Re: World Trade

2008-08-25 Thread John Garcia
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 24 Aug 2008, at 21:19, Dan M wrote: If the land produces enough food for the people in a country to live on, then the problem of actual starvation goes down. Zimbabwe is a good example of this: it was a

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread John Garcia
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 8:54 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 24 Aug 2008, at 22:42, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: David Brin wrote: But of course I am distracted by the elections, hoping we'll at last save America and civilization from a criminal gang.

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread William T Goodall
On 25 Aug 2008, at 14:25, John Garcia wrote: McCain doesn't know how to use a computer. So? What does that have to do with being President? It means he's completely out of touch with reality. My choice for President depends on which candidate I think will address all the issues

Re: World Trade

2008-08-25 Thread William T Goodall
On 25 Aug 2008, at 14:18, John Garcia wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should the white farmers who were born in Zimbabwe from several generations of people born in Zimbabwe have their property and livelihoods confiscated either

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Olin Elliott
My choice for President depends on which candidate I think will address all the issues facing the USA consistent with my values, not whether or not he has a cool Facebook page. Its not whether or not he has a cool Facebbook page -- its whether he can understand the massive changes in

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Olin Elliott wrote: My choice for President depends on which candidate I think will address all the issues facing the USA consistent with my values, not whether or not he has a cool Facebook page. Its not whether or not he has a cool Facebbook page -- its whether he

Re: World Trade

2008-08-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:56 AM Monday 8/25/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 25 Aug 2008, at 14:18, John Garcia wrote: It's clear to me that whatever else is going on, those currently on top are determined to exact some payback from those who once ran that country. And that's never worked well either.

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:25 AM Monday 8/25/2008, John Garcia wrote: McCain doesn't know how to use a computer. So? What does that have to do with being President? I dunno. I kept looking without success for the scene in one of Harry Turtledove's alternate history books which matched the cover illustration

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread David Brin
I agree with John. Both sides offer up trivia to foster visceral dislike of the other guy, having nothing to do with how they'd govern. I am especially uninterested in passing slips of the tongue. BFD. McCain would re-appoint most of the scoundrels who have robbed us blind. That's kinda

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread John Garcia
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Olin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My choice for President depends on which candidate I think will address all the issues facing the USA consistent with my values, not whether or not he has a cool Facebook page. Its not whether or not he has a cool

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread David Brin
See: February '77 National Lampoon --Grand Fifth Term Inaugural Issue: JFK's First 6,000 Days which featured a silver-haired JFK on the cover. The whole issue was a big what if... about how things might have turned out had the assassin's bullet missed JFK and hit Jackie instead. A very good

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Chris Frandsen
John, if you look to at what Jimmy Carter tried to tell us before his last failed election run against Reagan and compare it to where we are today you might reconsider his position in history. A friend Andrew Bacevich addresses some of this in his new book, The Limits of Power.(shameless

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Lance A. Brown
John Garcia wrote: McCain doesn't know how to use a computer. So? What does that have to do with being President? My choice for President depends on which candidate I think will address all the issues facing the USA consistent with my values, not whether or not he has a cool Facebook page.

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Lance A. Brown
Chris Frandsen wrote: I totally agree with Olin's comments. I am not sure how Obama will support the scientific community other than getting out of the business of trying to make scientific reports match political agendas. I suspect his economic social and foreign policy initiatives to

You're Invited!

2008-08-25 Thread Dana Frandsen
Dana Frandsen has sent you an invitation to 'Onion Creek Watch Party' -- click here to view the invitation and submit your response: http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/gpl8hp --- Any Killer B's in Austin area are welcome to attend! This campaign does understand technology by the

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Nick Arnett
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Someone who doesn't know enough about computers to be able to open his own email (if he wants to) *cannot* have the proper understanding of technology in today's world to be competent as POTUS. Technology as an agent

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread John Garcia
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Chris Frandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, if you look to at what Jimmy Carter tried to tell us before his last failed election run against Reagan and compare it to where we are today you might reconsider his position in history. A friend Andrew Bacevich

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Olin Elliott
I am not sure how Obama will support the scientific community other than getting out of the business of trying to make scientific reports match political agendas. I suspect his economic social and foreign policy initiatives to get us back on track will force science budgets to the back

McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread John Garcia
While I wait for a vendor to call me, I thought I'd post some McCain campaign stuff about science and the internet, taken from his website. What do you all think? *John McCain Would Place A Priority On Science And Technology Experience.*As President, John McCain will be committed to bringing

Re: McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread Olin Elliott
On the face of it, none of this sounds horrendous. As with any promise, the real deal is whether or not he can or will deliver. YMMV. It's all just a matter of trust. Exactly. And even if I did trust John McCain personally (which I don't), I wouldn't trust the Republican machinery that comes

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
David Brin wrote: February '77 National Lampoon --Grand Fifth Term Inaugural Issue: JFK's First 6,000 Days which featured a silver-haired JFK on the cover. The whole issue was a big what if... about how things might have turned out had the assassin's bullet missed JFK and hit Jackie

Jerry Brown

2008-08-25 Thread Jon Louis Mann
...if you look to at what Jimmy Carter tried to tell us before his last failed election run against Reagan and compare it to where we are today you might reconsider his position in history... I am not sure how Obama will support the scientific community other than getting out of

Accountability

2008-08-25 Thread Jon Louis Mann
No, but it seems to be typical behavior in politics that whenever the current outs get into power one of their first priorities is to punish the former ins who are now the new outs. (Regardless of which country (state, county, city . . . ) we are talking about or what the various

Re: McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread John Garcia
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Olin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the face of it, none of this sounds horrendous. As with any promise, the real deal is whether or not he can or will deliver. YMMV. It's all just a matter of trust. Exactly. And even if I did trust John McCain

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread John Garcia
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: David Brin wrote: February '77 National Lampoon --Grand Fifth Term Inaugural Issue: JFK's First 6,000 Days which featured a silver-haired JFK on the cover. The whole issue was a big what if... about how things

Re: World Trade

2008-08-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
William wrote: Why should the white farmers who were born in Zimbabwe from several generations of people born in Zimbabwe have their property and livelihoods confiscated either directly or through taxation just because they are white? That's racism isn't it? Sure, and it was Racism when,

Re: McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread John Williams
Olin wrote: And even if I did trust John McCain personally (which I don't), I wouldn't trust the Republican machinery that comes with him. I don't trust McCain, I don't trust Republican machinery, I don't trust Obama, and I don't trust Democrat's machinery. I do not trust politicians. Do

Re: McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: I am generally in favor of politicians who demonstrate a record of less government spending and smaller government. You mean like Clinton? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

balanced budget

2008-08-25 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I am generally in favor of politicians who demonstrate a record of less government spending and smaller government. You mean like Clinton? Doug Yes, and definitely NOT like Boosh!~) Jon ___

McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Olin wrote: One thing that I have not seen mentioned yet about the candidates is that McCain has a dramatically better voting record on free trade (one of few points of near universal agreement among economists is that subsidies and trade barriers are harmful): are you suggesting that free

RE: You're Invited!

2008-08-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Google maps isn't up-to-date on SH 130 -- is there a good way to get over to that neighborhood from SH-130? (I flatly refuse to take I-35 that far south on a weekday evening, Slaughter Lane is about my limit on a weekend during the day.) Julia who gets on SH-130 *north* of the

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Chris Frandsen
Thanks for the link, John. Chris I do remember Jimmy Carter, even voted for him in 1976 and 1980. Also watched what Andrew Bacevich had to say on Bill Moyers (Brian Lehrer on WNYC also interviewed him. You can download it here: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/2008/08/20) Carter

Re: McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread John Williams
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] You mean like Clinton? I was not old enough to vote for Clinton, but retroactively, yes, I would vote for him :-) http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=1970_2010view=1expand=units=pfy=fy09chart=F0-fedstack=1title= Are you

Re: McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread John Williams
From: Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] are you suggesting that free trade is fair trade? I was writing about economics, not morality. But since you asked. I do not think it is fair for someone to take my money and give it to agricultural corporations. I do not think it is fair for someone

Conference Made for David

2008-08-25 Thread Chris Frandsen
David, Looks like you missed a great vacation trip here. http://www.kurzweilai.net/email/newsRedirect.html?newsID=9269m=22309 Have a great day! Chris Frandsen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread Olin Elliott
Actually, I didn't write that. I'm not sure who did. Free/fair trade, though important, I grant, is not usually an issue I get worked up about. Not sure who wrote the paragraph you qutoed, Olin - Original Message - From: Jon Louis Mannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread John Garcia
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Chris Frandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the link, John. Chris I do remember Jimmy Carter, even voted for him in 1976 and 1980. Also watched what Andrew Bacevich had to say on Bill Moyers (Brian Lehrer on WNYC also interviewed him.

Re: McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread Olin Elliott
I don't trust McCain, I don't trust Republican machinery, I don't trust Obama, and I don't trust Democrat's machinery. I do not trust politicians. Do you? Yes, I do trust some politicians -- and more to the point I trust some more than others. The cynical position that all politicians are

Re: Conference Made for David

2008-08-25 Thread Olin Elliott
Hi, Chris, Glad you mentioned that conference, and specifically the Kurzweil link, because I've been meaning to ask people what they think of him. I'm reading one of his older books The Age of Spiritual Machines (you've just got to love that title), and while I find myself very interested in

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread David Brin
announcing a new posting on my blog at: http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread Max Battcher
Alberto Monteiro wrote: In Heinlein's The Number of the Beast, the succession of USA presidents in Timeline 2 is Woodrow Wilson, Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, ..., Neemiah Scudder Interregnum. I guess that

Re: McCain Positions

2008-08-25 Thread Max Battcher
John Garcia wrote: While I wait for a vendor to call me, I thought I'd post some McCain campaign stuff about science and the internet, taken from his website. What do you all think? *John McCain Would Place A Priority On Science And Technology Experience.*As President, John McCain will be