Well, I'm glad my post elicited a bit more discussion (and avoided
touching off a flamewar). That was the sole purpose. Maybe "sales
pitch" was the wrong terminology to use, though. I think some of you
have taken that too literally.
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On Jan 24, 9:42 pm, "b logica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008 4:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP.
> > However, I'm failing to see any so
VC framework in the past.
On Jan 24, 4:36 pm, "Doug @ Straw Dogs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP.
> However, I'm failing to see any solid business benifit in using it
> that can help me sell i
Cake or any other MVC php framework is the state-of-the-art way of php/
web programming.
This is could be a margeting argument.
Show your boss the 15 minute setting up a blog on a ready mysql
database. And ask him then for improvement he would like to see. Then
just explain him how and where (con
That's what I'm talking bout AD7six, you gotta show them. Even for me (as a
developer) I've read all the Ruby on Rails hype, never really bought into
it. A colleague of mine mentioned that he was going to start developing in
RoR, to which my response was "Why?".
Until I saw the screen cast (hey, t
On Jan 24, 2008 9:42 PM, b logica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Like it or not, CakePHP needs a bit of a sales pitch that management
> can understand.
>
So CakePHP is supposed to provide marketing materials for people to
convince their bosses to let them use it? I know we're getting close
to fl
On Jan 25, 3:42 am, "b logica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008 4:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP.
> > However, I'm failing to se
On Jan 24, 2008 4:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP.
> However, I'm failing to see any solid business benifit in using it
> that can help me sell it to the directors.
>
I'
In a company like that I would try to convince them of the increased
development speed.
Show them the stuff with the form helpers, and the save() method on
objects and stuff like that.
Try to make them realise that CakePHP will drasticly reduce
development time, but in the mean time to still charg
I'm new to Cake so I can't defend it at the moment (although in the
near future I probably will). But your
company sounds like the suck. Royally.
In closing, OOP is definitely not just a buzzword -- it's a way of
life for most programmers. It's a standard way to
develop applications and more i
While I agree that it's a scary place to work for that doesn't see the
benefits of following standards and using frameworks, here's how I'd
word it: using CakePHP lets you do make the same site in far less time
(at least, it does once you're used to it, maybe for the third project
onwards). It's k
>From my experience businesses fall into this category for a few reasons:
They just came into management and have been doing the same thing for so
long and have already built a rather large application and it would just
take too much time and effort to redo things. This is understandable...You
can
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs wrote:
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> "Best Practices" - We've not used best practices before and its
> worked. So why change now?
> "OO" - As above. Nothing more than a buzzword. Whats the point.
> Yada yada yada.
I'd have to agree with Chris at some level. Any place
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs wrote:
> In answer (devils advocate) to the sites sales pitch:
> "No Configuration" - Way too vague.
== less maintenance cost (= less $ in the long run)
>
> "Extremely Simple" - One developer doesn't know how to use it. Time
> is money and no m
On Jan 24, 2008 4:36 PM, Doug @ Straw Dogs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In answer (devils advocate) to the sites sales pitch:
> "No Configuration" - Way too vague.
> "Extremely Simple" - One developer doesn't know how to use it. Time
> is money and no matter how simple it is, it will still requir
On Jan 24, 10:36 pm, "Doug @ Straw Dogs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP.
> However, I'm failing to see any solid business benifit in using it
> that can help me sell it to the directors.
>
&g
I'm a developer by heart and know I'd love to code in CakePHP.
However, I'm failing to see any solid business benifit in using it
that can help me sell it to the directors.
The site states features - but not benifits and certainly not business
benifits.
Imagine there's a
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