth of religion and the ghastly damage it causes

RE: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Ritu
Rich wrote: My atheist father used to tell me that might makes right is a bad philosophy? Why? Isn't might makes right basically the religious position? Uh, no. At least not in the religion I was born into. We do have a saying which translates into 'Truth always wins' but that is never

RE: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Ritu
William T Goodall asked: Richard Baker wrote: If not, then I fail to see how the religious and atheist positions differ. Or: how does God Himself decide what is good and evil? Isn't He, at least, basically in the same position as us atheists? I guess so, unless he himself has a God

Week 1 NFL Picks

2006-09-07 Thread John D. Giorgis
O.k. time for another season Week 1 Miami at Pittsburgh - Big Ben may be out, but the Steelers are still defending champs, and Miami is living on a reputation of beating a lot of bad teams at the end of last season. Pick: STEELERS Baltimore at Tampa Bay - Its always tough to win in the heat

Re: To the Back of the Bus!

2006-09-07 Thread dcaa
Wow, you were using the propel cans? A compressor will work much better...you don't have to pry it up when it freezes to the table... Damon, fun with physics... Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

Re: To the Back of the Bus!

2006-09-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:07 AM Thursday 9/7/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, you were using the propel cans? A compressor will work much better...you don't have to pry it up when it freezes to the table... Damon, fun with physics... When starting out and not doing a whole lot with it, $10 for a can

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Brother John
William T Goodall wrote: On 6 Sep 2006, at 4:13PM, Brother John wrote: Richard Baker wrote: If not, then I fail to see how the religious and atheist positions differ. Or: how does God Himself decide what is good and evil? Isn't He, at least, basically in the same position as us atheists?

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Brother John
Alberto Monteiro wrote: I think you should be careful to define _what_ are the goals, so that you can define what is good and what is evil. If the goal is the long-range survival of intelligence and diversity, or even of diversity of intelligence, then killing weak babies is evil. But it

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Brother John
William T Goodall wrote: The atheists eat less babies than the theists though due to having a rationally designed, probably vegetarian, diet. There is nothing rational about a vegetarian diet. Vegetarianism is just a form of holier-than-thou for atheists. John W. Redelfs

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/09/2006, at 6:58 PM, Brother John wrote: William T Goodall wrote: The atheists eat less babies than the theists though due to having a rationally designed, probably vegetarian, diet. There is nothing rational about a vegetarian diet. Vegetarianism is just a form of holier-than-thou

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread William T Goodall
On 7 Sep 2006, at 4:56PM, Brother John wrote: In the absence of God or gods, why would one goal be preferable to any other? I might have one goal. You might have another. If they are contradictory, then the strongest man's goal is the right one. Or in other words, the concept of right

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Richard Baker
JohnR said: There is nothing rational about a vegetarian diet. Vegetarianism is just a form of holier-than-thou for atheists. Yeah? Well, I'm vegetarian for aesthetic reasons and I really don't much care who else is or isn't vegetarian as long as they don't try to make me eat meat. And

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Richard Baker
Charlie said: Rich, atheist and vegetarian. Me, atheist and omnivorous. Doesn't matter a damn to me what you eat. You overlook the obvious fact that I am holier than you are. Rich GCU Saintly ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread William T Goodall
On 7 Sep 2006, at 5:06PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 07/09/2006, at 6:58 PM, Brother John wrote: William T Goodall wrote: The atheists eat less babies than the theists though due to having a rationally designed, probably vegetarian, diet. There is nothing rational about a vegetarian diet.

It takes a village to poison a child's mind

2006-09-07 Thread Dave Land
This is why the Democrats will always lose: we lack the will to feed poisonous lies to children to achieve our ends. Begin forwarded message: From: Media Matters for America [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 7, 2006 10:02:21 AM PDT Subject: ABC, Scholastic injecting conservative misinformation

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/09/2006, at 8:29 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 7 Sep 2006, at 5:06PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 07/09/2006, at 6:58 PM, Brother John wrote: William T Goodall wrote: The atheists eat less babies than the theists though due to having a rationally designed, probably vegetarian, diet.

Keep Propaganda Off The Airwaves

2006-09-07 Thread Nick Arnett
Hi, The ABC television network -- a cog in the Walt Disney empire -- unleashed a promotional blitz in the last week for a new docudrama called The Path to 9/11. ABC has thrown its corporate might behind the two-night production, and bills it as a public service: a TV event, to quote the ABC

RE: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Ritu
Brother John wrote: There is nothing rational about a vegetarian diet. I once recall reading something about how the vegetarian proteins are easier for humans to assimilate as compared to the proteins found in meat. Does anyone else have ay recollection of something like this? Vegetarianism

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-07 Thread Gibson Jonathan
Hullo, So many missives to catch up on. I've been busy. As an artist hovering around the computer industry since High School I find it amazing that AndrewC initially claims to be a non-expert, yet sells computers he regularly builds. Andrew, you undercut yourself on the credibility factor

Re: Manners (was Re: Religious freedom)

2006-09-07 Thread William T Goodall
On 7 Sep 2006, at 3:47AM, jdiebremse wrote: Wow. I do have to admire your chutzpah.. That's cute from the guy whose favourite topic reduces to accusing everyone who uses contraception of being a mass-murderer. Goose Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web :

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
There's a bit of convolution here; before a meaningful discussion can happen in some areas I think some of it has to be untangled. On Sep 6, 2006, at 4:58 AM, John W Redelfs wrote: My atheist father used to tell me that might makes right is a bad philosophy? Why? Succinctly, if it were a

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread John W Redelfs
On 9/7/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/09/2006, at 6:58 PM, Brother John wrote: William T Goodall wrote: The atheists eat less babies than the theists though due to having a rationally designed, probably vegetarian, diet. There is nothing rational about a vegetarian diet.

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread John W Redelfs
On 9/7/06, Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there in fact is a rational argument in favour of vegetarianism, because a given area of land can feed more vegetarians than meat eaters essentially because of thermodynamics. More solar energy gets into plants used as human food than into

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-07 Thread The Fool
From: John W Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] I confess that I do not know as much about atheism as an atheist does, or a least not as much that is correct. But neither do atheists know as much about religion as religious people do, at least not as much that is correct. Some things you