Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:37:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You must have been spared the cliche of your parents starting to ask on your wedding day how soon they could expect to become grandparents. Au contrarie mon ami. I was not all spared this event. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:33:08 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:37:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You must have been spared the cliche of your parents starting to ask on your wedding day how soon they could expect to become grandparents. Au contrarie mon ami. I was not all spared this event. I'll confess to being one of the guilty parents. Except that I didn't wait until they got married. -- Doug who got his wish maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
At 08:31 PM Saturday 1/21/2006, Doug Pensinger wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:33:08 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:37:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You must have been spared the cliche of your parents starting to ask on your wedding day how soon they could expect to become grandparents. Au contrarie mon ami. I was not all spared this event. I'll confess to being one of the guilty parents. Except that I didn't wait until they got married. Which leads to the operative question, Did they? Ten-Pound Preemies Maru --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton (Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
Doug Pensinger wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:33:08 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:37:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You must have been spared the cliche of your parents starting to ask on your wedding day how soon they could expect to become grandparents. Au contrarie mon ami. I was not all spared this event. I'll confess to being one of the guilty parents. Except that I didn't wait until they got married. We waited until it had been a few years since we were hassled about it. ;) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia wrote: In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:37:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You must have been spared the cliche of your parents starting to ask on your wedding day how soon they could expect to become grandparents. Au contrarie mon ami. I was not all spared this event. I'll confess to being one of the guilty parents. Except that I didn't wait until they got married. We waited until it had been a few years since we were hassled about it. ;) We were never hassled about that. But some 15 months after we got married, Mom announced that I was pregnant. I laughed, made fun of her, told her she was acting like a cliche...she kept on insisting that I get myself checked out. And she turned out to be right. She still laughs at me... Ritu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn! wrote: At 08:31 PM Saturday 1/21/2006, Doug Pensinger wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:33:08 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:37:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You must have been spared the cliche of your parents starting to ask on your wedding day how soon they could expect to become grandparents. Au contrarie mon ami. I was not all spared this event. I'll confess to being one of the guilty parents. Except that I didn't wait until they got married. Which leads to the operative question, Did they? Yes. Actually their original plan was to wait for a few years... -- Doug best laid plans maru 8^) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 12:16 PM Tuesday 1/17/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 17 Jan 2006, at 4:39 am, Ritu wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Enormous costs and intangible benefits that sound like members of a cult :) Hee! So is this your new Cause then? Just expanding my hobby of railing at human idiocies into a new area... And I'm sure there's a connection between the evil poisonous filth of religion and the pointless self-harm of procreation somewhere :) Well, some religions teach that you ought to be having lots and lots of children. Others teach chastity. Those don't tend to stick around quite as long. (I'm thinking of the Shakers) And then some prescribe one behavior for one group of followers and the other for another group of followers. Frex abstinence for the single and childrearing for the married? Yep. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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somebody other than [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having said this I don't think there is any drive to create grfandchildren. Ronn!Blankenship wrote: ] You must have been spared the cliche of your parents starting to ask ] on your wedding day how soon they could expect to become grandparents. At least yours waited until the wedding day. Mine placed an order for a granddaughter at our engagement announcemnt. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:14 AM Wednesday 1/18/2006, Matt Grimaldi wrote: somebody other than [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having said this I don't think there is any drive to create grfandchildren. Ronn!Blankenship wrote: ] You must have been spared the cliche of your parents starting to ask ] on your wedding day how soon they could expect to become grandparents. At least yours waited until the wedding day. Mine placed an order for a granddaughter at our engagement announcemnt. I was being kind. --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton (Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17 Jan 2006, at 4:39 am, Ritu wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Enormous costs and intangible benefits that sound like members of a cult :) Hee! So is this your new Cause then? Just expanding my hobby of railing at human idiocies into a new area... And I'm sure there's a connection between the evil poisonous filth of religion and the pointless self-harm of procreation somewhere :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
William T Goodall wrote: On 17 Jan 2006, at 4:39 am, Ritu wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Enormous costs and intangible benefits that sound like members of a cult :) Hee! So is this your new Cause then? Just expanding my hobby of railing at human idiocies into a new area... I'll take that to be a 'yes' then. And I'm sure there's a connection between the evil poisonous filth of religion and the pointless self-harm of procreation somewhere :) You can always start by checking out the correlation between atheism and child-free couples. :) Ritu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ritu wrote: So is this your new Cause then? The capital c was a nice touch. Should we call him William the Crusader from now on? It has a nice, epic ring to it. Parents, Christians and Saracens beware, for William the Crusader comes!!! ;-) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17 Jan 2006, at 12:53 pm, Ritu wrote: William T Goodall wrote: And I'm sure there's a connection between the evil poisonous filth of religion and the pointless self-harm of procreation somewhere :) You can always start by checking out the correlation between atheism and child-free couples. :) Remember: correlation doesn't mean causation. Rising standards of education and prosperity are strongly correlated with both lower birth rates and increasing secularism. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who study history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Doug Pensinger wrote: On wrote: I dunno. Here's some possibilities, though: Because there's more to life than a low stress level? Not much. Life*zero stress=zero life 8^) I don't know about that formula. By that formula, the more stress you have, the better your life. I would argue that it should be more of a bell curve, where initially the more stress, the better life is, but then begins to level off and reaches an apex point where after that, the more stress, the worse life is. How's that for nit-picking? :-) If this has caused you any stress, no need to thank me for improving your life. I'm always glad to help. ;-) Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Jan 2006, at 8:13 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. This just in: living only for yourself is less stressful than taking responsibility for the mental, physical and moral development of another human being. So why would anyone want to do that then? Biological hardwiring? And anyone not so hardwired is less likely to pass on whatever genes contribute to not being so hardwired. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Jan 2006, at 6:54 pm, Matt Grimaldi wrote: William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. Doug wrote: Hmmm, having children can be extremely stressfull, but I can hardly express the pride and satisfaction I feel having become a grandfather last year. I don't think I'd trade it for anything. Somewhere I've heard that the biological drive to procreate can only be completely satisfied by grandchildren. :-) I have quite a few years to wait before first-hand experience. As for those researchers, the fact that they seem to overlook is that having children significantly changes most of your priorities. What if one doesn't want to have one's priorities changed? Then one should probably take active steps to prevent it. Surgical sterilization is one option. Abstinence is another. Relying on having been told you can never have children is NOT wise -- I know a few mothers who were very surprised to find out they were with child. And having the sense to actively decide not to procreate when one does not want to be a parent is laudable, IMO. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. Doug wrote: Hmmm, having children can be extremely stressfull, but I can hardly express the pride and satisfaction I feel having become a grandfather last year. I don't think I'd trade it for anything. On 16 Jan 2006, at 6:54 pm, Matt Grimaldi wrote: Somewhere I've heard that the biological drive to procreate can only be completely satisfied by grandchildren. :-) I have quite a few years to wait before first-hand experience. As for those researchers, the fact that they seem to overlook is that having children significantly changes most of your priorities. William T Goodall wrote: ] What if one doesn't want to have one's priorities changed? Hey, I'm not recruiting members for the Parent Club, I'm just saying that it's not as bad as they make it sound. William T Goodall ] With endorsements like that who needs naysayers? You almost sound as if you *want* to be talked into parenthood. Logic only goes so far when making this kind of decision. Perhaps it's a framing problem. One could make an analogy between having children and getting married. It's a big commitment, it alters your life on many, many levels, and it can bring about the best and worst experiences, many of which are only possible after you're there. My advice for anything like that is to wait until you feel ready for it. Regardless of your actual state of readiness, it helps a lot if you understand that you chose the path you're on. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17 Jan 2006, at 5:51 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Jan 2006, at 8:13 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. This just in: living only for yourself is less stressful than taking responsibility for the mental, physical and moral development of another human being. So why would anyone want to do that then? Biological hardwiring? And anyone not so hardwired is less likely to pass on whatever genes contribute to not being so hardwired. :) Looking at the amount of bastardy in my family tree suggests other strategies for passing on genes may have worked too. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
Matt Grimaldi (aka EvilTopPoster grin!) wrote: Congratuations! Damon (the soon-to-be-perpetually-sleep-deprived) wrote: As a new daddy (my kid was born on 1.6.06) it's a pretty great feeling... Hup, Hup, Huzzah! Name? Weight? Etc.? Not-news flash: not having children does not mean that one is free from depression or stress. Even surrogate children of the four-footed kind can cause _some_ stress...although there's good prelim data affirming that pets reduce depression and blood pressure. Debbi who was again wearing a one-of-a-kind Lihleete Chapeau this morning (cats find humans more attractive in cold weather, for some peculiar reason...) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
At 12:16 PM Tuesday 1/17/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 17 Jan 2006, at 4:39 am, Ritu wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Enormous costs and intangible benefits that sound like members of a cult :) Hee! So is this your new Cause then? Just expanding my hobby of railing at human idiocies into a new area... And I'm sure there's a connection between the evil poisonous filth of religion and the pointless self-harm of procreation somewhere :) Well, some religions teach that you ought to be having lots and lots of children. Others teach chastity. Those don't tend to stick around quite as long. (I'm thinking of the Shakers) And then some prescribe one behavior for one group of followers and the other for another group of followers. Frex abstinence for the single and childrearing for the married? --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton (Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
In a message dated 1/16/2006 4:56:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somewhere I've heard that the biological drive to procreate can only be completely satisfied by grandchildren. :-) I have quite a few years to wait before first-hand experience. There a sense in which this is true. The biologic imperative is to pass along ones genes. Creating offspring is only part of the job. What really counts is how many copies of your genes make into the subsequent generation. So you could have 20 kids but if none procreate you would end up not passing your genes along. There are lots of strategies avalialbe. One can produce a huge number of offspring and just hope some of them make it to the next generation. You put all of your energy into making offsping and none into raising them. The ultimate example is some aphids who are born pregnant. Makes sense for creatures who are small short lived and dependentt upon waxing and waning conditions to reproduce. Basically make hay while the sun shinges. On the other extreme there are organisms who have few offspring but invest huge amounts time and energy in raising those offsrping. These offsprings are large long lived and capable learning and complex behavior. Sound familiar? Basically putting all of your eggs in one basker. By the way this a trait of all great apes more or less. But it is probably not a great one until one peculiar primate with a new trick came along. Up until then primates had been dwindling for about 20 million years losing out to monkeys which were becoming more numerous. Having said this I don't think there is any drive to create grfandchildren. That is too abstract a concept to be built into an organism including us. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 07:25 PM Tuesday 1/17/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/16/2006 4:56:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, somebody other than [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somewhere I've heard that the biological drive to procreate can only be completely satisfied by grandchildren. :-) I have quite a few years to wait before first-hand experience. There a sense in which this is true. The biologic imperative is to pass along ones genes. Creating offspring is only part of the job. What really counts is how many copies of your genes make into the subsequent generation. So you could have 20 kids but if none procreate you would end up not passing your genes along. There are lots of strategies avalialbe. One can produce a huge number of offspring and just hope some of them make it to the next generation. You put all of your energy into making offsping and none into raising them. The ultimate example is some aphids who are born pregnant. Makes sense for creatures who are small short lived and dependentt upon waxing and waning conditions to reproduce. Basically make hay while the sun shinges. On the other extreme there are organisms who have few offspring but invest huge amounts time and energy in raising those offsrping. These offsprings are large long lived and capable learning and complex behavior. Sound familiar? Basically putting all of your eggs in one basker. By the way this a trait of all great apes more or less. But it is probably not a great one until one peculiar primate with a new trick came along. Up until then primates had been dwindling for about 20 million years losing out to monkeys which were becoming more numerous. Having said this I don't think there is any drive to create grfandchildren. You must have been spared the cliche of your parents starting to ask on your wedding day how soon they could expect to become grandparents. --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton (Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
At 04:07 PM Tuesday 1/17/2006, Deborah Harrell wrote: Matt Grimaldi (aka EvilTopPoster grin!) wrote: Congratuations! Damon (the soon-to-be-perpetually-sleep-deprived) wrote: As a new daddy (my kid was born on 1.6.06) it's a pretty great feeling... Hup, Hup, Huzzah! Name? Weight? Etc.? Not-news flash: not having children does not mean that one is free from depression or stress. Even surrogate children of the four-footed kind can cause _some_ stress...although there's good prelim data affirming that pets reduce depression and blood pressure. Debbi who was again wearing a one-of-a-kind Lihleete Chapeau this morning (cats find humans more attractive in cold weather, for some peculiar reason...) Twice in the past week I have awakened in the middle of the night to find that somehow the electric blanket and the other heavy blanket had gotten bunched up at the side and Midnight was lying on them, leaving my feet under only a corner of the top spread. --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton (Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. Doug wrote: Hmmm, having children can be extremely stressfull, but I can hardly express the pride and satisfaction I feel having become a grandfather last year. I don't think I'd trade it for anything. Somewhere I've heard that the biological drive to procreate can only be completely satisfied by grandchildren. :-) I have quite a few years to wait before first-hand experience. As for those researchers, the fact that they seem to overlook is that having children significantly changes most of your priorities. The change can be and often is stressful, but the rewards really are unlike anything else. For me, however, it rarely gets to that level of analysis; I simply do the things I need to do (now that my priorities are rewritten) and enjoy the fun moments as they come along. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. This just in: living only for yourself is less stressful than taking responsibility for the mental, physical and moral development of another human being. And now sports... Jim Duh Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16 Jan 2006, at 8:13 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. This just in: living only for yourself is less stressful than taking responsibility for the mental, physical and moral development of another human being. So why would anyone want to do that then? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Mac OS X is a rock-solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. - Bill Joy. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16 Jan 2006, at 6:54 pm, Matt Grimaldi wrote: William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. Doug wrote: Hmmm, having children can be extremely stressfull, but I can hardly express the pride and satisfaction I feel having become a grandfather last year. I don't think I'd trade it for anything. Somewhere I've heard that the biological drive to procreate can only be completely satisfied by grandchildren. :-) I have quite a few years to wait before first-hand experience. As for those researchers, the fact that they seem to overlook is that having children significantly changes most of your priorities. What if one doesn't want to have one's priorities changed? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again. -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Biology. Desire to pass genes on to a new generation. Love kids... As a new daddy (my kid was born on 1.6.06) it's a pretty great feeling... Damon. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:35:45 To:Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health' On 16 Jan 2006, at 8:13 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. This just in: living only for yourself is less stressful than taking responsibility for the mental, physical and moral development of another human being. So why would anyone want to do that then? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Mac OS X is a rock-solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. - Bill Joy. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l . ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: This just in: living only for yourself is less stressful than taking responsibility for the mental, physical and moral development of another human being. So why would anyone want to do that then? I dunno. Here's some possibilities, though: Because there's more to life than a low stress level? Because you did a favorable cost-benefit analysis? Because you don't know how to properly apply a condom? Because if no one did it, we'd be extinct in about a hundred years, give or take a decade or so? :) Heck, I figure if someone knows himself well enough to realize he'd make a lousy parent or that when push comes to shove he just can't be arsed putting his energy into child-rearing, that saves society a great deal of time and money. For the rest of us, I suppose we just suck it up and deal. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- On Fri 01/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:39:52 + GMT Subject: Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health' Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.brbr-Original Damon's new dad responsibilities have clearly kept him from updating the date on his Blackberry. Either that or he bought a new TARDIS. :) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 03:37 PM Monday 1/16/2006, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Jan 2006, at 6:54 pm, Matt Grimaldi wrote: William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. Doug wrote: Hmmm, having children can be extremely stressfull, but I can hardly express the pride and satisfaction I feel having become a grandfather last year. I don't think I'd trade it for anything. Somewhere I've heard that the biological drive to procreate can only be completely satisfied by grandchildren. :-) I have quite a few years to wait before first-hand experience. As for those researchers, the fact that they seem to overlook is that having children significantly changes most of your priorities. What if one doesn't want to have one's priorities changed? Then keep one's zipper closed. --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton (Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. Doug wrote: Hmmm, having children can be extremely stressfull, but I can hardly express the pride and satisfaction I feel having become a grandfather last year. I don't think I'd trade it for anything. On 16 Jan 2006, at 6:54 pm, Matt Grimaldi wrote: Somewhere I've heard that the biological drive to procreate can only be completely satisfied by grandchildren. :-) I have quite a few years to wait before first-hand experience. As for those researchers, the fact that they seem to overlook is that having children significantly changes most of your priorities. William T Goodall wrote: ] What if one doesn't want to have one's priorities changed? Hey, I'm not recruiting members for the Parent Club, I'm just saying that it's not as bad as they make it sound. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Congratuations! -- Matt - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 13:39:52 Subject: Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health' Biology. Desire to pass genes on to a new generation. Love kids... As a new daddy (my kid was born on 1.6.06) it's a pretty great feeling... Damon. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:35:45 To:Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health' On 16 Jan 2006, at 8:13 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. This just in: living only for yourself is less stressful than taking responsibility for the mental, physical and moral development of another human being. So why would anyone want to do that then? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Mac OS X is a rock-solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. - Bill Joy. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l . ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
Hmmm... As much as I'd like an extra-dimensional time machine in my living room, I don't have one of those. Just checked my settings, the date is fine so I dunno... Damon. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:50:36 To:brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health' --- On Fri 01/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:39:52 + GMT Subject: Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health' Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.brbr-Original Damon's new dad responsibilities have clearly kept him from updating the date on his Blackberry. Either that or he bought a new TARDIS. :) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l . ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
On 16 Jan 2006, at 9:47 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: This just in: living only for yourself is less stressful than taking responsibility for the mental, physical and moral development of another human being. So why would anyone want to do that then? I dunno. Here's some possibilities, though: Because there's more to life than a low stress level? Not much. Because you did a favorable cost-benefit analysis? Enormous costs and intangible benefits that sound like members of a cult :) Because you don't know how to properly apply a condom? Because if no one did it, we'd be extinct in about a hundred years, give or take a decade or so? :) I won't be around then anyway? Heck, I figure if someone knows himself well enough to realize he'd make a lousy parent or that when push comes to shove he just can't be arsed putting his energy into child-rearing, that saves society a great deal of time and money. For the rest of us, I suppose we just suck it up and deal. Why? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
On 16 Jan 2006, at 10:58 pm, Matt Grimaldi wrote: William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. Doug wrote: Hmmm, having children can be extremely stressfull, but I can hardly express the pride and satisfaction I feel having become a grandfather last year. I don't think I'd trade it for anything. On 16 Jan 2006, at 6:54 pm, Matt Grimaldi wrote: Somewhere I've heard that the biological drive to procreate can only be completely satisfied by grandchildren. :-) I have quite a few years to wait before first-hand experience. As for those researchers, the fact that they seem to overlook is that having children significantly changes most of your priorities. William T Goodall wrote: ] What if one doesn't want to have one's priorities changed? Hey, I'm not recruiting members for the Parent Club, I'm just saying that it's not as bad as they make it sound. With endorsements like that who needs naysayers? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Misuse of IMPs leads to strange, difficult-to-diagnose bugs. - Anguish et al. Cocoa Programming ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
William T Goodall wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: Because there's more to life than a low stress level? Not much. Tell that to every Type A personality out there. Because you did a favorable cost-benefit analysis? Enormous costs and intangible benefits that sound like members of a cult :) Costs not that enormous, benefits quite tangible. YMMV. Because if no one did it, we'd be extinct in about a hundred years, give or take a decade or so? :) I won't be around then anyway? Then why even bother getting up in the morning? Why make long term plans of any kind? Hell, none of us are going to be around; time to stop conserving energy, recycling, investing in research of any kind or doing anything at all that might not do me any immediate good! Woo-hoo *cranks the thermostat up to 25 C* For the rest of us, I suppose we just suck it up and deal. Why? 'Cause we like the job. Go fig. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
William T Goodall wrote: This just in: living only for yourself is less stressful than taking responsibility for the mental, physical and moral development of another human being. So why would anyone want to do that then? I dunno. Here's some possibilities, though: Because there's more to life than a low stress level? Not much. Depends on how good you are at tolerating boredom. :) Some of the most interesting jobs and occupations are not good for one's stress levels. But they are fun, and they are fulfilling. Now you may enjoy being bored out of your brains as long as your stress levels are low, me, I enjoy challenges and can handle stress. To each his/her own. :) Because you did a favorable cost-benefit analysis? Enormous costs and intangible benefits that sound like members of a cult :) Hee! So is this your new Cause then? Heck, I figure if someone knows himself well enough to realize he'd make a lousy parent or that when push comes to shove he just can't be arsed putting his energy into child-rearing, that saves society a great deal of time and money. For the rest of us, I suppose we just suck it up and deal. Why? Because the little monsters have a great deal of appeal. They are soft and cuddly when they are born; they are good for the ego [for a few years] because they think you hung the sun, and the moon, and the stars; their questions challenge your assumptions when they are older; they are great companions; and above all, they are wonderful teachers. And then there are the squishy emotional reasons but I am not good enough with words to try and articulate them. Ritu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
William wrote: The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. Hmmm, having children can be extremely stressfull, but I can hardly express the pride and satisfaction I feel having become a grandfather last year. I don't think I'd trade it for anything. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Having children 'is bad for your mental health'
William T Goodall wrote: If you thought that the joys of watching your young ones grow up was one of life's simple pleasures, think again. Parenthood is actually bad for your mental health, according to the latest research. Questions included how often you felt lonely, you felt depressed, you felt fearful, and you had trouble keeping your mind on what you were doing. snip Parenthood brings rewards, but the worries associated with being entirely responsible for another human being appear to outweigh the benefits and do not seem to lessen as children grow older. The study's findings will make happy reading for couples who have decided to enjoy the freedom and lack of responsibility associated with not having children. I think that the increase in likelihood of symptoms of depression is quite different to bad for mental health. I would suggest that children simply increases the fluctuations between highs and lows - the good times and the bad times. The fact that there are new lows ignores the new highs that child raising brings... Cheers Russell C. --- This email (including any attachments) is confidential and copyright. The School makes no warranty about the content of this email. Unless expressly stated, this email does not bind the School and does not necessarily constitute the opinion of the School. If you have received this email in error, please delete it and notify the sender. --- GWAVAsig ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
