RE: Uplift Universe question....

[Pat Mathews]

What if they should get the flu?

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> From: rceeber...@comcast.net
>
> Seems like a lot of work to me.
> Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other 
> species that did get uplifted.
> I would think Swines would be easier.
> 
> xponent
> When Swines Flew Maru
> rob
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Re: Brin: Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[Medievalbk]

 
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I'm on it.  seriously

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Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[Charlie Bell]

On 09/05/2009, at 12:54 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:


Somebody had to bring this to David's attention, thus the subject  
change!




Some bloke called Colin Brin in Yorkshire just received that email,  
and is really confused. ;-)


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Re: Brin: Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[David Brin]

I'm on it.  seriously




From: Nick Arnett 
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion 
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 7:54:29 PM
Subject: Brin: Re: New Uplift Universe question




On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Dan M  wrote:

I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin.  He hasn't
written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and
his last graphic novel was a year after that.

Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the
probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new
novels?

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Brin: Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[Nick Arnett]

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Dan M  wrote:

> I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin.  He hasn't
> written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years
> ago...and
> his last graphic novel was a year after that.
>
> Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the
> probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new
> novels?


Somebody had to bring this to David's attention, thus the subject change!

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Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[Wayne Eddy]

I'd love to find out what happened to Tom, Toshio, Dennie, Keepiru, etc.
I remember reading the short story "Lung Fish" and thinking that the crew of 
the lifeboat might end up finding a dilapidated outpost of a robotic 
civilization, even before machine intelligences were mentioned in the uplift 
books.
  - Original Message - 
  From: medieva...@aol.com 
  To: brin-l@mccmedia.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:49 AM
  Subject: Re: New Uplift Universe question


  You mean Uplift novels.

  Dr. Brin is in the marketing stage for his new close (to present)
  future history.

  Personally, I've done everything I can to try to kick him back into
  Uplift mode. Nothing has worked.

  (There was a note somewhere that he has a humor Uplift short 
  story in the works.)

  A return to Jijo was his original intention, as mentioned in
  the revised issue of GURPS Uplift. I don't think that's still
  valid. Fans want a return to the main civilization.

  So what next?

  The obvious desire of every reader is to see Gill and Tom
  together again.

  Not yet, I think.

  At least not in just one novel. That'd be advancing too
  far too quickly.

  And there are several novel ideas that don't even
  advance in time.

  The Brothers of the Night on Calafia.
  The "true" history of how we got Calafia.
  The Hoon escape of 2000 years ago.

  And my favorite:

  Earth from the Garthling Uplift Ceremony to
  Streaker's arrival.

  Now for someone who's looking for hints as to
  what will happen after Streaker's return, go 
  reread Contacting Aliens. Too much detail was 
  given away there if one actually goes looking
  for it.

  And I've suggested to Dr. Brin a novel based upon
  the Rousit.

  Anybody remember the Rousit? They got left out
  of Contacting Aliens.

  William Taylor

  Name the ship piloted by Bugs Bunny:


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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Charlie Bell]

On 09/05/2009, at 11:49 AM, Wayne Eddy wrote:


Seems like a lot of work to me.
Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to  
other species that did get uplifted.

I would think Swines would be easier.

xponent
When Swines Flew Maru
rob


Clifford D Simak uplifted dogs years earlier, so it was probably a  
bit old hat.


I always thought that elephants would make the most sense as an  
uplift candidate.  They're already very intelligent & as a bonus  
they have a manipulative organ.  I guess uplifting chimps first  
makes sense, but all you really get in the end is a hairy human.


And we have those already. They're called "Greeks".

Charlie.
Or They're Called "Charlie" Maru

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Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[Medievalbk]

In a message dated 5/8/2009 6:10:49 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
dsummersmi...@comcast.net writes:

I've got  a question that I think about when I think of Brin.  He hasn't
written  a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years 
ago...and
his  last graphic novel was a year after that.

Is it fair to say that, while  he will continue to write short fiction, the
probability of a new novel is  exponentially decaying, or will there be new
novels?

Dan M.   


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You mean Uplift novels.
 
Dr. Brin is in the marketing stage for his new close (to present)
future history.
 
Personally, I've done everything I can to try to kick him back into
Uplift mode. Nothing has worked.
 
(There was a note somewhere that he has a humor Uplift short 
story in the works.)
 
A return to Jijo was his original intention, as mentioned in
the revised issue of GURPS Uplift. I don't think that's still
valid. Fans want a return to the main civilization.
 
So what next?
 
The obvious desire of every reader is to see Gill and Tom
together again.
 
Not yet, I think.
 
At least not in just one novel. That'd be advancing too
far too quickly.
 
And there are several novel ideas that don't even
advance in time.
 
The Brothers of the Night on Calafia.
The "true" history of how we got Calafia.
The Hoon escape of 2000 years ago.
 
And my favorite:
 
Earth from the Garthling Uplift Ceremony to
Streaker's arrival.
 
Now for someone who's looking for hints as to
what will happen after Streaker's return, go 
reread Contacting Aliens. Too much detail was 
given away there if one actually goes looking
for it.
 
And I've suggested to Dr. Brin a novel based upon
the Rousit.
 
Anybody remember the Rousit? They got left out
of Contacting Aliens.
 
William Taylor
 
Name the ship piloted by Bugs Bunny:
 
 
Whatta Maru

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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Wayne Eddy]

Seems like a lot of work to me.
Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other 
species that did get uplifted.

I would think Swines would be easier.

xponent
When Swines Flew Maru
rob


Clifford D Simak uplifted dogs years earlier, so it was probably a bit old 
hat.


I always thought that elephants would make the most sense as an uplift 
candidate.  They're already very intelligent & as a bonus they have a 
manipulative organ.  I guess uplifting chimps first makes sense, but all you 
really get in the end is a hairy human.


Regards,

Wayne. 



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Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[Charlie Bell]

On 09/05/2009, at 11:26 AM, David Hobby wrote:


Charlie Bell wrote:
...
We could find out through the magic of actually asking someone who  
might know. Say, himself? :)


Cheater!


I prefer to think of it as a shortcut to enlightenment...

Charlie

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Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[David Hobby]

Charlie Bell wrote:
...
We could find out through the magic of actually asking someone who might 
know. Say, himself? :)


Cheater!

---David

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Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[Charlie Bell]

On 09/05/2009, at 11:10 AM, Dan M wrote:

I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin.  He  
hasn't
written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years  
ago...and

his last graphic novel was a year after that.

Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short  
fiction, the
probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there  
be new

novels?


We could find out through the magic of actually asking someone who  
might know. Say, himself? :)


Charlie.

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Re: New Uplift Universe question....

[David Hobby]

Dan M wrote:

I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin.  He hasn't
written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and
his last graphic novel was a year after that.

Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the
probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new
novels?

...

Dan--

Not that I've read it yet, but your sense is
that _Sky Horizon_ doesn't count?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/159606109X?tag=davidbrinsoff-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=159606109X&adid=18VPX1PC1EP4RMZ75NCZ&;

Once we got our definitions straight, I'd be
prepared to bet there'll be a new
(sole-author, adult) novel within 5 years.

---David


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New Uplift Universe question....

[Dan M]

I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin.  He hasn't
written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and
his last graphic novel was a year after that.

Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the
probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new
novels?

Dan M.  


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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Charlie Bell]

On 09/05/2009, at 8:30 AM, Rceeberger wrote:

Seems like a lot of work to me.
Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to  
other species that did get uplifted.

I would think Swines would be easier.


As would corvids and parrots.

Charlie.

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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 05:30 PM Friday 5/8/2009, Rceeberger wrote:


On 5/8/2009 10:22:00 AM, Nick Arnett (nick.arn...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik  [link: mailto:nanotreasu...@yahoo.com]> wrote:
> ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... 
accomplished

> by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic
> Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that?
> (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...)
>
> I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo
> hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar...
>
>
>
> According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to
> Wikipedia):
>
>
> "Dogs [link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog] have been mentioned as a 
possible client of Humanity in several books, but their final 
adoption has not been confirmed."

>
>
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs [link: en.wikipedia.
> org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs]
>
>
Seems like a lot of work to me.
Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to 
other species that did get uplifted.

I would think Swines would be easier.

xponent
When Swines Flew Maru
rob




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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Rceeberger]

On 5/8/2009 10:22:00 AM, Nick Arnett (nick.arn...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik  [link: mailto:nanotreasu...@yahoo.com]> wrote:
> ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished
> by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic
> Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that?
> (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...)
> 
> I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo
> hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar...
> 
> 
> 
> According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to
> Wikipedia):
> 
> 
> "Dogs [link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog] have been mentioned as a possible 
> client of Humanity in several books, but their final adoption has not been 
> confirmed." 
> 
> 
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs [link: en.wikipedia.
> org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs]
> 
> 
Seems like a lot of work to me.
Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other species 
that did get uplifted.
I would think Swines would be easier.

xponent
When Swines Flew Maru
rob

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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Julia Thompson]

On Fri, 8 May 2009, medieva...@aol.com wrote:


In a message dated 5/8/2009 11:12:20 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
dml...@gmail.com writes:

On May  8, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:


According to Wikipedia (a  reliable source for over 200 years,
according to  Wikipedia):


I have been trying to find the origin of that particular  piece of
Wikipedia-mockery (that, according to Wikipedia itself,  Wikipedia has
been around for X00 years) for some time -- does  anybody know where it
came from?

Dave


Macbeth.


Something Wikipedia this way comes.

Vilyehm


So, it wasn't actually *reliable* for some of the *first* 200 years?

Julia


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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Medievalbk]

In a message dated 5/8/2009 11:12:20 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
dml...@gmail.com writes:

On May  8, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:

> According to Wikipedia (a  reliable source for over 200 years,  
> according to  Wikipedia):

I have been trying to find the origin of that particular  piece of  
Wikipedia-mockery (that, according to Wikipedia itself,  Wikipedia has  
been around for X00 years) for some time -- does  anybody know where it  
came from?

Dave


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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Dave Land]

On May 8, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:

According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years,  
according to Wikipedia):


I have been trying to find the origin of that particular piece of  
Wikipedia-mockery (that, according to Wikipedia itself, Wikipedia has  
been around for X00 years) for some time -- does anybody know where it  
came from?


Dave


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RE: Uplift Universe question....

[Alberto Monteiro]

Leonard Matusik wrote:
>
> ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking...
> accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom
> of the Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what
> did Brin mean by that? 
>
It's a classical reference to the foundation of Roma. Just another
Earthlin pun.

The term, in Gal7, is k'chu-non, and it's a pejorative term. It's in
_Uplift War_, Chapter 12, but He does not give it's exact meaning.

Alberto Monteiro


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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Alberto Monteiro]

Leonard Matusik wrote: 
> 
> I'm sure that this has been asked many times on this list...
> so real quickly... Why were no Dogs included in the book
> Uplift Wars? 
>
Dogs _are_ included in the Uplift _Books_ (_The Uplift War_ is
one book, chronologically written as the third of the trilogy,
but that begins before _Startide Rising_ and ends after it).
For example, in _Infinity's Shore_ (the fifth book of the trilogy),
it's mentioned that dogs were not included in the Tabernacle ship.
IIRC, in _Uplift War_, it's mentioned that Chimps like to keep
dogs as pets.

Dogs, elephants, and a few other animals are explicitly mentioned
as pre-sapient candidates that Earthclan is forbidden to uplift -
two clients are too much for even an elder galactic race.

BTW, since Neodolphins are derived from one species of dolphin, but
with genetic material from all other species, there's no reason that
Neochimps don't include also Bonobo DNA.

Alberto Monteiro


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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Dave Land]

On May 8, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik > wrote:
... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking...  
accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom  
of the Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did  
Brin mean by that?

(...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?.   lmao/tiny...)

I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo  
hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar...


According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years,  
according to Wikipedia):


"Dogs have been mentioned as a possible client of Humanity in  
several books, but their final adoption has not been confirmed."


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs


The simple fact is that subtlety with which dogs uplifted humans  
(hence, the term "wolflings") is so great that we think it must go the  
other way around.


Dave

PS: Or was it cats, and the whole "wolfling" thing is further  
testimony to their sublime genius.


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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 10:22 AM Friday 5/8/2009, Nick Arnett wrote:

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM,
Leonard Matusik
 wrote:


... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking...
accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the
Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by
that? 

(...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?.  
lmao/tiny...)

 

I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo
hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar...


According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according
to Wikipedia):


http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-05-08/


"Dogs have been
mentioned as a possible client of Humanity in several books, but their
final adoption has not been confirmed." 

That's because of objections from humanity's true masters.


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Re: Texan Education

[Nick Arnett]

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>
>
> And one other unintended consequence of the Fairness Doctrine is that the
> "expert" for the "other viewpoint" is often given the illusion of a level of
> legitimacy that he/she would never have had without that national media
> exposure, which can in turn make it far more difficult to counter that
> argument than it really should be from the actual validity of the argument
> itself.


Um, that's not an "other" consequence, that is the very consequence I meant.

And yes, big media is on the decline, thanks to the inexpensive availability
of many other points of view via the Internet.  That's the topic of the
paper I wrote that led to my friendship with David Brin, in fact.  I made a
comparison of the printing press v. the Church of Rome to the Internet v.
Big Media, for the second Web conference.  It is good to see it continuing
to come true, as much as I empathize with my friends and former colleagues
in publishing.

Nick
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Re: Uplift Universe question....

[Nick Arnett]

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote:

> ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking...
> accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the
> Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by
> that?
> (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?.   lmao/tiny...)
>
> I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo
> hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar...
>

According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to
Wikipedia):

"Dogs  have been mentioned as a possible
client of Humanity in several books, but their final adoption has not been
confirmed."

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs

Nick
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Re: Texan Education

[Bruce Bostwick]

On May 7, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Bruce Bostwick > wrote:

On May 6, 2009, at 5:57 PM, William Goodall wrote:

Anti-evolutionist Don McLeroy, a dentist and chair of the Texas  
State Board of Education, testified at Friday's hearing: "I disagree  
with these experts. Someone has got to stand up to experts."


Especially people who .. you know .. lack any kind of scientific  
expertise at all?


I guess it helps if you go in already knowing what you believe and  
determined not to let objective reality get in the way ..


I think this sort of thing has been unfortunately encouraged by  
rules and policies like the Fairness Doctrine, which was based on  
the well-intentioned, but seriously flawed, idea that every argument  
automatically has a legitimate counter-argument.  Thus we get all  
sorts of "experts" to offer "the other viewpoint" on all sorts of  
things.  On issues where there are many legitimate opinions, this  
kind of thinking dilutes them to just two.  Big media has encouraged  
this sort of non-thinking.


Nick


And one other unintended consequence of the Fairness Doctrine is that  
the "expert" for the "other viewpoint" is often given the illusion of  
a level of legitimacy that he/she would never have had without that  
national media exposure, which can in turn make it far more difficult  
to counter that argument than it really should be from the actual  
validity of the argument itself.


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RE: Uplift Universe question....

[Leonard Matusik]

 though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished 
by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic 
Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that? 
(...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?.   lmao/tiny...)
 
I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo hybrids... 
esp considering the scene in the chimp bar... 

--- On Fri, 5/8/09, Pat Mathews  wrote:


From: Pat Mathews 
Subject: RE: Uplift Universe question
To: "Brin List" 
Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:32 AM




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And for that matter, why not bonobos instead of common chimps? They'd be a 
faster, easier Uplift, wouldn't they?

Hmmm... why not dogs for fear they'd out-compete us? Or become such devoted 
servants they'd pull a Humanoids on us? 

Or worse yet, for fear they'd be just what the rest of the Uplift universe 
wanted in its clients, a race that never would be independent because they'd 
been bred to service too long.


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Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:22:09 -0700
From: nanotreasu...@yahoo.com
Subject: Uplift Universe question
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com





I'm sure that this has been asked many times on this list... so real quickly... 
Why were no Dogs included in the book Uplift Wars? -Leonard (dog breeder :-D ) 

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RE: Uplift Universe question....

[Pat Mathews]

And for that matter, why not bonobos instead of common chimps? They'd be a 
faster, easier Uplift, wouldn't they?

Hmmm... why not dogs for fear they'd out-compete us? Or become such devoted 
servants they'd pull a Humanoids on us? 

Or worse yet, for fear they'd be just what the rest of the Uplift universe 
wanted in its clients, a race that never would be independent because they'd 
been bred to service too long.


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Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:22:09 -0700
From: nanotreasu...@yahoo.com
Subject: Uplift Universe question
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com

I'm sure that this has been asked many times on this list... so real quickly... 
Why were no Dogs included in the book Uplift Wars? -Leonard (dog breeder :-D ) 
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Uplift Universe question....

[Leonard Matusik]

I'm sure that this has been asked many times on this list... so real quickly... 
Why were no Dogs included in the book Uplift Wars? -Leonard (dog breeder :-D ) 


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RE: Texan Education

[Alberto Monteiro]

Dan M. wrote:
>
> But, big media is dying.  Well, at least parts of it are.  Think of 
> the main sources of news 40 years ago: network TV and newspapers.  
> We see that the Grey Lady is in terrible shape, and other newspapers 
> are not far behind. The free news and fast blogging of the internet 
> has cut into subscribership. I have no reason to buy a newspaper.
> 
Here in Brazil, there's a growing market for _free_ newspapers;
they are very small tabloids, loaded with propaganda, suited for
people to read while moving from home to work.

Alberto Monteiro


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Re: Texan Education

[Charlie Bell]

On 08/05/2009, at 12:05 PM, Dan M wrote:



Bloody po-mo all opinions are equally valid crap. Really gets up my
nose, along with the "everyone has to pass" rubbish some school
systems push. Gr.


I hope you aren't too insulted by this Charlie, but you've summed up  
two of

my pet peeves rather well; I'm 100% with you on this. :-)


Why would I be insulted if you agree with me? It just means there's  
still hope for you... ;-)



Some of my fondest memories was losing in tennis to my dad, who use  
to be
the local club champ in his youth...and kept on remembering his game  
as I

got older and better.  My mother suggested that my dad let me win
occasionally, and we were both horrified by the though.  It's OK to  
lose,

its OK to admit a mistake.


Bingo. Learning how to learn from losing is one of the biggest life  
lessons. Yeah, there's the old adage "Show me a good loser, and I'll  
show you a loser...", but the point is broader - accepting there's a  
REASON you lost is the biggest part of working out how to win, or  
pass, or even accept you were playing the wrong game. And accepting  
you were beaten by a better player is a step towards working out how  
they beat you, and being better yourself. You don't learn much by  
winning all the time.


Charlie

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