Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act
David, There is NO reason to be a smart a_ _ about this subject or what other people think. You obviously have all of YOUR answers, let the rest of us get ours without the snide commentsplease. Oh, and the "expert" you mentioned just happens to really be one! If the legislation affects you then do what you think is best, if not then why throw gas on the fire ? No one thinks disaster is imminent, they are just trying to improve the situation for a majority of Hams. If it passes it might improve, if it doesn't it won't get worse ! I think what everyone wants is the best piece of legislation that we can get to the benefit of all Hams, present and future and many think that as it stands now there is too much compromise in the current bill. W Paul Noll KG5MHD Love your pets, they want and deserve it !!! > On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Scott Royall via BVARC wrote: > > Another voice of reason. > > Yes, I live in a HOA-governed subdivision, and I’ll share a secret. The size > of my lot, the scarcity of volunteer help, and my budget do far more to limit > my “antenna farm” than any deed restriction. I’ve been to enough HOA meetings > to know it can take two years to make a homeowner repay the HOA for mowing > his yard! Your mileage may vary if you live in a plosh neighborhood where the > HOA has virtually unlimited funds for hiring brigades of attack lawyers. But > no, I think hams have simply become far too weak-kneed. > > My HOA has never said a word to me about my antennas. > > > > From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of David S.Siegel via > BVARC > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 15:52 > To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB > Cc: David S.Siegel > Subject: Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act > > Actually, I have, and while I have seen a ton of hyperventilating, I would > like a succinct answer to how or why the proposed bill would make things > WORSE? Are you getting what you what from your HOA now? Does the bill make > that situation better or worse? > > I saw where someone attached a treatise from an “expert” in deed > restrictions. I read down to where it said that under the bill an HOA “may” > determine that a 440 whip is all a ham would ever need. I stopped reading at > that point because an argument based on conjecture, which itself seemed to be > based on anticipating the worst, didn’t seem like much of an argument. > > I will be the first to admit that I have NOT closely followed all of this. I > live in a house where I can put up what I want. So I am perfectly happy for > someone to point out to me that I don’t have a clue what I am talking about. > I have no shame. That’s why I sent the email to the whole group! You may > point out in embarrassing detail just how I have gotten it wrong. I just > haven’t picked up on that by haphazardly reading through these messages, > which have a very distinct Chicken Little aura about them. > > From my cursory read of all this traffic, I get the sense that there are > people who think disaster is imminent, that ham radio is just about to be > dead, and, the kicker, the ARRL is behind it all!! I just find that a tad > difficult to buy….but again….I am sure I don’t know what I am talking about…. > > > > > DAVID S. SIEGEL > AJAMIE LLP > 711 Louisiana Street, Suite 2150 | Houston TX 77002 > T +1.713.860.1600 | F+ 1.713.860.1699 > dsie...@ajamie.com > > website | blog | linkedin > > CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT > This message is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is > privileged or confidential. If you received this transmission in error, > please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any > attachments. > > From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of Paul Noll via BVARC > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:41 PM > To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB > Cc: Paul Noll > Subject: Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act > > Has no one been reading the posts on this ? > > On Aug 10, 2017 15:38, "David S.Siegel via BVARC" wrote: > Please explain how this new law would worsen the current situation? > > WD5BZN. > > DAVID S. SIEGEL > AJAMIE LLP > 711 Louisiana Street, Suite 2150 | Houston TX 77002 > T +1.713.860.1600 | F+ 1.713.860.1699 > dsie...@ajamie.com > > website | blog | linkedin > > CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT > This message is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is > privileged or confidential. If you received this transmission in error, > please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any > attachments. > > From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...
Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act
Another voice of reason. Yes, I live in a HOA-governed subdivision, and I’ll share a secret. The size of my lot, the scarcity of volunteer help, and my budget do far more to limit my “antenna farm” than any deed restriction. I’ve been to enough HOA meetings to know it can take two years to make a homeowner repay the HOA for mowing his yard! Your mileage may vary if you live in a plosh neighborhood where the HOA has virtually unlimited funds for hiring brigades of attack lawyers. But no, I think hams have simply become far too weak-kneed. My HOA has never said a word to me about my antennas. From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of David S.Siegel via BVARC Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 15:52 To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB Cc: David S.Siegel Subject: Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act Actually, I have, and while I have seen a ton of hyperventilating, I would like a succinct answer to how or why the proposed bill would make things WORSE? Are you getting what you what from your HOA now? Does the bill make that situation better or worse? I saw where someone attached a treatise from an “expert” in deed restrictions. I read down to where it said that under the bill an HOA “may” determine that a 440 whip is all a ham would ever need. I stopped reading at that point because an argument based on conjecture, which itself seemed to be based on anticipating the worst, didn’t seem like much of an argument. I will be the first to admit that I have NOT closely followed all of this. I live in a house where I can put up what I want. So I am perfectly happy for someone to point out to me that I don’t have a clue what I am talking about. I have no shame. That’s why I sent the email to the whole group! You may point out in embarrassing detail just how I have gotten it wrong. I just haven’t picked up on that by haphazardly reading through these messages, which have a very distinct Chicken Little aura about them. >From my cursory read of all this traffic, I get the sense that there are >people who think disaster is imminent, that ham radio is just about to be >dead, and, the kicker, the ARRL is behind it all!! I just find that a tad >difficult to buy….but again….I am sure I don’t know what I am talking about…. DAVID S. SIEGEL AJAMIE LLP 711 Louisiana Street, Suite 2150 | Houston TX 77002 T +1.713.860.1600 | F+ 1.713.860.1699 <mailto:dsie...@ajamie.com> dsie...@ajamie.com <http://ajamie.com/> website | <http://ajamie.com/hot-issues/> blog | <https://www.linkedin.com/company/ajamie-llp> linkedin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This message is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of Paul Noll via BVARC Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:41 PM To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB Cc: Paul Noll Subject: Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act Has no one been reading the posts on this ? On Aug 10, 2017 15:38, "David S.Siegel via BVARC" mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> > wrote: Please explain how this new law would worsen the current situation? WD5BZN. DAVID S. SIEGEL AJAMIE LLP 711 Louisiana Street, Suite 2150 | Houston TX 77002 T +1.713.860.1600 | F+ 1.713.860.1699 <mailto:dsie...@ajamie.com> dsie...@ajamie.com <http://ajamie.com/> website | <http://ajamie.com/hot-issues/> blog | <https://www.linkedin.com/company/ajamie-llp> linkedin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This message is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org <mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> ] On Behalf Of Paul Noll via BVARC Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:24 PM To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB Cc: Paul Noll Subject: Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act Glad you are happy where you are at, but saying those that want a fair change to the law and some relief from HOA nonsense are "running to daddy" is just wrong ! Please don't degrade those of us who want fair change to an over reaching institution like HOA's. Remember, Hams do provide a public service. On Aug 10, 2017 14:45, "Glenn Anderson via BVARC" mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> > wrote: Finally someone with some common sense Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act >>"FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. All of those US hams decided on their
Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act
Actually, I have, and while I have seen a ton of hyperventilating, I would like a succinct answer to how or why the proposed bill would make things WORSE? Are you getting what you what from your HOA now? Does the bill make that situation better or worse? I saw where someone attached a treatise from an “expert” in deed restrictions. I read down to where it said that under the bill an HOA “may” determine that a 440 whip is all a ham would ever need. I stopped reading at that point because an argument based on conjecture, which itself seemed to be based on anticipating the worst, didn’t seem like much of an argument. I will be the first to admit that I have NOT closely followed all of this. I live in a house where I can put up what I want. So I am perfectly happy for someone to point out to me that I don’t have a clue what I am talking about. I have no shame. That’s why I sent the email to the whole group! You may point out in embarrassing detail just how I have gotten it wrong. I just haven’t picked up on that by haphazardly reading through these messages, which have a very distinct Chicken Little aura about them. From my cursory read of all this traffic, I get the sense that there are people who think disaster is imminent, that ham radio is just about to be dead, and, the kicker, the ARRL is behind it all!! I just find that a tad difficult to buy….but again….I am sure I don’t know what I am talking about…. DAVID S. SIEGEL AJAMIE LLP 711 Louisiana Street, Suite 2150 | Houston TX 77002 T +1.713.860.1600 | F+ 1.713.860.1699 dsie...@ajamie.com<mailto:dsie...@ajamie.com> [cid:image003.jpg@01D311EF.A683FC80] website<http://ajamie.com/> | blog<http://ajamie.com/hot-issues/> | linkedin<https://www.linkedin.com/company/ajamie-llp> CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This message is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of Paul Noll via BVARC Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:41 PM To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB Cc: Paul Noll Subject: Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act Has no one been reading the posts on this ? On Aug 10, 2017 15:38, "David S.Siegel via BVARC" mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote: Please explain how this new law would worsen the current situation? WD5BZN. DAVID S. SIEGEL AJAMIE LLP 711 Louisiana Street, Suite 2150 | Houston TX 77002 T +1.713.860.1600 | F+ 1.713.860.1699 dsie...@ajamie.com<mailto:dsie...@ajamie.com> [cid:image004.jpg@01D311EF.A683FC80]website<http://ajamie.com/> | blog<http://ajamie.com/hot-issues/> | linkedin<https://www.linkedin.com/company/ajamie-llp> CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This message is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org>] On Behalf Of Paul Noll via BVARC Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:24 PM To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB Cc: Paul Noll Subject: Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act Glad you are happy where you are at, but saying those that want a fair change to the law and some relief from HOA nonsense are "running to daddy" is just wrong ! Please don't degrade those of us who want fair change to an over reaching institution like HOA's. Remember, Hams do provide a public service. On Aug 10, 2017 14:45, "Glenn Anderson via BVARC" mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote: Finally someone with some common sense Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act >>"FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm willing to 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to follow the rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is VITAL that I be allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate reaction from my POV. If it is that vital don't purchase in such an area. Sometimes that can be difficult, but sometimes life is difficult. Mark AD5SS ___ BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org<mailto:BVARC@bvarc.org> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Message delivered to pbn...@gmail.com<mailto:pbn...@gmail.com> ___ BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org<mailto:BVARC@bvarc.org> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_
Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act
I like the idea, but that's no where near as fun as bucking the system. HOAs have to much power and need to be leashed to put it mildly. My HOA neglects its responsibilities and over plays the legal system when it's convient. My antenna restrictions are better than most, so I am rooting for it not to pass. As a whole I am against giving any HOA more authority to abuse. But, it my 2nd least favorite Hamish topic. Have Fun, Jef KG5LRP On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Glenn Anderson via BVARC wrote: > Finally someone with some common sense > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act > > >>"FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted > housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. > > All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the > restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm willing to > 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to follow the > rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is VITAL that I be > allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate reaction from my POV. If > it is that vital don't purchase in such an area. Sometimes that can be > difficult, but sometimes life is difficult. > > Mark AD5SS > > > > > > > > ___ > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Message delivered to twi...@gmail.com > ___ BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act
Has no one been reading the posts on this ? On Aug 10, 2017 15:38, "David S.Siegel via BVARC" wrote: > Please explain how this new law would worsen the current situation? > > > > WD5BZN. > > > > *DAVID S. SIEGEL* > > *AJAMIE LLP* > 711 Louisiana Street, Suite 2150 | Houston TX 77002 > T +1.713.860.1600 <(713)%20860-1600> | F+ 1.713.860.1699 > <(713)%20860-1699> > dsie...@ajamie.com > > > > website <http://ajamie.com/> | blog <http://ajamie.com/hot-issues/> | > linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/company/ajamie-llp> > > > > *CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT* > > This message is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is > privileged or confidential. If you received this transmission in error, > please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any > attachments. > > > > *From:* BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] *On Behalf Of *Paul Noll > via BVARC > *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:24 PM > *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB > *Cc:* Paul Noll > *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act > > > > Glad you are happy where you are at, but saying those that want a fair > change to the law and some relief from HOA nonsense are "running to daddy" > is just wrong ! Please don't degrade those of us who want fair change to an > over reaching institution like HOA's. Remember, Hams do provide a public > service. > > > > On Aug 10, 2017 14:45, "Glenn Anderson via BVARC" wrote: > > Finally someone with some common sense > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act > > >>"FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted > housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. > > All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the > restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm willing to > 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to follow the > rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is VITAL that I be > allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate reaction from my POV. If > it is that vital don't purchase in such an area. Sometimes that can be > difficult, but sometimes life is difficult. > > Mark AD5SS > > > > > > > > ___ > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Message delivered to pbn...@gmail.com > > ___ > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Message delivered to pbn...@gmail.com > > ___ BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act
Please explain how this new law would worsen the current situation? WD5BZN. DAVID S. SIEGEL AJAMIE LLP 711 Louisiana Street, Suite 2150 | Houston TX 77002 T +1.713.860.1600 | F+ 1.713.860.1699 dsie...@ajamie.com<mailto:dsie...@ajamie.com> [cid:image002.jpg@01D311EE.226C7C20] website<http://ajamie.com/> | blog<http://ajamie.com/hot-issues/> | linkedin<https://www.linkedin.com/company/ajamie-llp> CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This message is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of Paul Noll via BVARC Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:24 PM To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB Cc: Paul Noll Subject: Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act Glad you are happy where you are at, but saying those that want a fair change to the law and some relief from HOA nonsense are "running to daddy" is just wrong ! Please don't degrade those of us who want fair change to an over reaching institution like HOA's. Remember, Hams do provide a public service. On Aug 10, 2017 14:45, "Glenn Anderson via BVARC" mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote: Finally someone with some common sense Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act >>"FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm willing to 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to follow the rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is VITAL that I be allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate reaction from my POV. If it is that vital don't purchase in such an area. Sometimes that can be difficult, but sometimes life is difficult. Mark AD5SS ___ BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org<mailto:BVARC@bvarc.org> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Message delivered to pbn...@gmail.com<mailto:pbn...@gmail.com> oledata.mso Description: oledata.mso ___ BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act
Glad you are happy where you are at, but saying those that want a fair change to the law and some relief from HOA nonsense are "running to daddy" is just wrong ! Please don't degrade those of us who want fair change to an over reaching institution like HOA's. Remember, Hams do provide a public service. On Aug 10, 2017 14:45, "Glenn Anderson via BVARC" wrote: > Finally someone with some common sense > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act > > >>"FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted > housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. > > All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the > restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm willing to > 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to follow the > rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is VITAL that I be > allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate reaction from my POV. If > it is that vital don't purchase in such an area. Sometimes that can be > difficult, but sometimes life is difficult. > > Mark AD5SS > > > > > > > > ___ > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Message delivered to pbn...@gmail.com > ___ BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[BVARC] FW: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act
Finally someone with some common sense Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act >>"FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm willing to 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to follow the rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is VITAL that I be allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate reaction from my POV. If it is that vital don't purchase in such an area. Sometimes that can be difficult, but sometimes life is difficult. Mark AD5SS ___ BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
