Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-26 Thread b logica
Well, I'm glad my post elicited a bit more discussion (and avoided touching off a flamewar). That was the sole purpose. Maybe "sales pitch" was the wrong terminology to use, though. I think some of you have taken that too literally. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You receiv

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-25 Thread nate
On Jan 24, 9:42 pm, "b logica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 4:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP. > > However, I'm failing to see any so

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-25 Thread jonknee
VC framework in the past. On Jan 24, 4:36 pm, "Doug @ Straw Dogs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP. > However, I'm failing to see any solid business benifit in using it > that can help me sell i

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-25 Thread powtac
Cake or any other MVC php framework is the state-of-the-art way of php/ web programming. This is could be a margeting argument. Show your boss the 15 minute setting up a blog on a ready mysql database. And ask him then for improvement he would like to see. Then just explain him how and where (con

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-25 Thread Baz
That's what I'm talking bout AD7six, you gotta show them. Even for me (as a developer) I've read all the Ruby on Rails hype, never really bought into it. A colleague of mine mentioned that he was going to start developing in RoR, to which my response was "Why?". Until I saw the screen cast (hey, t

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-25 Thread Chris Hartjes
On Jan 24, 2008 9:42 PM, b logica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Like it or not, CakePHP needs a bit of a sales pitch that management > can understand. > So CakePHP is supposed to provide marketing materials for people to convince their bosses to let them use it? I know we're getting close to fl

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-25 Thread AD7six
On Jan 25, 3:42 am, "b logica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 4:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP. > > However, I'm failing to se

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread b logica
On Jan 24, 2008 4:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP. > However, I'm failing to see any solid business benifit in using it > that can help me sell it to the directors. > I'

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread AJ
In a company like that I would try to convince them of the increased development speed. Show them the stuff with the form helpers, and the save() method on objects and stuff like that. Try to make them realise that CakePHP will drasticly reduce development time, but in the mean time to still charg

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread longint
I'm new to Cake so I can't defend it at the moment (although in the near future I probably will). But your company sounds like the suck. Royally. In closing, OOP is definitely not just a buzzword -- it's a way of life for most programmers. It's a standard way to develop applications and more i

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread MonkeyGirl
While I agree that it's a scary place to work for that doesn't see the benefits of following standards and using frameworks, here's how I'd word it: using CakePHP lets you do make the same site in far less time (at least, it does once you're used to it, maybe for the third project onwards). It's k

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread Baz
>From my experience businesses fall into this category for a few reasons: They just came into management and have been doing the same thing for so long and have already built a rather large application and it would just take too much time and effort to redo things. This is understandable...You can

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread John David Anderson (_psychic_)
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs wrote: > > > "Best Practices" - We've not used best practices before and its > worked. So why change now? > "OO" - As above. Nothing more than a buzzword. Whats the point. > Yada yada yada. I'd have to agree with Chris at some level. Any place

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread John David Anderson (_psychic_)
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs wrote: > In answer (devils advocate) to the sites sales pitch: > "No Configuration" - Way too vague. == less maintenance cost (= less $ in the long run) > > "Extremely Simple" - One developer doesn't know how to use it. Time > is money and no m

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread Chris Hartjes
On Jan 24, 2008 4:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In answer (devils advocate) to the sites sales pitch: > "No Configuration" - Way too vague. > "Extremely Simple" - One developer doesn't know how to use it. Time > is money and no matter how simple it is, it will still requir

Re: Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread AD7six
On Jan 24, 10:36 pm, "Doug @ Straw Dogs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP. > However, I'm failing to see any solid business benifit in using it > that can help me sell it to the directors. > &g

Business Benifit?

2008-01-24 Thread Doug @ Straw Dogs
I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP. However, I'm failing to see any solid business benifit in using it that can help me sell it to the directors. The site states features - but not benifits and certainly not business benifits. Imagine there's a